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Andreï Tarkovski / Andrei Tarkovsky Myers-Brigs type - MBTI, enneagram and personality type info

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I can't make a successful case for INFJ, not now at least, but at least I'll show you my doubts and all. ''(Si)For him, to purpose of film over other art forms, is to make feel the experience of time. Also, he's my favorite movie maker, so you win many points you won with me Butterfly. Correction: ENTP fapping to INFJ. What is the best option for the MBTI type of Andreï Tarkovski / Andrei Tarkovsky? What about enneagram and other personality types?. A poet is someone who can use a single image to send a universal message. ^^PS: I liked that highway scene in Solaris, thought was really cool and stuff. Just adding discipline and logic in a checklist is no argument. He liked to evoke feelings and was very important for him that each person had a different experience. '' Seems a pretty Fe way of understanding morality, where it means self-abnegation and serving others. voluntary service of others, taken on naturally as the only viable form. His attitude was basically, "this is exactly what I feel, I hope that you will be able to feel the same". His comments against self-absorbtion might mean he prefers to let the image talk for the artist, instead of the artist to talk himself. I don't know, evidently it happens. I think the kind of work Tarkovsky produced is more telling of an INFP than INFJ. Sadly there not much available about his personality exactly. To me art should be playful, human and warm - and I feel like Tarkovsky raises his nose on me whenever I try to watch his movies. Butterfly You're just a ISFP who wants everyone to be like you ISFP. Tarkovsky films breath new life and meaning into sensory stimuli like nothing else really. I am just sure he isn't INFJ. The questions and point being made in his movies are as profound and relevant to the history of philosophy or art as it gets for any filmmaker, I don't see what more would you want. Tarkovsky doesn't rhyme with stylish; I used the wrong word. :/ He is either very complex (which can be both INFJ and INFP) or totally pretentious (again both INFs can appear that way :p). I think both of them are most concerned with self expression regardless of how they choose to do so which I believe is an attribute of Fi. Are you people type him or your perception of his work. While he does say some things that seem INFJ, when he describes his actual creative process, there's no actual Ni and Fe, but Fi and Si. Take for example his movie Stalker. "I'm currently reading through his book Sculpting in Time. David Fincher said something virtually identical, and he's an INTJ - a Ni-dominant. Butterfly's defense of tertiary Ni rests partly on the "pretentiousness" and poetic, convergent surface beauty of Tarkovsky's work. Anyway changing vote to INFJ for now. But what I meant there is how key and important visuals are for XNFJs. It's been a while since I watched The Mirror though, and I might simply not be proficient enough in these kinds of old Russian movies to really understand everything they have to offer, which might be leading me to underestimate/misunderstand what they are about. Or maybe that was the cinematographer's accomplishment and Tarkovsky simply gave him free reign, but I suspect it was mostly Tarkovsky who knew what he wanted. He's also not pretentious at all, everything that he claims movies have to be, is what hid movies are. Instead, he talks on and on about the cinema's role of capturing ''life'' without imposed symbolism or allegory. I love Melancholia. To something quite simple it seems: be adaptable in the moment. Stalker, for example, is a long, visual, sensory journey where if I recall correctly his characters start speaking the same way as in that quote occasionally; things that don't really make sense but are beautiful. @Martian Maybe you feel in disadvantage, that's why you like to call other people pretentious. Other things he's said like "Let everything that's been planned come true. INTJ 5w4 with ISFP 5w6 also being acceptableTarkosvky believed in learning from personal experience, He also intentionally made the first 15 minutes of Stalker “ slow and dull” as He Said, to alienate certain people and his movie were based in mood and personal ethic, i think his type is clear but some people just don’t want to see it. Meanwhile, his movies, interviews or book -Sculpting in Time, don't show Ne almost at all, Ne is practically absent. in comparison to what. His book Sculpting in Time makes it clear that for him that movies can only be understood emotionally, and that the highest knowledge is not attained in words or theory, but ''present people an image of life and they'll understand it''. I have never been able to give an interesting answer. But ISFPs do use visual art and craft to elaborate their individuality. I also don't see why an ISFP would need to philosophize on those aspect in the first place, for them what art it means for them would feel very simple and instinctive and wouldn't need to philosophize it like that, like with Lynch philosopising doesn't go much beyond meditation, there aren't this connection made between art, knowledge, the inherit goodness or not of the human condition, the human psyche and religious meaning in Lynch like there are Tarkovsky. While INFP isn't a definite answer, given the scarcity of any personality related information and some use of generalisation INFP seems to be the best fit. " Sounds more Ni-Fe, don't you think. ''an entire world reflected as a drop of water'' might be one of the best descriptions of Ni there is. Btw: do you know an example of INFJ or INFP you could compare him to, and maybe to draw the right pararels. , it was classical Chinese ritual music. One of them (Lynch) is just about how his movies feel to him without any outside concerns: the other (Tarkovsky) see movies as a medium to deal with the moral conflicts inside the individual and society, and the yearning for a moral ideal. A man passes another man by, he looks at him but he cannot see him. Bob: I suspect Butterfly loves Refn. Fincher's (INFJ) dialogues are nothing seriously philosophical despite his movies being symbolic as a whole. Read Sculpting in Time. ''; ''In a word, the image is not a certain meaning, expressed by the. The present slips and vanishes like sand between the fingers, acquiring material weight, only in its recollection. "Art is a meta-language, with the help of which people try to communicate with one another; to impart information about themselves and assimilate the experience of others. You are in the best place to test MBTI and learn what type Andreï Tarkovski / Andrei Tarkovsky likely is!. This could be aux Fe, or could be enneagram 1, but one thing for sure, INFJ and INFP are the only types that fit. Like with STALKER, whether or not the apparent lack of practical of art purpose makes it the most un-egoistical of human endeavours, and thus the superior human pursuit. Fuck you, your fucking primitive sensorI'll just throw my hat in the ring and say that he was probably a very philosophically-minded, One-influenced INFP. But even if it were beautiful nonsense, the notion that N-type filmmakers would never sacrifice intellectual clarity for poetic beauty in a field in which the latter is more important than the former makes little sense. , which sounds Fe-like to me. director, but an entire world reflected as a drop of water. Interestingly, he esteems haiku (which for me seems one of the most ISFP things there are) and compares the cinematographic image with haiku. All that doesn't sound terribly INFJ to me, well neither INFP aswell but rather an ISFP genius. Discover Array, and more, famous people, fictional characters and celebrities here!. Keep reading to learn more about what goes into your Myers-Briggs personality type—and maybe discover what yours is.. '' For him, the 'image', that is the fundamental basis of his work, is something very convergent. Some consider this process boring. This quote seems most ISFPish: '' “My objective is to create my own world and these images which we create mean nothing more than the images which they are. 1) Philosophical dialogue isn't necessarily a requisite of being an N type. @Bonita I'm going to keep hearing Martian out so long as he makes good arguments and doesn't write people off on some arbitrary basis. There is no reason to make thing more explicit, because making it more explicit than that would just mean to explain stuff word for word. v=6oRTH659KBA "Knowledge distracts us from our main purpose in life. And again, for him the image, the structural piece of movie making, it's something very convergent. Not seen Melancholia, but as a initial impression, that shot looks good in a ''takes 1000 likes on Deviant Art'' kind of way. totally absorbed into God, Nature, Time; finding himself in. Honestly, the fact that someone finds meaning in the histrionic bullshit Refn says, but not in movies like Andrei Rublev or Stalker is just puzzling me. It is actually much simpler than that, otherwise art would have no meaning. I mean, you say he wrote an entire book called that. It's what makes the most sense, given his dislike for Fi-dom self-absorption and for symbolism, which can be interpreted as Te to-the-point-ness. To recount it would only be a waste of time. His coldness compared to Bergman yet Bergman loving him might be explained by Tarkovsky being INFJ and Bergman being ENFJ. Ah, if only one could represent that moment like a sort of sudden illumination. But yeah those last quotes seem unequivocally Fe-like. Compare to the Aesthete-Dreamer (Van Gogh) they come of ass somewhat colder and more spiritual. He seems very P in some ways. He's also way too anti-symbolism and anti-parable to be Ni-dom. Hi, I'm trying to develop my own personal system based on MBTI but not tied to the functions (except the dominant and the orientation of their main thinking/feeling functions). How unhappy I am. He wants to dissolve himself in his culture to reach the cosmos or something. Fascinating discussion, all, and I'm not officially entering it: just leaving this comment here.

. I think with given info INFP makes better sense. Surely that must mean something. Whatever type, I dislike the notion that he's pretentious, because it's quite obvious movies were very important to him, I think there are few directors for which the medium of movies is as important as for Tarkovsky. From interviews he shows that a heavy inclination towards abstraction (N) and emotional truth (F), also clear introversion. ISFP 5w6 is still on the table, but he simply doesn't act like an ISFP at all. Additionally, "sculpting in time" is not nonsense, it's a poetic way of describing filmmaking itself. It's usually pretty visuals and pretty words, but whatever depth you deride from it, about the human condition or whatever, is all in your head as far as I can tell. And then we have someone like Refn who's just about his fetishes: note that Refn and Lynch are much more alike that Tarkovsky is with either of them. ''In a certain sense the past is far more real, or at any rate more stable, more resilient than the present. )"We cannot impose our experience on other people or force them to feel suggested emotions. That is Ni art, as far as I know. Anyway, if he was INFP, he was a very auto-disciplined one. Don't you think his serious nature resembles SJ types more than SP types, and thus an effect of overtly developed Si. Reading through everything posted since last time, I'm starting to think INFJ. You have to be a child—incidentally children understand my pictures very well, and I haven’t met a serious critic who could stand knee-high to those children. He takes the basic premises from other philosophers whole, but with all its abstract talk about the ''absurd'', what he's trying to get at. An ISFP might have the determination but I think they would be too much of a contrarian and thus shoot themselves in the foot. I've had quite a few discussions with their admins. ^^My least favorite director of all time. For the record I had written the first comment before seeing the quotes you added. Honestly, the big bulk of Sculpting in Time does feel kinda of an ISFP for whom filming had a religious aspect to it. Also, it's very unlike for IFPs to be 451 imo, it seems more like a INFJ thing. It's not about what's there; it's about what's there in what's there. Pretentious are people like Refn or VonTrier, who try to act edgy all the time, but they never actually say anything of value on anything. it's become such an automatic reflex to assume that. T:What is central is the inner problem, which preoccupied me and which coloured the whole production in a very specific way: namely the fact that in the course of its development humanity is constantly struggling between spiritual, moral entropy, the dissipation of ethical principles, on the one hand, and on the other — the aspiration towards a moral ideal. I see it as very different kind of imagery from Tarkovski whom is always straying from the point. Stuff like 'symbolism' or 'allegory' are means for some Ni-doms to reach this, but I don't think 'symbolism' itself it's what's fundamentally Ni, but rather getting at the the simplest yet fundamental expressions of the world, whether they call it ''The Idea''; ''Tao''; ''Being'', all the theory and symbolism in more analytical INFJs is just a way to the direct one to some fundamental truth than can only be grasped ''through the eye of the soul''. Honestly, I was never sure of Tarkovsky as INFP, and probably never will. If he's Fi-dom, he's definitely Si not Se. INFJs are visionaries and idealists who ooze creative imagination and brilliant ideas.. ''4) It's hard to see much Fe to him in person, but you can always find in his movies: Andrey Rublev is supposed to be about this painter, but really it's more about the Russian people and it's history, and the way they made what Rublev is as a painter. You're also making some sort of diluted non sequitur and mistaking what I mean by INFP bullshit. intuitive/indirect. ” Attitude towards past and present opposite of SP types. However there are iSTJs with better developed Fi. INFPs find safety in the past due to tertiary Si, ISFPs lend themselves to the present moment and find thinking about the past overrated. ISFP's would never be better than INFP's. Aesthetes I associate most with ISFPs, and Sages with INFJs, so this guy remains ISFP. You go, "What. But yeah, my basic problem is that I don't see the practical significance of calling movie-making "sculpting in time". We have forgotten how to relate emotionally to art: we treat it like editors, searching in it for that which the artist has supposedly hidden. Tarkovsky on the difference between him and Bergman: '' I: When did you get the idea for this film. be raised, it seems to me, is the question of a man's personal. It sounds like a slogan. ' is one of my earliest childhood recollections. @Bonita Both types still up for debate. 3) While he definitely has some ISFP characteristics to him, ISFPs in interviews come of as way more laid-back than that. Tarkovsky isn't convergent on the surface, he aims for convergence. While Tarkovsky shows concern for authenticity and strong personal conviction (like INFJ authors such as Mishima or Dostoyevski also show), he doesn't show the individualism of Fi-doms, the desire the take the individual over the archetype. Possible, possible. I couldn't find definitive Ne evidence either, but I did find what may be Si evidence: "I’ve noticed, from my experience, if the external, emotional construction of images in a film are based on the filmmaker’s own memory, on the kinship of one’s personal experience with the fabric of the film, then the film will have the power to affect those who see it. The West is forever. I'm a parody of myself, but he seems to like a more pretentious and less interesting David Lynch (ISFP) who gets a lot of hipster points for being rather obscure and difficult, basically. So I'm leaning on ISFP for now, but need to do some research on his modus operandi. Good argument, scotty. I can see a highly disciplined INFP making a movie like STALKER sure, but not Andrei Rublev or SOLARIS. and natural way of life of potentially every human being: not. Some people evidently wanted more: they needed arcane symbols, secret meanings. Taking larger scale projects and making something special out of it it's the most Ne-lower Te could aspire to. They can however sometimes lack in research of individuals. shouting, 'This is me. I can't see an S inferior making Stalker. Sweeping statements never help. "What is poetry. On a surface reading of him it would fit, but not on a more fundamental level. Excerpts from an interview to nail the hammer down on what a clear NF he is, not a mysterious for its own sake SP: ''I: What is the central Idea in your film. I'll admit I'm still not sold on INFJ because Tarkovsky has a way of taking poeticism too seriously, but I'm leaning towards the crowd's opinion here. You just don't understand punk rock. well i think that INFJ and ISFP are pretty equally ridiculous, and INFJ cause he was so uncompromising on what he wanted to get out. Tree of Life actually has a lot of coherent, good old storytelling. I'll change vote to ISFP in that case. Because what they call passion actually is not some emotional energy, but just the friction between their souls and the outside world. It has never happened to me. Or how unlike science where there's one truth to everything, in art the truth is multi-faced, flexible, in a continuous creation. I honestly don't see Tarkovsky movies that mysterious even, they're nothing like Lynch or Jodorowsky or anyone like that. There's nothing freely associative, but gathering as much meaning in the most simple expression. ''That his style is essentialy Tarkovsky's own is confirmed by the fact that vritually any frame from Solaris, Mirror, Stalker, Nostalghia or The Sacrifice could be instantly indentified as being from one of his films, yet these films were shot by five different cinematohraphers. I've come to believe he is an INTJ. In fact that is what Ni ultimately tries: to abstract the whole world and meaning to the simplest of images. Even if they take their art very seriously, they don't take themselves that seriously, or in the case they're pretentious (which I don't think Tarkovsky is) there would still be something casual about them. " This clearly goes against INTJ, possibly INFJ as well. Hold on a second, I just remembered how von Trier's Melancholia is somewhat renowned for its off-beat visual beauty. But what is Bruce Lee trying to get at through these heavy philosophy. #Butterfly, basically it seems that he's a very nostalgic sort of person, like in that quote about the past being more real than the present, so he probably tries to recreate that sensation. It's however pretty evident that he is an Fi-Dom. I assert that while Tarkovski's movies have symbolic use of language, the plot itself is at best symbolic aesthetically without a message behind them as he has confessed. His visual indulgence is no defining traits against INFJ, since he wants to create contemplation towards spiritual truth, rather than stern analysis. Considering INFPs usually jerk off all over the prospect of self expression as an end in itself, it's a departure from your typical Fi bullshit. "i wish to be truer to the inner world we are trying to recreate on screen, but not merely the inner world of the artist, but what is within the world itself, essential and independent from us. And @crafton should not listen to you because you're not a connoisseur. ”@vandieu OMG were you trolling me when you typed Kieslowski. '' 3) So despite the fact that he puts allot of emphasis on sincerity, it doesn't seem to be for Fi reasons. His focus is on the self, and the spirituality was all conveyed in trying to accurately replicate his personal feelings/beliefs. @Impeccable - hmm what you share is indeed more identifiable with ISFP. For me, the finale is Kelvin's return to the cradle, to his source, which cannot ever be forgotten. It's like taking acid and finding the world very bright and very beautiful, but then coming down and finding out you were just dry humping a raccoon corpse in a pile of vomit. Both Tree of Life and The Mirror are biographical, but The Mirror is far, far less accessible and much more open to interpretation. For him, the image is an aproximation of the whole. " take a very Fi tone. It was at the time when I was just beginning to know the world. 1)''Naturally my opinion is that before all else an artist expresses ideas ripening within the society he lives in. The Aesthate-Sage tries to develop his own personal style for visuals/music (aesthete), in order to exemplify their ideal of spiritual harmony and wholenesse (sage). They're about telling stories in a way that fits some personal aesthetic taste, maybe with some vague spirituality on top but that's it. James Cameron. @Bonita I'm going to keep hearing Martian out so long as he makes good arguments and doesn't write people off on some arbitrary basis. It's impossible for him to do so, his vision will always remain fragmentary. Those last two quotes sound so Ni-Fe but many others sound so Fi-like. I would take your "100% INFJ" claim seriously if you had a flawless argument for that. The problem with your argument however is that it implies that Ne is everything Se can be however it's more since it provides fresh perspectives. I think they're both INFPs to be honest. The reason he's not concerned with political allegory is probably because he's the spiritual rather than a social kind of INFJ (sp/sx with low social instinct) so for him spiritual truth is more important than political one, think Lao Tzi, Buddah etc. Alexander Knyazhinsky, who shot Stalker, felt that Tarkovsky was one of the very few Soviet directors who understood that cinema was essentialy a visual art and quoted him as saying that, if they got the images right, the film was sure to be a success. I don't see David Lynch which we both typed ISFP as serious as Tarkovsky, Lynch is somewhat unleashed. '" More Fe evidence. Persona is more vague or mysterious than Stalker or Andrei Rublev could ever be. We must take into consideration that he was also more of a philosophical aesthete than a serious philosopher and the fact that he himself said clearly that he doesn't intend to project a message in his work. elements are contiguous and reach over into each other. Bobnickmad mentioned the stuff with the bell, and then there's how his movies are conscious of his people and nation and very important to them, and for example making the intro very slow so people have time to find their right seat, etc. I never find myself calling other people pretentious, never. That's why INFJ filmakers are shallower than INFP directors. But show a toe sticking out of a hole in a sock to a poet and it is enough to produce image of the whole world in him. So, for Tarkovsky we have to get at the bottom of what he's trying to say in Sculpting in Time, free of borrowed concepts. We think that art demands special knowledge; we demand some higher meaning from an author, but the work must act directly on our hearts or it has no meaning at all. It's probably capable of arousing very powerful emotions and deep associations for an INFP like bobnickmad if you have "chemistry", so to speak, with the presentation, but I would expect an INFP creator to try to pull the mystery down to earth themselves (Si/Te) or at least play around with it more (Ne), gaining a certain wacky quality, whereas I would expect an INFJ to be deeper and more elaborate and clear about his abstractions (Ni+Ti), like you see in Bergman. But since typology isn't falsifiable you can argue for any non sense. And that (thus far) seems to point to Fi + Si. Ne wants to go in all directions and not by confined by ultimate expressions. Who is the next director I will make ISFP. ' Self-expression is meaningless unless it meets with a response. Yet, what we got are this masterfully crafted movies, that make Hollywood blockbuster such a waste of resources cinematography wise. Have you ever seen me get angry over people criticizing my favorite film maker Michael Bay. I'm not saying Se is incapable but the way I'm actually looking at it is more of a continuum of direct vs. It needed rapport and created a "spiritual bond" with others. Or it could be they needed somewhat to justify their grands project (2001, Andrei Rublev, Blade Runner, Eraserhead) that are masterfully crafted but may seem pointless to people that don't care about the uncompromising artisan, and would feel over-indulgent otherwise. 4-5-1 are a type of 4 that comes off as very serious and even cold like a 5, but despite the 5 like coldness and 1 rigidity apparent both from his movies and person, he's clearly interested in truths about the human heart and meaning of life relating to the human heart, and not some cold 5-like truth. But in my opinion Bobnickmad is on the money. And I'm not discounting INFP. Also, you bastardize what I said about his connection to the past, he said that the past is more reliable than the present, while SP types trust the present much more than the past. ) movies in your 70s sounds more like the development of an INFJ. I see both INFPs and ISFPs as original and artistic. Or a pretentious director that has nothing to express. Also, anyone would tell you that between INFP and ISFP, INFP are by far the more 'serious' type, specially when they're in touch with their Si. Like an INFP he seems very abstract and association/meaning-focused in his quotes. Whether this means Lynch is ISFP and Tarkovsky INFP, or Lynch is INFP and Tarkovsky INFJ, it's pretty clear they're not the same type, and Tarkovsky is much more concerned with the relation between the individuals deeper self and a harmonious society. Though I'd be willing to consider ISFP, that argument thus far seems subjectively justified. INFJs are often very nostalgic for some reason (based on people I know), and all Se users talk about, almost, is stuff that happened to them some or another time. Even though I think it's not very helpful in typology discussion. To find out what your MBTI personality type is you need to complete the MBTI questionnaire and take part in a feedback session from a qualified MBTI practitioner.. 2) The idea of an INFP making a movie like Andrey Rublev and Solaris seemed very inspiring, but it ultimately seems like wish-fulfillment at its best. Very disciplined and logical. His father was a poet also. I guess it's a rushed argument so I'll try to clarify a bit. Let them believe. It's also, IIRC, dedicated to Tarkovsky and is partly a kind of homage. But I don't find him particularly INFJ-like outside of those quotes. However still your argument for INFP is valid. That's the polar opposite in quality. He basically says that the world can only be experienced through each persons subjective and emotional experience, and the role of the director is to remain faithful to his own experience (Fi). Often my assurances provoked incredulity and even disappointment. But I don't see someone showing up on a set saying, "I'm going to sculpt in time. And let them have a laugh at their passions. :DIt's definitely not nonsense. That could just be an NF need to give weight to their work. But regardless of all this, the definitive evidence regarding his type lies not in the nature of his films, but in the how-and-why he made them. There also isn't any interview I found where he's remotely particular like any real S type would be, he's always like in his movies, very vague, always about the meaning of films, the meaning of art, the meaning of this or that, the meaning of things not things itself. Fair argument. I just can't see him as INFJ. People point his individualism for making such movies that go against the Soviet regimes demands, but really, what's most telling is: it's incredible someone even managed to make such movies in The Soviet Union in the first place. @crafton: I'm actually not sure if Malick is really INFP. Need to look more into him. xxx like leon tsao's to show us how brilliant you are in the MBTI field. I for one like to spend time just looking at nature, water and old buildings, just staying minutes and minutes, soacking it in, while contemplating all kinds of questions about life, art, meaning and the human psyche. 1)While it's possible that aux Ne might look like Ni in cases of more focused INFPs, Tarkovsky is simply not Ne at all, not subdued Ne, not everything, he's just the antithesis of Ne. Please I'd request one of INFJ voters to make a case. Realism is striving for truth, and truth is always beautiful. The more we know, the less we know: getting deeper our horizon becomes narrower. g: Woody Allen (ISTP) has quite a few philosophically driven movies despite being an S type. I hesitate though, because you've read his book and everything. But he's not SP. If you enjoyed this entry, find out about the personality types of Acting and Movie Industry characters list.. 13 celebritytypes admins :)Why the INFJ votes though. I considered INFP, but ISFP makes sense too. something to be regarded as a misfortune or punishment imposed. But surely it cannot be worth the effort merely for the sake of hearing one's own echo. S and off topic, ISTJ's inferior Ne can never develop to impact as much. That sounds more like a lesson he learned in life; the authenticity INFJs strive for all their lives (do they ever get it. He really doesn't seem that bent on self-expression like some below think. Nothing more, nothing else, he doesn't pretend to be anything that he's not. The characters are clear archetypes (Ni), not actual people, they represent the spiritual person (the stalker), the artist (the writer) and the scientist (the professor), they aren't true people. Finally, if Tarkovsky is a Fi/Si INFP that would explain the lack of "Ne-wackiness" in his films. Yeah, to me it seems like he has a big theory behind all his movies with similar abstract reasons for everything (INxJ). ^^ Tarkovsky seriously seems to me INFJ for the reasons I put below. Hm, for him it was very important that movies were to be taken seriously as art, so I guess an interpretation, is that he knew if he linked movies to all these heavy philosophical concepts, they would be taken more seriously. Tarkovsky is one of the least Se directors ever though, in that he places nearly zero value on direct sensation. The problem with that reasoning is that you can find an S,N,T,F function in everyone despite their type. But anyway, the way he talks about his processs seems Fi-Si: a movie must express the way its creator sees the world without an attempt at winning over the viewer (Fi) and it must create the sensation of time (Si). He is very disciplined and logical to be an INFP. Don't you feel that is very Si. For the sake of creating a spiritual bond with others it can only be an agonising process, one that involves no practical gain: ultimately it is an act of sacrifice. Wow, if someone tolled me I will end up defending ISFP for Tarkovsky and Butterfly INFJ, I would have thought it's a crazy joke. Only through personal experience do we understand life. So in conclusion INFJ. All I could gather with surety is that he is an Fi type and probably an Fi-dom. tradition they never utter a word about themselves. ' In the Eastern. A typical person is not able to express a universal view of the world. Except that one is a Russian movie director and the other a anime one, they're strickingly similar. I, I, I, I. But on the point, I find an INFJ saying this strange aswell, "For me the most interesting characters are outwardly static, but inwardly charged with energy by an overriding passion". Welcome to MBTIBase - PersonalityBase, here you can learn about Andreï Tarkovski / Andrei Tarkovsky MBTI type.. For example, his movie The Mirror switches between flashback/memories. 2)He also says he hates romanticism, and it seems for quite anti-Fi reasons: ''I believe that Romanticism — in a narrower sense — manifests itself when an artist is intoxicated with self-adoration, he creates himself in his art. Listen to me suffering, loving. #52, have you not seen my comments. And honestly I don't find much depth in his movies. Talking about Ivan's Childhood, he tried to shape the scenes in the movie to resemble his personal memories,''All four dreams, too, arc based on quite specific associations. '' like with Lynch, looking at his movies I feel like there's a back-and-forth conversation made between the author and the viewer, provided the viewer shares his concerns. I mean that spirit of sacrifice which must constitute the essential. Here the aesthetic coincides with the ethical. #butterfly You still haven't responded how someone who think the past has more weight than the present is SP. ''The image makes palpable a unity in which manifold different. I also don't think any INFP have to be subversive with themes like you seem to believe, in fact, unless it serves a purpose, being subversive for its own sake it's what's often pretentious. -in my personal interpretation- Cherish the moment and the particular, nothing else is real but the moment and the particular (Se). The truth it's there in the image. everything; discovering everything in himself. ""Art is realistic when it strives to express an ethical ideal. Also, my favorite of his quotes: ''The aim of art is to prepare a person for death, to plough and harrow his soul, rendering it capable of turning to good. Not to say an INFJ can't be very good with visuals, but the visuals in Stalker have a natural complexity that would demand one's S function being in a non-inferior position, as the lower the function, the less is nuanced. : Bergman, who you think is so much more meaningful than Tarkovsky, thought Tarkovsky was the greatest movie director of all times. Also this self-confirmation, this unending self-presentation is not a result of his art, it is its goal. ''On his background: His father was a poet, and his mother a Literature Institute graduate. All the philosophical musing in his movies are pretty general connections between the meaning of art, knowledge, truth and human emotions. Like the main motif for him, it seems that it's to capture the right images. It does sound more Fe if that quote is taken in a vacuum. For those interested in anime, I would like the pin-point just how similar he and Mamoru Oshii (INTP: clearly not ISP, clear not J) are: both make movies very serious in tone even for their genres, both have heavy-handed philosophical dialogue in their movies, both put a huge emphasis on the visual and their visuals have a richness (STALKER, Ghost in the Shell) that can't be found in most directors, both make very slow movies with slow shots that just makes one contemplate the scenery and create mood. It offers absolute dissolution of individual in nothingness, in nature, in cosmos. Tarkovsky about the main character in Stalker: ''The Stalker seems to be weak, but essentially it is he who is invincible because of his faith and his will to serve others. I mean, it would be good if you'd also formulate arguments and not just post quotes. Also, lol, even theoretically he is the opposite of everything I stand for. '' Clear moral and intuitive concerns, worthy of any self respecting NF. Now let's see the ENTP butterfly fapping to your INTP analysis, bobnickmad. — Not too long ago I deliberately listened to music from the 6th century B. That also implies that ISFPs are not original. I read in his book about movie making ''Sculpting in Time'' that his mother read him daily (or made him read) from War on Peace of Lev Tolstoy, and since I'm quite inclined to think Tolstoy was INFJ, it would explain his INFJ like characteristics. But the visuals are archetypal (the introduction scene looks like tarot cards), everything is pure, condensed, simple (far from the way Von Trier indulged himself with inferior sensation with the near pornographic Nymphomaniac). An INFP will do that to some degree as well, but their balance is tilted the other way. Anyway, he's definitely not Ne. ''the cinematographic image'' seems to be his one obsession there. T:How did I get the idea to make this or that film. See how there's no point being made. Then this interview muddles things up again: https://www. I wanted someone to challenge it. I think what I'm finding is pretty consistent overall with his movies too. *he's not the kind of cryptical, analytical modern kind of INFJ*taking small scale projects and making something special out of itLike there is not just one form of INFP, there isn't just one form of INFJ. Both have non imposing personas and both can be symbolic, INFPs being more idiosyncratic while ISFPs more aesthetic. @martian Good point. I don't know, I am more confused than I was before. WITH THAT SAID, I'm extremely biased against difficult "establishment" art. In this site you can find out which of the 16 types this character 'Andreï Tarkovski / Andrei Tarkovsky' belongs to!. I didn't say INFJ can't be very good with visuals, specially in that hypnotic kind of way, but Stalker has a more earthy and very nuanced kind of beauty to it. I think I said something on Bergman's page. ''; ''Compare Eastern and Western music. STALKER for example is a pretty obvious soul-journey, and the main point is that even we ourselves aren't aware of our deepest desires and most inner motivation. and here is how I love, and here is how I. It will always be their Achilles heel, at most a mature ISTJ would offset negative aspects of inferior Ne. The issue is either he is Ne-Si or Se-Ni. A few points that I'd like to make though:. "" I had the greatest difficulty in explaining to people that there is no hidden, coded meaning in the film, nothing beyond the desire to tell the truth. It's a highly original manner of expressing and thinking about the world. He could be a case of Fi-Si process in INFPs rather than Fi-Ne, similar with Proust or Virginia Woolf. In brief, he appears a kind of medium, expressing ideas which society itself engenders. Those kinda INFJ quotes are a few, but the obsession with ''pure image'' is nailed down over and over. Like it doesn't go past the surface beauty of the abstract claim itself. While INFP can have traits like that, individualism is still the biggest concern, while for Tarkovsky is more about showing the individuals place in the absolute, the world etc. A poet takes a small fragment as a starting point and turns it into a coherent whole. No, I understand what you're saying. I just spoke from memory/impression. In an interview Ingmar Bergman, if I remember correctly, told how the idea, or rather the image, of one of his films came to him suddenly, while observing a ray of light on the floor of a dark room. The stranger has provoked an explosion of associations in him. A lot of his movies are Fi-Si themed (Ivan's Childhood, Mirror), and self-expression is more of a 4 thing. ca/~tstronds/nostalghia. Every person’s preference can be found on a spectrum, so just choose the letter you identify with most.. He also mentions in an interview that one of the messages of Andrei Rublev is that ''you can't make people feel simulated emotions''. You really need to create a website like bobnickmad. I find that the more cerebral INFP filmmakers (Lynch, Malick, Tarkovsky) for whatever reason end up making films that can seem like Ni even though if you examine them as people they are not Ni types. Also, note that his last two movies are called Nostalgia and Sacrifice and this two seem to be the main poles around which Tarkovsky's artistic creation are to be understood. I think for an INP to make very ambitious movies like these guys did, it requires a very trained Si and this in turn explain why their movie end up being so serious in tone and heavy handed compared to your typical NP movies. INFJs are quite obsessed about things being stylish and whatnot. I've re-tough the MBTI function order. I think if we collect all these quotes we can point out how they can point to Ni and Fi, and also Fe in the last few quotes. At no point in what he says or in his movies is there something Ne about him. While I don't necessarily believe he is an ISFP, I think that ISFP's tertiary Ni can be significant to make them seek symbolism in some sense. No wonder I don't like his movies. To make such a movie in such time requires either huge amount of determination or incredible power of persuasion, and likely both, that fits more an INFJ. Even the way Sculpting in Time is written, it doesn't go in all kinds of directions with ease, it's much more obsessive on a few points. "Ni spookiness" hahahaaaaaaaaa@martian Good point. "Typing someone based solely on the content of their work is erroneous. There is really nothing fascinating, nothing poetic, about it. Almost, as if photosohed. If anything, it shows the preference for Intuition: not looking at the thing, but seeing the general in it. '' Sounds pretty Fe. And because of that an artist can never oppose his own culture, his own people, by no means he can oppose it; even when he expresses concepts containing ideas unacceptable to the contemporary society it doesn't mean these ideas did not originate inside, within that society. If someone dislikes Tarkovsky, it's in their right to do so. In my version of MBTI, INFP shows traits of Fi, Ne and Ni; INFJ shows traits of Ni, Fe and Fi. Other things he's said like "Let everything that's been planned come true. I went through the whole Tarkovsky and Bergman argument. A common misconception it's that he like and use symbolism, when actually he disliked them, because he felt that it gives his movies a decesive meaning, and he didn't want it meanings but emotions, the viewer should determine the meaning based in his own experiences. I mean the spirit of sacrifice which is expressed in the. But then someone would argue why an ISFP would make films like him and then all that. I don't think Si users are the only ones who can be obsessed with the past either. He has provided the most definitive evidence of Fi/Si being the primary cognitive processes at work in Tarkovsky's filmmaking. Take for example the music of Wagner or, I don't know, Beethoven — that's an unending monologue about oneself: look how poor I am, all in rags, how miserable, what Job I am, how unhappy, how I suffer — like nobody else — I suffer like the antique Prometheus. Secondly, I don't actually know him that well, so there might be a lot, lot more to "filmmaking as sculpting in time" than I'm giving it credit for. Ni types express their insights and vision to convey a message, lay out an agenda to change minds. If he's ISFP, he's most likely 1w9, as enneagram 1 would explain best why he appears so J like. It feels very much like how I am when I just let my Si contemplates scenery and let Ne ponder about life and meaning and all that stuff. Wow, after reading those quotes, why are we even doubting he is INFJ. Your non sequitur is saying I can't criticize (though I'm not doing that) something because someone likes what I criticize. Tbqh I only used that quote to see if anyone else would say it was weighty nonsense because the line between Ni spookiness and Fi passion barfing can get blurry. '' This seems very much the way INFJ see themselves in relation the society. For Ni-Se he's too vehemently against any kind of symbolism or allegory, anything that tries to go beyond the image itself and tries to suggest something outside of it, because it ruins the perfection. why should crafton not listen. "( nice documentary on the master: https://www. I'd hope someone would expand more on the topic. But to do so, they have to speak in other's language. An artist after all is an individual, a personality; he is like a nation's personification precisely because he turns out to be the nation's voice, its product. " or this being part of some complex theory in which this makes perfect sense. It's similar with art. So it makes me grab for Tertiary Ni. This is itself is not an argument for Ni-dom itself, but it is for Ni and lack of Ne. The only way I would explain people find his movies mysterious for their own sake, it's because of the long shots and peculiar film-making, but that's just more feeling based than symbolic from what he often stated. Again, this has not to do with practical advantage but with realising the idea of love, the meaning of which is in sacrifice: the very antithesis of pragmatism. I also don't see an ISFP being so serious all the time, he seems stereotypically IxxJ. Him saying the image suggest the absolute could be due to depth of feeling the image inspires in him (I personally feel like I get what's he's trying to say with his Fi. The idea of a film always comes to me in a very ordinary, boring, manner, bit by bit, by rather banal phases. I guess being a Soviet artist may have its demands as well, and there are perhaps more social expectations for Russian art in general to be socially responsible, with a heritage with so many important NFJs. (We can however argue why someone is inclined towards specific topics/ideas and how they approach them). Reading his quotes like that "film is sculpting in time", it's just beautiful nonsense. I really can't see how an ISFP would dislike romanticism and Bethoven just because it's self centered (how is Bethoven self-centered even. '' Sounds like Begman is higher on intuition than Tarkovsky. Another great example of an Aesthete-Sage is the Romanian sculptor Constantin Brancuşi. Yes, I'm an uncultured monster with no appreciation for fine art. This could be Ni-Se or could be Se-Ni. Fi-dominance seems especially clear once you move past his filmography (mental contents) and examine the underlying processes at work and motivating him (see also: Scotty/Impeccable below). Also, tertiary Si can have quite a stricking aesthetic -melancholic but focused on the peculiarity of the detail, aesthetics it's not someone pertaining only to Se types (by comparison, many Se-dom directors make very aesthetically poor movies). So I'm probably not the most temperate evaluator of him. On the other hand, I might be wrong, and Bergman might be INFJ after all and Tarkovsky ISFP - INFJs, after all, are known to have a big weak spot for ISFPs, similar to INFPs with INTJs. Like I can say Tarkovsky is an ISTJ with developed Fi and Ne. That's a Romantic trait I find abhorrent. jpg It's maybe easier to copy something that pioneer it though, idk. Tarkovsky's work, interviews and book shows generalized contemplative abstractions (Ni), need for emotional authenticity (Fi) and communal spirit (Fe). Both types can appear pretentious as well, almost always more so than ISFPs. Here you can explore of famous people and fictional characters.. But eh, it's not really what his movies are about. These are people who want to know about everything in minutest detail, like accountants or lawyers. I'm not sure here, actually. Mohahaha, you went straight into my reverse psychology trap. There's too much unnecessary moments in his films. http://people. Let them believe. I wanted someone to challenge it. The level of production that goes in such movies, the scale, managing such a large crew and most importantly, making it all fit together is just something beyond what INFPs are capable of, unfortunately. I did see that as Ne, but could be wrong, could be Se self indulgence or Se hypnosis (like the highway scenes in Solaris, that are just there to "numb" the viewer). I also don't remember any quote in Stalker, or any Rublev movies that doesn't sense, they are pretty obvious musing on the relationship between art and knowledge, there's nothing empty. Tarkovsky is very in control of philosophising, it never feels ''woo, what does this mean. The dude goes on and on about his rich inner world of emotions and bloated language. You understand. first, for instance, from start to finish, right up to the words, 'Mum, there's a cuckoo. INTJs are interested in ideas and theories when observing the world.. Honestly I haven't really liked his movies much, so I don't know him very well either, and Bobnickmad is probably better to consider him in the first place. "Art enriches man's own spiritual capabilities and then he can rise above himself to use what we call 'free will. Look at http://www. It's like he's slowing, expanding the void between important moments. Also, he's always conceptual/philosophical over particular in interviews. Rublev has this very INFx theme of going from being very idealistic about the human condition to being very pessimistic about it all, all done in a very human way. Say it with me: INFP. He's the the cryptic, analytical kind, rather he's more of a return to a more poetic form of INFJ, the kind of INFJ that is Lao Zi. But on a few occasions he explicitly mentions that he doesn't intend to put any message or idea across through his films. It's very bobnickmad-core lol. His words on creation and his creation coincide. Some very INFJ quotes: ''In the face of disaster on that global scale, the one issue that has to. You want to know a beautiful but totally meaningless movie. audienceseverywhere. Reading about The Mirror again though, the way he mixes in history and everything, and how it means a lot to Russians, that sounds more coherently intuitive than I remember it being, and the national thing is very Fe ofc. Which makes me think it's too shallow to be an INFJ and too stubbornly "out there" in a non-playful way to be INFP. That said I'm pretty sure he is an Fi type, just not so sure about Ne and so I'm considering ISFP. Than again, maybe he's more like a down to earth Plato rather than a reverse Plato. Why not challenge them when you feel they are wrong. Take Solaris, the book is quite simple from a narrative standpoint, but Tarkovski adds lots of elements in the first part that could have been taken off. I simply cannot believe that an artist can ever work only for the sake of 'self-expression. html Contrast this with someone like Lynch in interviews, and it's a clear difference in intellectual heaviness. Bobnickmad once again destroying what he argued for till then. Nor tough I see an ISFPs wanting to adapt a certain material because it deals with the dictotomy between moral entropy and inspiration to a moral ideal, and the conflict it creates in society and the individual, or the realition between art and knowledge, the disharmonious nature of the world and man's aspiration to harmony, all other hollistic concerns. Even going along with Malick being INFP though, I still feel he is more down to earth than Tarkovsky. ceases to be a spiritual being in any real sense. responsibility, and his willingness for sacrifice, without which he. But it seem they tend to be rephrases of other thinkers, from Lao Tzi to german psychologists. The person is. " take a very Fi tone. :P@butterfly INFPs definitely do vague as hell movies. However both of these want people to fill in their own subjective insights, something which Ni type wouldn't like much But to be honest, attributes that people attribute to both INFPs and INFJs can be found in either types easily, so INFJ isn't completely off the table. @Martian The Tarkovsky quote I used was about him self expression was meaningless on its own terms. net/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/melancholia. A medium that represent the essence of that culture, and I think this causes them struggle: because their vision on what their culture is at its essence, and the ''public opinion'', doesn't coincide, yet they themselves don't feel they oppose that culture, but rather want to be a personification of it. In other words, I think he might be an INFJ after all. Tarkovksy suggesting that his self expression should create spiritual bond is just a way of giving weight to his work. Quiet, reflective, and idealistic. Interested in serving humanity. Well-developed value system, which they strive to live in accordance with.. But these are not objectively verifiable traits of Tarkovsky, they are Butterfly's own opinions of him. I think starting out as a professional philosopher, then dropping out in your 30-40s to make conservative stories with a certain mysteriousness to them (Badlands, Days of Heaven), and then slowly ending up making improvised (Se. I'm just objecting to why ISFP is being rejected on strange reasoning. That sounds very Fe to me, actually. For example: Bruce Lee (ISTP), many people think he must be INFJ because he uses these deep, abstract quotes.

. Disregard the contrarian quote I put up. If there's a thing about his movies and interviews that feels very INFJ is the theme of sacrifice for some purpose outside of oneself. As well, after reading some comments that I missed, I've come to see him as an individualistic and (in a different way) down-to-earth INFJ. " And it's beautiful because it's basically poetry, making you stop like that but still makes sense in its own interesting way. Actually, I would have to concur. Even if not directly tested, public voting can provide good accuracy regarding Andreï Tarkovski / Andrei Tarkovsky Myers-Briggs and personality type!. No, I'm kidding. :DHe could have been 1w9 rather 5w4 which would explain the self-discipline. Of course, I can't claim I know what Bruce Lee, Camus and Tarkovsky it's all about, but it's possible that because Se it's so looked down on by other intellectuals, and found shallow, these ISP with stronger Ni took upon themselves to show that the simple observations of life and movement has more depth than these intellectuals who no longer look at life would believe. A movie like STALKER feels spiritual for me, not just dialogue wise, but visually as well. I was going to whip up some impressive shots from Lars von Trier or something. Another man will look at the same person and he will smile unexpectedly. I agree that Ne is not very clear with him, but like we have ISP were Se is so fused with Ni it's almost unrecognizable, couldn't we also have an INFP where the Ni and Si are so fused that the Ne is almost unrecognizable. That could explain why he's such a complex individual, since he already inherited the literary aspect from his parents. Compare it with the ''the only real thing is the present'' attitude of SP types. And hearing more of the stuff he is saying, it's starting to sound more like there is genuine deep thought to him and his movies. Everything else if filler, what it's of ultimate interest to him is the perfect ''cinematographic image'': the image that captures life with the utmost sincerity. But society cannot be an artist. In an interview I read he was also obsessed with stuff like "the Russian artist" and their responsibilities, the difference between the art of different nations, etc. He is very disciplined and logical to be an INFP. The arguments quotes for Fi and against Ni-dominance seem too strong to make a clear case for INFJ. Andrey Rublev breaks every rule of what you can get away with in USSR: ample references to Christianity, spiritual, nudity even today might raise some eyebrows (the witch bath anyone. @Bonita Are you a shit posting account or do you have aspergers. I think calling him pretentious is more of a reflection on perception of the person saying it, not Tarkovsky. Agreed, definitely not INFJ. Those last quotes seems very INFJ, but it seems that intellectual ISPs with strong tertiary Ni, have a thing for taking other's philosophies in big chuncks and putting them together in some kind of a more personal system like with cutting stuff from a book and sticking it with glue together -which equalls in them appearing more ''deep'' than INPs, who would rather use their own words. This error shows on quite a few occasions here. Sven Nykvist credited him with knowing a good deal about the technical side of filmmaking and with being very sensitive to light. " And then you think about it for a while and you say, "Yeah, yeah, that kind of makes sense. You can't type a troll like butterfly, troll. You catch some particular image and the feeling it associates makes it feel suspended in time and bigger than all practical truths of life ). Unless you clearly show Tarkovsky's Ti coming in play (I see none). Oh well, at least you sound reasonable now. That's not a great argument, but eh. His work is instead hollistic, it's about the individuals place in the world, in the great scheme of things, inside the absolute. There's something to clarify here, about the Fi in INFP and INFJ. Tarkovsky about Solaris: ''The film ends with what is most precious for a person, and at the same time the simplest thing of all, and the most available to everybody: ordinary human relationships, which are the starting-point of man's endless journey. The endless inner struggle of man, who wants to be freed from all moral restraint, but at the same time seeks a meaning for his own movement, in the form of an ideal — that is the dichotomy that constantly produces intense inner conflict in the life of the individual and of society. Butterfly your argument is valid but I disagree that an INFP or INFJ necessarily has to be deep. The little detail that kills it: Tarkovsky made a 3 hour+ biography about a religious, sensitive painter (ISFP. Maybe he likes Fi characters. His process of creating scenes in movies seems Fi-Si like I explained below (looking for the affective component in a scene and linking it to personal memories), and not Ni. Whenever an artist sort of dissolves himself in a work of art, when he himself disappears without a trace, this then is unbelievable poetry. When someone like Tarkovsky makes a biography they probably connect very strongly and personally to them. INFJs also look for the ''pure image'', but one that's it's conceptual, while for him its those images that are already there in nature, almost like a reverse Plato. Like in Andrei Rublev, the disilusioned painter sees a young man building a church bell and making his community happy and this makes Rublev realizes he has a higher, unselfish calling; or the STALKER sees in the Zone an opportunity to serve others rather than himself. Well, I am not sure still given that nothing clarifies his personality yet. Like in his book Sculpting in Time, there's a few xNFJ like quotes about the artist reflecting his times and things like that, but he never does explain those things more in depth, and just moves on. SOLARIS doesn't have the vague mysteriousness of 2001:A Space Odyssesy either. If there's a mysterious aspect to his movie, it's the religious feeling, and maybe that's what you struggle with, like this feeling of connection with the world. I don't see this as being incompatible with INFP. And let them have a laugh at their passions. @Martian Too much work. @crafton Don't listen to Martian, Tarkovsky is 100% INFJ. I wouldn't call Stalker stylish. v=Ez5vRUcxyE0 )CelebrityTypes seems to have the best understanding of Jung and his students. Tbqh I only used that quote to see if anyone else would say it was weighty nonsense because the line between Ni spookiness and Fi passion barfing can get blurry. com/TheTopics/On_Solaris_2. In my system, this guy is a great example of an Aesthete-Sage. I don't know how to handle Tarkovski. CelebrityTypes have typed Tarkovski. For now, I'm on ISFP who said INFJ things at times because he needed to justify his movies in a non-idulgent way (probably as an effect of having to explain himself to the Soviet authorities). He loved Bergman so much that Tarkovsky tried to imitate Bergman's style, without success of course, in "Offret". Well, would have to look into him more. Because what they call passion actually is not some emotional energy, but just the friction between their souls and the outside world. This is something I do not find very agreeable and in general. anyway, in the context of auxiliary functions of an IxFP, it's basically new meaning versus direct meaning. Trytipe: 4-5-1 imo. @crafton: That still misses the Ni factor though. Everyone's capable of everything at certain levels but an ISFP's focus is sharing that sensory detail and reaching the senses. He's not any kind of T type. @crafton In case you don't know, INFJ Tarkovsky idolized INFP Bergman, so don't talk shit about INFPs. I think no one's a holy cow. He's like the definition of an Intuitive personality. Let's take a step back. @crafton I think I'm the only one free of Aspergers in here. Or Camus ( ISFP). So in those cases it's important to separate what it's ''borrowed'' and what actually represents the actual intention of the person. Also I guess you have a point. @bobnickmad: Maybe I'm mistaken about this, but generally I don't think INFPs do that cold, super open-to-interpretation, "take it or leave it" mysteriousness which is so predominant in Tarkovsky so consistently. @Martian: On the other hand, I think someone handling entire movie productions would have to be quite a well-balanced person, no matter which type, so it seems more likely that what we are seeing in that quote is an ISFP straining himself rather than an INFP/INFJ on a bad day. And as for the INFP bullshit, I'm just saying most things they say sound pretty but are very hollow and just decoration for nonsense.

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