Annie Clark Myers-Brigs type - MBTI, enneagram and personality type info
An INTJ especially. Oh no all those. I like to think of it more as Ti-N for INTPs and Ni-T for INTJs, where N overlaps with both Ni and Ne, and T overlaps with both Ti and Te, if you are to name top 2 functions. I think that for doing anything VERY passionate you're right. So certain individuals do use Ni-Fi-Te in that order which goes against the aforementioned model but helps understand the dynamics better. So as well as you could make those “Ni-Se” color arguments you should consider making the equally bizarre “Fe-Ti” playing non-self characters argument that got people to believe Bowie was INFJ (obv that was crazy. I watched some of her interviews, there are no Fe whatsoever, not like INFJs in their Ni-Ti loop either, more like nonexistent. I'm INTJ and around Reddit and such, I've seen people have this "intuitive dominant" pride which always just seemed like something created by self-hating INJs to feel like ENPs. Te aims to detach from the individual, while Ne is driven by the essence of the individual's abstractions. Her Te is there, believe me I saw it (even though nobody has seen it). She does seem like she likes to explore different topics (some obviously more than others) and share her opinions on them, but it's tough to determine the psychological process behind that. They wanted everyone to be middle of the road, ready to play every potential style of music. If you want more evidence of this difference hear that Annie calls her newest album "most like herself. Similar construction from one to the next. They are just how information is handled not how individualistic the approach is. But unlike the more compromising ISFJ, ISTJ always stay on their path. But what more noticeably will set INTJs apart is their Ni as well as some introverted thinking. Her cold, distant, worried, detached, even challenging eyes. She's definitely not an Fe user. And Te users don't have naturally curly hair. You do realize that is speculative analysis, correct. The part towards the beginning where she describes how she was gauging if there were wind, because of the temperature of her skin vs the air. Eighteen out of the last eighteen votes on this site have been for none other than Annie Clark. If it's really Fi that gives INTJ their "individualistic" nature, then how about them ISTJs. As for static sound elements, similar construction and renewing her style - I don't see how lacks as specific as that would suggest she was not an INTJ at all. As for the whole INFJ being addicted to computers thing, it seems to exist solely in your head. I would GUESS Fe simply because Ni-Te-Fi users still have that Fi to know what they're feeling as they write it, whereas Fe users don't always. That is not anti-Ti, it's actually something that an INTP or INTJ would come up with. Vincent album character. Hmmm this is less so a careful analysis than it is just roundabout reasoning made to justify a typing. ENFPpop fashionista Misaki Koshi from Wednesday Campanella has impeccable taste so she's gotta be ESFP or ENFJ right. She is not going to win any fans by sounding business savy. I honestly cannot believe 5 people voted for INFP just to create a ridiculous ratio. 17 votes for INTP now. This truth might not even be the focus of the artist because the sentiment and abstraction on it are what are most focused on to create a story. Also I really don't think she's as austere as people make her out to be. I was always trying to get my sister to do fun, mischievous adventures, like to tip over the porta-potties (portable lavatories) at school or steal candy". The MBTI questionnaire sorts people into one of 16 different personality types.. The only types that have 2 of [Ne, Ti, Ni] in the top two slots of the Grant-Brownsword model are xNTP. Try to think things through before you embarrass yourself. And if you don't want to answer my question about another INTJ artist that's fine too, I was just genuinely curious as to what you thought. Thanks for the back and forth as different perspective on Annie, though, it was interesting seeing everyone's different analyses from yours to Scotty's. Probably one of those rare INTJ E4. Most Ni dominants do not feel as though doing this would make them any freer, because they see and realize humans will tend to meld and organize into external patterns of action in whatever environment that are not correlated to their inner liberty of reality, or their ability to use this to optimize external systems. @Van Houten, so do all introverts. I don't get how you could not say that Ne is a much more individualistic function. Meanwhile she flaunts her quirkiness (Fi), has an unusually chilly nature for an INFJ and sometimes has combative lyrics like a lot of those named by thephaxsi, such as how she won't be anyone's carpt, etc. It's kinda something that I feel people picked up a little on and ran with when she introduced the St. If an INJ sees no reason to go down a certain path because another one is clearly theirs to them (her music) they won't bother with it because they will devote their life to a simple pursuit. She is never genuinely wacky in the lazy, automatic kind of way of an INTP; the visual weirdness is controlled in a very Ni+Se way. I want to hear people's reactions to what is being said on this blog. Check this video: https://www. It's obvious in the interviews, no responding body language that seeks to compromise, appease, or imitate other people whatsoever. Neither Te nor Ne is associated with individual himself, thats what make them the objective function. So an INTP's Ne serves Ti and INTJ's Te serves their Ni. ISFJ = 2 points, ENFP = 3 points (ENFP is more individualistic). Unlike INTPs and INFJs, INTJs don't believe in universals. If you enjoyed this entry, find out about the personality types of St. Vincent characters list.. < On the other hand if you go with the INFJ line of reasoning you have to explain her chilly nature, why her courteousness feels kind of stilted and why she flaunts her weirdness. " IN_J's enjoy spelling out truth in order that others may realize the systems in which they live so that they adjust their perspective and from their adjust their behavior. Fi smiles with the lower half of the face. And maybe it's the sides of Te and Ti that we both see in Annie that is making us come to vastly different conclusions. Imo it's because Se is about immersion of the senses, and the more intense it is, the more fun for them. The producer and I slightly recontextualise sounds. I don't see how either is more individualistic than the other. So certain individuals do use Ni-Fi-Te in that order which goes against the aforementioned model but helps understand the dynamics better. Lol, I think this discussion is more suitable for our forum. Now put in Ellie Goulding and Joanna Newsom (INFJs from two very different musical styles). It is not showing how personal, authentic principles (Ti or Fi) are being compromised by the truths of society. To me that reeks of Ni-Se interplay, because it is about converging to one whole of the universe. Her music has become increasingly Ti heavy which has likely led to Scotty believing INTP but when we look in the context of where this Ti is coming from and the purpose it serves in her work it is clear it is not her dominant function. Idk, it might be some kind of Te/Ti clash. It has to do with having Fe in the auxiliary. These are momentous expressions linked to a Je ideology. A lot of INTPs don't act like average nerds. What I am saying is not "N period. Keep reading to learn more about what goes into your Myers-Briggs personality type—and maybe discover what yours is.. In essence Annie is an instructor, a truth-teller, and a liberator of the psychological truth of what technology does to humans. No you don't "have to use functions" to explain such a damn simple thing. She just wants to be seen as an individual. But make no mistake how Te is being categorized in this video. The difference between Ne and Te shows because one is judgement function and the other is perceiving, not because one is more individualistic than the other. 4:2:1 balance now. Oh and I would like to ask who you think another INTJ artist to compare to would be. To build their fantasy elsewhere and be authentic. I see all these INTJs always saying INTPs are the kind who don't accomplish much because they are lazy or whatever, but I do think INTJs do have more focus on measurable results, which may or may not lead to them "doing" more rather than talking about it. INTJs with secondary Te are more likely to NOT adapt to the environment in a way that is out of line with the goals of the ego Ni because frankly they do not care about social norms unless it is conducive to follow them for their Ni goal. Probably one of those rare INTJ E4. I don't know what world you are living in right now but it isn't this one. I guess I did say she put a value on individualism which she does, and which INTPs do more than INTJs, but "not wanting to be pinned down" is more specific in a way, and also applies to Ne more severely. She has that freedom-loving aversion to being pinned down to anything, which is usually the most obvious difference between INTPs and INTJs. These letters seem like an over simplification to me so if thats useful than sure this table can work as a short hand. If we flip over to Enneagram for a moment it becomes clear Annie's tritype is 5w4 - 4w5 - 8w9. (also Lady Gaga is an ISFP, not ENFP. I think they connect very well with one another. Ne is more ''bubbly'' than Ni. Even in NJ types it is there too. Scotty's point that she would fit a type algorithm of trying to "outright [reject]" "society's expectations" for the sake of being "free and unbound" seems incredibly incorrect to me. Now I agree there is a distinct lack of Te in person, but seeing as Te is highly culturally and socially discouraged in females, it's not surprising that she's going to have a stilted, courteous social style. Here's the "big reveal" article: https://www. So the question would be: in what way is Annie individualistic. As for "INFJs it's decided it's Fe", who decided. Revealing your personal situation seems like an S (concrete experiences) rather than N (theoretical realm) thing, specifically SF. Spelling out the truth and working top-down explaining it is very Je, yes, but providing a mirror can be a heuristic, and I feel like in general helping people to form their own conclusions from heuristics is much more of a Ji trait. CT got this one very wrong. A new balance has been established following the powers of 2. " Annie's concern does not seem to be in freeing herself from such things and going on a rampage against them, but instead seems to be a call to demonstrating to humans what the loops in which we live consist of so that we can change them, optimize them, and begin to "live for ourselves" as she puts it. Although she's certainly an Fi user. I am more into nuanced bullshit, I just find it more fun. I’m an INP and I realize the same not-very-deep things that Annie realizes, because I’m not a fucking idiot. David Byrne doesn't have to worry about being judged so heavily on his appearance so he has more license (from society) to relax in that regard. Lol, even your silly sensory arguments are way more against most people's idea of the cognitive function of Fe, rather than anything Ti or Ne. jpgNot going to get too much into debate here because that ship was primarily docked back at P-D but I really think she's an INFP. The purpose of the auxiliary function is supposed to be to assist the dominant function, right. I would have to watch more interviews with Annie to be sure which of the INJ types she is. I think the crying about the work though to me sounds Ni-Fe more than anything else. As for how she handles message through music, I'm not sure what to think about it. Uhhh, honestly I don't owe you any kind of complete analysis of Annie Clark. I'm not anti-education, but my best education was listening to records and going out on the road. " That does not relate to identity. Welcome to MBTIBase - PersonalityBase, here you can learn about Annie Clark MBTI type.. But I don't hear, it's this idiosyncratic mixture of melody and noise. Even in your words "introverted types are more complex" is a description of a letter relationship. N more individualistic than S: so ENTJ more individualistic than ISFP. " Also if we watch this interview where her extraverted side is on (because it's not actual an interview) there's an incredible amount of Fe: https://www. Obviously Ni over Ne. I think Ne is as detached as Te, Ne is just feeding information to person's psyche, of course each individual perceives it irrationally and differently. The "intuition" comment can't be read literally as MBTI intuition and actually would probably correspond more to MBTI sensing. I appreciate your extensive explanations, for being the first person to respond to my initial comment, and for being a great spearheader in this debate. To me you can clearly see Annie trying to connect with and introject into Tune Yards's world, make jokes, lighten the mood, and demonstrate the power of respect: https://www. And it was beautiful. All by the letters, and all simple. These are ideological movements in reality that allow her to feel her reality being colonized around her by her understanding of its truth. No INTJ would ever do that. Oh my that is such Ti. I think if she were INFJ, there would likely be a stronger collective element and she would say it in a more self-assured way, like she's some kind of sage and she is introducing you to a magical fellowship of musicians. I believe introverted types are more complex than how they manifest in their extroverted stance as Jung stated. I don't have some beautiful argument to give for her being F over T (I don't think it's by much) but I think the Annie Clark that hides behind all these different transformative personnae ('House Wife On Pills,' 'Near Future Cult Leader,' and 'Dominatrix at the Mental Institution et. The only way to tell they are Fe is from the serious work which they create alone. I feel Ne is always trying to get people out of their intellectual inertia, and someone like Socrates would be the ultimate example of something like this. Look at the reactions on her face. Those types can be highly intelligent too. Yes she's gotten stronger, more steady but think back to songs like the Apocalypse Song, Landlines, Now Now, The Strangers and so many more. I guess we shouldn't have any back and forth here. @Van Houten, Ne has to do with abstract connections the individual makes with the environment as he is experiencing it. Or rather, I wish I had the commitment and dedication to write an MBTI blog as long as this. Adele's supposedly an ENTJ but when was the last time you saw her wearing something vivid and bright. It's also how she caries herself, INTPs come of ass less stern and even somewhat more bubbly. Not sure about J or P, but I know a lot of both SJs especially who just won't stop talking about their personal experiences as if they are a source of infinite wisdom, even if they distort them in a ridiculous way. ''Unlike INTPs and INFJs, INTJs don't believe in universals. That's just retarded. And please don't spam, it's retarded. Lady Gaga is often typed ISFP for her crazy Fi and Se derived from her fashion sense and her attitude but she's pretty obviously an ENFP if you actually look at who she really is; Kate Bush is very INFP but of course since she's a dancer, Celebrity Types types her an ISFP; Russell Mael from Sparks often gets an ESFP typing for his flamboyant clothing and his stage presence but he's also a pretty clear intuitive; lots of k-pop stars get typed SP and NJ because they're just oh so good at dancing and have such a presence even though a good portion of them are SJ with a few NPs here and there too. Ok, maybe no all INTJ are individualistic, but they're known to be quite individualistic despite their pragmatical apearence. This is squarely an IN_J mindset. With respect to your first comment I'm not equating.
. For this reason it's not improper to type her according to her lyrics or the form she creates in her art if we understand through her descriptions how she creates these forms. Scotty, I do agree with you about the clear Ti as you know. Don't develop your shadow of a doubt, stick with the main 4. I've never seen a Fe user do that, but I do it myself (as an INFP) all the time. Discover Array, and more, famous people, fictional characters and celebrities here!. " That's so Fi. Vincent album very well. She's a J type. Are you people typing her or the music/lyrics she makes. Free in-depth and practical information on the 16 personality types, including careers and relationships.. Yes, I would say INFJ is an inferior typing to INTJ, but the thing that I don't see the MBTI fetish crew touching is how she is anti-Te to the core (thephaxsi did mention that and it's true). And if you don't like that explanation, compare Ne-doms with Te-doms. org/blog/wp-content/uploads/uexc_attach/gingrich-newt_wife-callista_robotic-smile_kennedy-center_look-alikes. And yeah if you want to make something on the forum, go for it. I'm not sure about her type, but not INFJ imo. @fuckboy you're right about the high school clubs and the pun was hilarious though I think that there are plenty of people who feed their tertiary. I just don't see this much at all coming out of a J type, who would have that "get a degree and put it to practical use" mentality, sticking through with it. I do not agree with them, but I think if you are to claim this you should say ISTP 5w4 with an incredibly strong tertiary Ni. Everyone except you knows how to avoid using brutal straw menEveryone except you, knows that INTJ are very individualistic. This is why in general IN_Js are far less introverted than IN_Ps. Yeah, Scotty itself is a great example of how light-hearted INTPs appear like, even when they go to war with most of the site, lol. While there has been rampant debate already on this site about where the origin of the emotion directed towards the goal of human liberation comes from within Annie (Fe or Fi), Annie's attempts at getting humans to understand the systems they live in clearly demonstrates Ni dominance. Alright Scotty, I can see how my initial post came across as necessarily overly dogmatic, but I'm going to go bit by bit here. They are wired to force others to question, to enlighten others, and to force others to change their views. Someone voted INFJ and ruined the balance. INTJ's individualism is very apparent but it's not because of Fi but Ni. Sam Harris (INxJ), and you can see this difference. Gotta go work. Even if not directly tested, public voting can provide good accuracy regarding Annie Clark Myers-Briggs and personality type!. Te looks more impartial because it's a judging function. @bobnickmad Yeah I think one of the interesting things about INFJ is they're able to come off like a thousand different things because of Fe if they have a good hold of it yk. Go to any high school computer club and you will see all ITs (no pun intended). Digital Witnesses is anti-Ti song, so not INFJ. com/st-vincent-infj-intj/ Reading through these comments (especially what this woman Piggie states is a great thing to watch). @Van Houten, addition allows you to treat each letter independently of the others, which is why I used it. I however respect you stance on the subject, it's easy and simplistic and you seem to find it helpful so more power to you. Despite this it is much less likely that an IN_P would be a true mirror for society. Apparently INJs just so calm, analytical, and intellectual while other types [like INPs. Also she has this roughness, coarseness, rawness to her I've never ever seen in an INFJ. That model is static while most of us use variations which are more close to how Jung would use them from time to time. The reason both INTP and INTJ seem reasonable is because she is clearly Ni dominant and on the Fe/Ti axis. While, you'd expect a female FJ to just come off as simply feminine all around. @Van Houten, the tertiary function stuff is a mess, I wouldn't even go there. :pAuxiliary and tertiary functions weren't even part of Jung's initial types and were only added later by subsequent theorists. It seems technology is fucking with us and we don't know what's real on here and what isn't anymore. I see absolutely zero Te. Where do you see her Ne btw. And to respond to maximillie, Digital Witness IS PRACTICALLY Ti. INT's Ni and Ti is their subjective functions. For example she says, "Awww, that's lame when there is really just us," and "there were never many cool kids in suburban Dallas", and will abruptly swear quite a few times. The Masseduction and other album looks have been far different. You are in the best place to test MBTI and learn what type Annie Clark likely is!. Although leaning towards INFJ. For Jung INJs were the same type more or less. Ni is more convergent which takes a lot of ideas and form a synthesis which is more subjective than Ne. 17/1 – 22:52 In the midst of describing how INJs are so practical (they won’t tell you to throw your phones in a trash can or live in a forest like [INxPs. Whether or not you like it is not my problem. Lol butterfly says that thephaxsi is basing things on "imaginative" whatever, yet butterfly's whole argument seems to rely on imagining Te that just isn't there whatsoever. Te is so much in than INTJs thought just as you speak of Fe being in an INFJs thought. In her "Track by Track" commentary regarding her most recent album she closely describes the way humans react to technology and emphasizes its non-neutral truth about how it colonizes our perception of reality, and as a whole warps human understanding to create a new sort of "faith. However, the major difference you describe (in being more attentive to her own self-image) doesn't even necessarily demonstrate a personality difference from David Byrne. IN_P is more likely to reveal their personal situation and through this let their truth or message speak out. Using someone's color preferences to type them is too silly and disjointed from their Myers-Briggs preferences to use accurately in any shape or form. @butterfly True. It's just a pattern I tend to notice in Se users in general. P more individualistic than J: so ESTP more individualistic than INTJ. Fi is individualistic in the sense that ''the same coat doesn't fit all'' in morals, because the ireconciable differences between different kinds of people. The stories are not necessarily ever stories or aren't ever necessarily about herself. @fuckboy how do you figure out which are for which. It is beyond clear that she is an iNtuitive and therefore I did not start from the notion that she could be SJ or NJ. what does Se have to do with pretty luminous colors. I think bobnick mentioned about how J types are more "classy", and I would agree especially in a more formal, presentable way. I'd think that both INTP and INTJ are the two types who value impersonality the most, and detach themselves from their thoughts on stuff. And I think in an interview where an INFJ is trying to be themselves they might seem less emotional and Fe because they aren't trying to interact with the interviewer so much as expose themselves (or not) and they dont on the inside tend to be as emotional in that way as IFPs. Vincent isn't one. Annie experiments w other characters that are not herself and uses bright but not so bright colors = INFJ. @Van Houten, that is just a completely circular argument. I think that's the problem. Disclaimer: last comment is only in line with mys system. Yeah, she dresses like an. Personally Annie's music seems much more detached from sentiment than this. The only appropriate way to type an Ni dominant type after noticing their Ni in conversation is through their systems/creations. INTJs are N dominant, they have superior Ni and Ne to INTPs and INTPs have inferior Fe and Fi usually. Next, to the point where you claim you "fix my post" you actually are not doing so. care to show examples of Fi vs Fe smile. Not only do they share close to nothing in common, but virtually any artist (especially INxx, and F and P to some degree) are likely to make comments such as that. I believe it shows more than the surface of the type which you seem happy to accept. How about this. That said I agree that using astrology is a a stupid way to differentiate Annie vs St. The entire monochromatic, robotic faux-reality that has been created there. ENTJ = 2 points, ISFP = 3 points (ISFP is more individualistic). For example an INTJ's Te is subject to how their vision and values are formed (Ni-Fi). But she sounds more Fe than Fi at times. A tinkerer focused on nuance: Ti over Te. It's obvious in the interviews, no responding body language that seeks to compromise, appease, or imitate other people whatsoever. Jung has expressly said all types use all fucntions so it's apparent Ni types will use both feeling and thinking to some extent as well. " To me this animalistic release of energy is more closely correlated with Se than Ne, as it is a more primal and grounded function. Due to Ne (which isn't really an individualism function), INTP want to keep options open. The message through music argument is much more complex. Honestly I think using the P J distinction with Annie is not good enough in itself to determine this difference because Annie seems to have integrated all her functions well and could thus appear at one moment P and one moment J. By the way thax, 7 are for INTP/INTJ, and 4 are for INFJ. I don't see Annie's rejection on the lines of being ideologically against college based on an inner judgment but an anxious attempt to put her course directly as she knew it must be. That model is static while most of us use variations which are more close to how Jung would use them from time to time. So I'm not surprised if many of female NTJs' music aren't just about subversive ideas like the male ones. The fact that she cries when she listens to it back makes me think this sounds most like Ni. What is the best option for the MBTI type of Annie Clark? What about enneagram and other personality types?. "Se users are usually drawn to overwhelming use of brighter and vivid colors""But since Annie Clark has inferior Se, it's more bland and stylishly futuristic, with Ni touch I think. As, for Fi, I don't know if it's true to say that Fi doesn't have universal principles, as there are values that Fi doesn't let anyone cross them. thephaxsi, click on Activity Last 100 on the top of the screen. She liked drawing and at five made her first guitar from cardboard and rubber bands. More than one function is individualistic sir. At one moment you are criticizing harping on details and another the opposite. I'm not well studied enough in the message of SM to properly comment on it but a great contrast I see between INP and INJ is the presence of Si. It's simply the piece that is missing. Even if she mostly uses Fi for her lyrics and emotional impact, there would be some traces of Te. You won't find INFJs in a computer science club. com/st-vincents-myers-briggs-type-now-revealed/. She keeps this to the studio and in interview situations acts emotional - which causes the stilted courteousness some people are suggesting is Fe. In terms of self-removing from society, yeah I do think P types are more likely to not care what society says and just sort of live their own true way or whatever. al) is very forthcoming with her emotions and understands how to explore them and use them to mediate her connections very carefully between herself and others. In her videos there are a lot of Se elements too, those bright luminous colors. So that, to me, seems INFJ. Why don't you start a blog called Bobterfly where you categorize people's cognition based on Google image search and fetishes. You're like his clone or something. Perhaps an INFP but she seems to be playing directly off this woman and reacting how she wants her to. Since you have no shadow of a doubt, maybe you could illuminate us on how you overcame this doubt to where it doesn't even have a shadow left. Can't really tell she is Te or Ti. I have a different challenge for you: What is a female INTJ if St. She doesn't get that at all. PS: Annie and David in their own words, as a reminder "Annie Clark: We both think of music in terms of riddle and form, like a puzzle to be figured out in terms of construction. She's definitely not an Fe user. Don't ruin it. I am not sure if i make sense lol, I tried I promise. That would be insulting, and stupid. I think even the most true believers in the G-B model would say that INTJs don't "extrovert" their "thinking" to the degree of ENTJs for example. Do you consider her songs an example of this. Absolutely agree that providing someone with the information to reach their own conclusions is a very Ji thing, but I would say that many INJs provide data in a similar way to how you are saying ISJs do in that the data can be used to favor a certain perspective that the ideological center of that type would prefer. In YT interview in Studio Q, she says that she finishes whatever she's doing no matter if it makes sense to her or not; she'll check it next day. < Kate Bush, by the way, is surely an INFP. On the other hand she's kind of distant and "takes herself very seriously", careful both with her words and poses. Wide smile instead of high smile: Fe over Fi. This rings especially true of the INFJ. Diamanda Galas is an INTJ but she practically only wears black—is it because she's only relying on her dominant Ni. Se users are usually drawn to overwhelming use of brighter and vivid colors, think about those ESxP artists like Katy Perry, Nicki Minaj, Miley Cyrus, etc. INT's Ni and Ti is their subjective functions. Finally Annie Clark's philosophy at the end, I don't think it's particularly Fi or Fe (though I guess it can be speculated that there is something Fi+Te about looking for music that speaks directly to you and then wanting to recreate that for others), but I think the way she explains it is very Fi. Meanwhile she exhibits Fi (the quirkiness, several concrete examples from interviews) and some subdued Te (harsh outbursts with swearing, songs with combative themes). Anyway I see her as INJ because she has a very sobre image consciousness, an INP can be into fashion but they would take themselves less serious. It is true that a guardian as well would take on a similar approach to suggestion we maintain the systems we live under and not tweak them as Annie does. INFJs are maybe the most likely to be anti-Ti out of INFJ, INTJ, and INTP because they fear over-rationalization getting in the way of their intuitive thought process. Someone tell me who the fuck is that random girl. That blog mentioned Kate Bush as one which is ridiculous to me, but do you have one. Sorry about what you interpret as gaslighting. I think there is something stilted, awkward about her Fe. I feel like lots of the different perspectives in this article have been a result of these exact clashes. Scotty's right that she's a perceiver. It's pretty simple, but you can always make up a bullshit system to make it sound more special than it is. The only sentiment in Annie's music seems to be the moments of energy release which are akin to the aforementioned inferior Se. I feel an INJ would be more likely to sort of put on a nice face and then punch a wall in frustration when nobody is looking, because it simply isn't practical to piss people off with your stubbornness. That aesthetic was crafted to be like that. Se can't be activating into doing in an INJ because it is repressed. I get the feeling that most people with her attitude (which seems more like an INTP one than anything) would be completely unproductive but she is one of the lucky few that isn't. Annie does not live out a truth authentically to lead by example. com/music/2014/feb/02/st-vincent-interview-intersection-accessible-lunatic-david-byrneOh also please don't take this as me endorsing this blog or its attempts to connect astrology with mbti. She could be a more rigid INFJ or a more warm INTJ, but she doesn't act like an INTP. It's like striations of T in a sea of F. I believe INTPs are individualistic in their logic because they have Ti in dominance. Yeah I agree with y'all that Cara is ENFP the only thing that really seems ESFP about her on first glance are her eyes, which seem to hold Se and not Si in them. This is the kind of over-intellectualized comment made in order to justify function axis I started to become weary of again. That's vanilla. Of course you could say Ni might cause some disruption to Te here, but I'm seeking to understand the argument as to where this comes from. I didn't say they have to be in computer sciences field, though, but personal addiction, especially those in Ni-Ti loop. ) Also I don't know most artists you mentioned so I couldn't comment on that, except Adele, and it could be due to her trying to make herself look smaller (no offense, just something most overweight women do to be presentable and stylish at the same time). These things add up logically in my mind and have practical manifestation too. Steady gaze instead of wandering eyes: Se over Si. The point is that a cognitive pattern can have different manifestations and you just choose to type based on stupid sensory stereotypes that really have nothing to do with cognition, based on some voodoo crap like aesthetic aura lol. Both sides are equally individualistic in their own way. #Butterfly, True, it could be a being a female TJ thing, it's not unexpected for female T types to put some feminine characteristics but still come of as rather cold despite of it. Perfection is everything on time, in tune, not a hair out of place. It is a hodgepodge of various interpretations Grant-Brownsword model that people generally use. Music "obsessed" her. Nor are INFJs really addicted to computer stuffs. I-N-T-P are individualistic for Ti reasons, I-N-T-J for Ni reasons. I've never insinuated as such, but this is my belief. Or is she not in touch with her tertiary Se. Fe in the auxiliary equates to matching to the environment to act a certain way, but never revealing the true ego (Ni or Si). If anything enneagram 4 likes beauty for beauty's sake and many INFPs who don't use ~*Se*~ are E4 What I meant is the bright colors used, not the beauty for beauty's sake like Fi. But since Annie Clark has inferior Se, it's more bland and stylishly futuristic, with Ni touch I think. That is some very visible Ni there. Different combination of function work different together. There is a little of a trend here which I don't think is helping things, like with the "INTJ-sounding music" category. Oh also, I was perusing around online and that blog Stellar Maze that some people love and others hate decided she was an INFJ. I'd love to think INTP but I know an INTUITIVE DOMINANT when I see one. We manipulate guitar sounds to sound like [other] instruments. BASTARD YOU WILL PAY FOR THIS. INTPs think like robots, but they act like average nerds, lol. e that combination gives them a functional stack. She calls herself a weirdo and says stuff like, "I have a sneaking suspicion that everybody has dark thoughts, but maybe doesn't say them", and made an album about her mother's cancer. So I'm kind of undetermined in how to type that. "She is an Ni-dom. If you start at 1:50 by 2:00 you will notice how much she clearly introverts thinking when describing her process of rationalizing the fact that there "was no wind. I have no clue how people think she is a judging type, unless they are just Ni fetishists who type her as such cause of some bullshit like "mystical aura". @Van Houten, the reason why no 2 INTJs are the same is because no 2 people are the same. I find her fascinating, but for INFJ argument, I don't see any of her Fe. An INTP I know will go hang out with these people with the most disgusting values and insincerely "talk shit" with them when hanging out, just because that's what you do to get along with those people. *Fe in the dominant equates to Fe in the ego. Jesus, peoples. I think what differentiates INTJs from INFJs is a combination of Te-Fi and Fe-Ti and not F/T dichotomy alone. It can be so detached that you don't even know what exactly you're grasping at until you have it. Yeah, if you adopt your anti-reality function model and interpretation, then what you say will be the case, but I am not working from that framework, because I don't believe in bullshit. So how about that Guardian article. But, whatever. This is the exact reason CT made the mistake that Heidegger was an ISTJ, because they read too much into the manner of his projection of truth which at times seemed to suggest Si and not the truth itself. Not because they are complex in themselves but because it takes longer to decipher an introvert's inner functioning. And that's not a 100000% INFJ thing to do (demonstrate respect) but the way annie does this does not seem INTJ at all to me. Fe smiles with the entire face like this:. It's nothing like that of INFPs per say but it's there to see. Also “bland and stylishly futuristic” describes herNear Future Cult Leader persona for the St. Is it your personal gauge or did you use a source you could point me to. Personally I believe songs like Digital Witness and Huey Newton bring out a non neutral and uncompromising perspective that more aligns with Je/Pi than Ji/Pe bringing to truth. Everything can be broken down in like two seconds. "@bobnickmad (the rest of the things are addressed to thephaxsi): People who should be typed the same come in many different forms. Combined with a theoretical disposition, this seems like a textbook case of INxJ - which is a typing most are in agreement about here. There are no, "Ah, so she's kind of like. Saying that Ni-Te-Fi and Ni-Ti-Fe is INTJ and Ni-Fe-Ti- and Ni-Fi-Te is INFJ makes not much sense to me except for how the letters are structured. What you are speaking to in going to college seems like a plan and not the lack of one. I don't believe this is enough, though. I agree with bobnickmad on the account that Si's security seeking ways can appear very different from INTJs who are more likely to show individualism but I think even ISTJs have a very personal value system which they mostly apply to personal matters. The next part of this topic I must preface by clearing something up: I am not attempting to say IN_Js realize things IN_Ps do not but that their manner of expressing and dealing with them is necessarily different due to their cognitive function makeup. What a clear INFJ. However, that is just one piece of the puzzle, even in that interview (which is a very good and revealing one by the way). We both agree she is clearly an INxJ type. I think you're right it does most correlate to this but a certain type of INFJ could also write this if they choose not to exude much Fe and have a strong Ti. I just wanted to know if you knew of any other INTJ musicians to which to compare her. Annie's "animalistic" stage moments clearly fall under this category and are far different from an INTPs. She talks about her aversion to college and why she never finished because it was so painfully structured. Look at the video for Actor Out of Work and think of how she describes that experience. That is the problem. Scotty, I respect your calls for the possibility of Ti dominance. In all fairness, I did find this prior to coming here, but there's a funny twist in this story of me being one of the commenters/debaters. You are supposed to stick as close as you can to concrete, revealing details. 'Tis forbidden. My point, thephaxsi, is not that you're not allowed to have a different view than mine, but that imo you are not playing by the rules. It is much less likely than an IN_P would play the role Annie does of uprooting the listener's reality directly and much more likely than an IN_P would show from experience or possibility what things are possible as a result of current societal trends. Kinda like those INFP writers who have such good/clear SiKinda like those INFP writers who have such good/clear SiKinda like those INFP writers who have such good/clear SiKinda like those INFP writers who have such good/clear SiI think it's anti-Ti because she did say something like "internet is lame", and the concept of the MV is really dated, something that has been done like 20-30 years ago. INFJ without any shadow of a doubtHow do you reconcile typing her as a Judger. You can point to cases like Plato who pretty clearly demonstrates Ni-Fe-Ti, but that is ONE person. @bobnickmad, yeah you can say one is more individualistic, because INTP also have Ne-aux which isn't anti-individualism like Te. What's more is that IN_Ps are, as you initially said, usually able to leave and take action to live through some sort of truth or peace outside of society. I think I've pretty consistently argued why Annie Clark must be an INTJ despite subdued Te in earlier messages, which I recommend reading again. It's not really "struggling" to fit society's expectations as much as the outright rejection of them for the sake of being free and unbound. INFJs it's decided are Fe (and since this Fe isn't dominant so it's binary function isn't inferior either), so if we are accepting the theorist to use auxiliary function, why not go a step further and accept their stance on tertiary function as well. Well put Straw. When INPs dance it looks awkward, but it still looks like they really enjoy themselves, she's moving like a robot. In Annie's case, however, this manifestation of body energy once again ties back into the idea of her individual momentous exertion of anger/physical force rperesenting human struggle to liberate truth and demonstrate the power of the constructions we live in, while not emphasizing the belief that we can constantly live outside of them as an IN_P might.
. Yeah, due to their IN / Ni traits. In this site you can find out which of the 16 types this character 'Annie Clark' belongs to!. You don't need functions for that. annietheINTP: why is Ne more individualistic than Te. Here you can explore of famous people and fictional characters.. 17/1 – 22:47 Same as above. For every Plato, there are so many people who don't fit that model. The function also cannot be accessed without the auxiliary first, and we know that Annie plans out and performs her shows in specific detail which alllows her to "experience the moment. Donald Trump thinks Annie Clark is INTJ. This to me shows a difference between IN_J and IN_P. INFs (rather than INPs, as authenticity is more of a priority to moralists) are much more likely to "lead by example" in this case, taking some action to free themselves and in doing so what their truth is and to live out that truth authentically. To me Annie's Ni seems ever present so I am still going for INFJ with well developed Ti, but my second best guess would be ISTP with great Ni. Her lyrics do not have anything personally against the technology as a Pe type's might, but attempt to demonstrate the essence of technology in a Heiddeggerian sense (IN_J). Look at who all the Enneagram 4's are. Her body languages didn't associate with others, no empathy reactions, etc. To me that kind of dancing just seems like a Pe thing, letting the present moment sort of take her wherever. Therefore both are detached in that sense. That to me is a really good example of how any deals with logic and is just so indicative of Ti over Te. @Van houten, are you kidding me. When we open up for the kind of (imo) speculative analysis you are doing, it's more or less possible to justify any type. I don't really get that impression from Annie. But she's parodying idol fashion so she's still Ne, right. Typing by music only makes sense as far as "it is hard to imagine [type]'s cognitive process producing [music]" But this whole thing about what she is wearing is completely killing any intelligent discussion. I realize that the two people that keeps the argumentation going, thephaxsi and scotty, have completely different MBTI systems than I do, but in fact most people who come here, I believe, except the model which I'm trying very hard to adhere to. It also could be an Ni vs Ne thing as well. Meanwhile INTJ are Ni-Fi , as Ni-doms they don't need anything to give them a sense of security except following the sequence of events that makes sense in their head, thus Ni-dominance accentuates the individualism of Fi, rather than suppress it like in ISTJ. I would say she has clear and apparent Ne traits in response to your "clear Ni dominance" though. Btw, INFJs are interested in humanities as a rule yes, but their Ti is their "aspiring" function, so many INFJs are addicted to computer stuffs, and wanted to be better at Ti. The arguments in what you posted are so similar that it's either your blog, thephaxsi, or you took the argumentation from that place. Vincent's type. If anything INTJs followed by INTPs would be the ones who "do not show any true sense of self to the world". I don't think Annie Clark is really that difficult to type, at least not from a pure functions point of view, but an artistic INTJ is rare in itself; an artistic, female INTJ is a unicorn, so there is little to compare Annie Clark to. Thinking – Feeling, represents how a person processes information. Thinking means that a person makes a decision mainly through logic.. What is even J about that. Annie does not live out a truth authentically to lead by example. XD Anyway, that blogger (whether it's you or not) literally uses ASTROLOGY to justify Annie Clark is an INFJ above an INTJ which is precisely the kind of argumentation I've been criticizing, that is so abstract and over-elaborate that I'm no longer certain its results have anything to do with the subject matter at hand. So you are saying it has more to do with the combination of letters than individual letters alone, am I right sir. INTJs also derive their individuality from tertiary Fi which gives them a much more personalized world view and value system which they then intend to implement. ISTJ are Si-Fi, so their values are strongly linked to some path that gives them security, which means some kind of institution or organization that can give them that sense of security. I find her fascinating, but for INFJ argument, I don't see any of her Fe. I also have no clue how you are using this Ni/Se concept. INTPs are well known for their brilliant theories and unrelenting logic, which makes sense since they are arguably the most logical minded of all the personality types.. Obviously there are different kinds of INFJs and a lot don't suppress Ti, but an artist would probably be especially likely to, because their profession can get by with only the top 2 functions. While her third type is clearly behind the other two it is an important type to her and can be seen mixing with her second type in songs like "Cheerleader. INTJs are interested in ideas and theories when observing the world.. I do favor factor models (like the 6-factor HEXACO) over binary models, but I do think there is an advantage of expressing 4 factors in binary form: it's simple and takes up less "memory". lol Idk I thought she might be highly intuitive ISFP. INFJ Learn to visual type, kids. One type (INTP/INTJ) may be slightly more prone to Annie's methods here, on average, but this is hardly a major differentiating factor. David Byrne: Yeah, we take an intellectual approach to song construction. What #thephaxsi says is just N period, not NJ or NP, just N. P type in a nutshell: "I wanted to move to New York and have fun. Well people, the gospel of Annie Clark rings true. I find that INPs as a result of tertiary Si are much more likely to allow for their personal stories to serve as a basis for letting the god of truth pour out. And if someone is basically going Ni-Fi, then it makes sense to say their auxiliary is Fi. Ne is free flowing, it jumps from idea to idea, it actually multiplies ideas. s were supposed to be crying emojis how embarrass Ng. The result of this is seen from Elvis Depressedly (INFP) to Courtney Barnett (INTP). Anyway, I'm not going to get into a discussion about this again. No, you don't owe me an explanation. I think the things I've been saying stick with this video. That sounds like embracing Ne. If cognitive patterns didn't have common practical manifestations it would be almost impossible to type people the way people do on this site, lol. Completely by the letters, and completely simple. I never said that all Se users need to use a lot of colors. The main attempt of my comment is to show that Annie has a PERSPECTIVE that is Pi-Je. Compared that with Ventus, which is an example of a courteous INTJ on this site, and he always comes off as very serious even when friendly. No two people being same has no implication on two distinct types which are more similar to variants of other types than their own. You'll often findSeiko Oomori drowning herself in a bright palette of colors ranging from hot pink to eye-popping orange but she's a very clear ENFP.
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