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No need to strawman me here and say that I am ignorant because I only think Ne types explore ideas. Sure you can link his interest in Nietzsche, Crowley, Jung, Mishima etc to Ni. I'm an awful liar. In my view, ENFP have actually more Se than INFJ. He considers his creations to be acting roles with a combination of many external influences. EON, thank you for taking the time to respond. It's really isn't anything scientifically established, so no reason to cling to it. @Bobnickmad I respect what you say about the power of Fi, but once again I believe it is imperative that we look within the overall vision of the worker to see how it is relating to the function stack and the ego. The same thing with the need for change that characterizes Bowie. I think it's close but his comfort with letting musicians in the studio do their own thing and lack of control in terms of musicianship seems quite Fe. INFJ confirmed. Thom Yorke, an so/sp 4, went from 90's alt rock to experimental electronic music. Type 3 elitism is feeling more rich, successful, and famous than others. It's good you brought Bob Dylan into discussion, who btw I don't see as ISFP 4 but IxTP 4. " Tbh idles quotes are almost having me lean that way but INFP definitely seems likely as well. Peter Gabriel still ENFP to me. Ne musicians are actually much more likely to stick to one thing, like John Lennon, Kurt Cobain, Morrissey, etc etc, because they have Si. The search for the Holy Grail. So, Intuitive, lead with extroverted perception: clear Ne-dom. "@Schmendrick You mentioned that when Bowie created Blackstar at the end of his life when his functions were all developed. Any interview (when he's not on cocaine) shows a man obsessed with future possibilities and abstract thoughts. Look at her discography. David Bowie, 1969 interview: "This country is crying out for a leader. v=H7Sgq0XoxPw. Lanois had to lock him down to finish the lyrics of one song. He is this way all the time, and is SO Ne that he uses this "silly device" to come up with things he himself wouldn't have thought of, that's how out of the box he is. To quote Carl Jung, on Introverted Intuitive dominants: "The peculiar nature of introverted intuition, when given the priority, also produces a peculiar type of man, the mystical dreamer and seer on the one hand, or the fantastical crank and artist on the other. But if you look at social 4s, their music style has and will alway change. and I think ENTP is more likely (how can a ISFP could be typed a 3 so clearly, it doesn't make sense. Remember that Iggy Pop once said that Bowie knew everyone in Berlin and was a social bee, much more extraverted than himself. "Taken from Cultural Disasters' article "The Elusive INFJ":"INFJs Are Not Who You Think They AreThey’re social chameleons, like Mystique from X-Men, they can observe and take on the shape and form (behaviors and mannerisms) of any other type. I can't say that life'spainsor more tragic episodes have been diminished because of it. She's ESTP 3w4. INFJ 4s chameleon themselves in characters/personas so as to protect their vulnerable, highly sensitive nature. Still, while I agree with Ni, that does not make him a J (and like I said, I no longer type by function stacks). So I stripped myself down, chucked things out and replaced them with a completely new personality. Lana Del Rey, Jimi Hendrix, M. So I was never unaware as my strength as an interpretative performer. ENXP for sure, I mean just look at him. But writing a song for me, it never rang true. I want to be a superhuman", "People are so fucking dumb"; visionary Ni-dom: "Tomorrow belongs to those who can hear it coming", "The moment you know you know you know"; adoration towards Fi-doms: "I rate Morrissey (Steven Patrick Morrissey) as one of the best lyricists in Britain. It a characteristic of someone who feels entraped by consistency; the anthises of an IxxJ who's a person that naturally values both internal (I) and external consistency (J). ENTPs I know are the opposite, their Fe making them warmer. I changed my vote that very same day; I'm that fast. That's what Bowie is all about. David Bowie, 1993 interview: "I was interested in the symbols of the Nazis. Through introverted intuition he manages to link the humanistic qualities between these two seemingly unrelated characters. In fact, that's the whole point of ,,No Direction Home'' by Martin Scorsese, there is no Bob Dylan the person, just the name under which the many faces of the same artist are brought together. Ok you've convinced me ISFP. Introverted intuition reflects on patterns, relationships, symbols, meanings, and perspectives on matters from complex phenomena to magical connections to practical problems. Anyway Se/Ni over Ne dom for Bowie does not make any sense. Jim Morrison was another ENFP with an effortless rock-star persona. lots of copying and pasting involved, but since scotty asked how deep Bowie got with his ideas/obsessions as his "singular focus", I'll copy all that info from his interviews here. '' gets to be typed as a J by default as in Bowie's case, or to be considered a Fi-dom in Dylan's case. Once a third person has joined any kind of conversation or group that was originally supposed to be for me and one other I instantly go into observer/listener mode and don't actively try to participate. That may seem paradoxical, but ENFP are also often taken for xSFP because of their lack of concentration and care of details (inferior Si) while ENTPs have fewer chances of passing for a Se user. A beautiful story on the writing of under pressure, told by Brian May (most probably ISFJ, so inferior Ne) which further indicates Bowie was a Ne dom. I think it's that same evasion of talking about one's own feelings, that creates this misunderstanding where others stereotypically see INFJs as "mysterious", "otherwordly", and "elusive". All those songs are about herself using plenty of first-person pronouns. That song is yet another way. And when he was singing, he’d take the pose. Despite Bowie not promoting "Low" whatsoever and receiving harsh reviews from critics upon its release, to this day it is considered one of the greatest albums ever made. Also, think what Bowie's career is all about: it's constant change and re-invention. She does not have issues writing songs about herself. ENFP 4w3 sx/so. They enjoy tinkering with ideas, perspectives, theories, visions, stories, symbols, and metaphors. People are alwaysthrowing things at me that I've said and I say that I didn't mean anything. Always moving in a very dynamic way. I don’t think anyone knew him. « Sometimes I must fight against the idea that what is familair is necesarly mediocre » (1999). See here for Levels of Development for type 4. Or we can even look at the sexual 4s. I saw the National Front and it was obvious to me: There was a Nazi Party in England. Regardless of whatever definition you are able to scrape up (there's hundreds of descriptions for each function, each of which can be used to support a particular type), wouldn't you say the idea of collecting ideas like Bowie described to be more of a Ne thing, in general. and seemingly skipping from genre to genre and style to style, fearlessly. Here you can explore of famous people and fictional characters.. Agree with matejko, he was a true individualist artistic type. Not a wishy-washy kind of fey, flower-child thing, but a very medieval, firm-handed masculine God awareness where we go out and make the world right again. Ain't that just like him. It's somewherebetween the two. My main issues here are:. But I would question anyone who said they really knew him. Dylan and Bowie left themselves at the whims of their own imagination and perceptions of things and where it lead them. When David Bowie creates characters, like Ziggy Stardust for example, his intentions with the character are to explore that character's psyche, what motivates that character, what naive idealistic expectations that character may have, what that character's inevitable downfall might be (example: Ziggy commits suicide) , as well as what emotional state that character is in. "From Ian Cogdell's 'The Nine Dots': "The Jungian focus of this E-pattern is Introverted Intuition. People like him and Annie Clark I like to lable "Nz" types because they flip back and forth in terms of where their intuition is directed. There /are/ people I can definitely see it solidly for (e. David Bowie explaining his stage-play version of Ziggy Stardust:. Bowie didn't see himself as an extrovert. "The West is going to have a Hitler. @idlebody I was reading a couple of Evan Rachel Wood interviews, and she being a person obsessed with David Bowie said that Tilda Swinton (whom she also admires) was like a female version of Bowie. When I think fo Bowie, I associate him with people like Dali, Fellini, Welles, an the more I look the more I consider ENFP over ENTP, but ISFP I can't see. '"Edmonds: "When you first started doing the Ziggy Stardust character, before it got to the point where you. Before his death, in his song Blackstar, he once again plays the role of a preacher. Read his Proust questionnaire, pure Ne humour. I can switch accents within seconds of meeting somebody -- I can adopt their accent. I'm just a very good actor. I don't agree at all with him having ISFP traits, I think that whole ISFP thing is a joke considering that Bowie is the embodiment of Ne. I'm sure he's a 3w4 as well, which correlates more often with ENxP than ISFP. IMO the fact that Bowie was a chameleon, a great impersonator, shows he is definitely not INFJ. Never really have. I just don't feel comfortable with more than two people. Tony DeFries did all that he could to keep "Low" from being released, but Bowie managed to have it released anyway. But the crank contents himself with the intuition by which he himself is shaped and determined. Rest in peace. I'll change my vote to INFP 4w3 for Bowie, tough I still think ambiverted fits him best, because I can't see how someone who ,,stops at perception; perception is his principal problem, and -- in the case of a productive artist-the shaping of perception. The name itself refers to someone with the ability of adjusting with ease toward external condition and behavior, that is extroverted characteristics, so while an INFJ may be the most ''social chameleon''-like of the introverts, several extroverted types would still outclass it. I understand that the things I associate with Ne in his behaviour could be seen as Se evidence. On drugs, once you started talking you never stopped - whether there was anybody with you or not. (Ex)Fan of Brian Molko and Arcade Fire, both NF. I'm glad Bowie is finally getting validation as an INFJ. You don't seem to have a good grasp on what Ni is in cognitive theory. Okay, that kind of obsession would fit how a lot of people look at Ni, although it'd be more like Ji in Jung-based functions. He's not storing personalities in his head to use for later on, he's saying that he's literally changing his behavior and his accent in real-time when in the presence of another. David Bowie: "I always thought that I should change all the time … I know for a fact that my personality now is totally different to what it was then. It was this Arthurian need, this search for a mythological link with God. I don't even take what I am seriously"; Ni-dom: "I always had a repulsive need to be something more than human. This site is broken. com/thomson/type2. This is something that good singer-songwriters understand. the quotes confirmed it. I believe it was good- the best way to fight an evil force is to caricature it. They work together, and one just feeds off the other. In an interview with Stevens he mentions that he usually takes from his own experience as a starting point and speaks of characters from there. "Carl Jung: "There is no coming to consciousness without pain. His songs are nowhere close to the cryptic nature of Bowie's catalog of music. : "The only art I’ll ever study is stuff that I can steal from". Since when has Madonna had difficulty writing songs about herself. Hmm, I'm not convinced :p ENTPs have inferior Si too, so why wouldn't they also be taken for SPs. mysterymeat are you the admin changing our votes to INFJ. In order to create a new person, then, the introverted feeler must in some way be using an intuitive function to do so, but in the way you describe would clearly be Ne: creating a tangible character based on a certain emotion. Ni-dom is hollistic, they stick to whatever vision they have of their art, and while it changes, it changes by becoming more complex, not by jumping from one thing to another. I thought, Fuck that. For INFJs who value both Ni and Fe, they can switch between personas to suit whomever they encounter. The idea of shapeshifting is present in the oldest forms oftotemismandshamanism, as well as the oldest extant literature andepic poems, including works such as theEpic of Gilgameshand theIliad, where the shapeshifting is usually induced by the act of adeity. Bowie seems to marvel at Iggy's spontaneity and quick mind. N and P are the clearest letters. This will be my last comment on Bowie's type. @Schmendrick Oh sorry. I really feel like where I'm at now is where there's no line between what's on the album and what's in reality. "Francis Whately: "The David Bowie that I knew in my limited way was incredibly courteous, was incredibly polite, well informed, utterly charming. Where does he show exploring it with depth. Everybody's plastic, but I love plastic. Bob Dylan is still writing straightforward Fi-Se-Ni songs. It's Enneagram 4 type's defense mechanism. When I wrote the thing, I was so unlike Ziggy Stardust. The comparison is still valid in my view since we can see that 82% of people on this site voted that she is an Ni dominant. Bowie has always been about trends, envisioning the future, see his interview with Jeremy Paxman about the internet. And yes, one can argue that he "learned to be more self-aware as he got older", but Bowie's been writing self-aware music since his adolescence. So much experimentalism in fact that even iconoclastic 5w4 artists like Scott Walker and Trent Reznor praised him for his fearlessness. What that post manages to prove is that Bowie is N-dom. ISFP is a stupid typing due to CT. I found that I'd taken back to England with me a character who was the epitome of everything that it looked like could be happening to England. They never stuck to one thing, just like Bowie. I'm still very unsure wether Bowie is ENTP or ENFP. Tony Visconti tells us that Where are we now is very far from Bowie’s nature. He was about 24 years old when he wrote it. He absorbs emotions from whoever he's with. And that became obsessive with me. artistic self-expression and originality were more important to him than achievement and success. He then leaves one vision for his art for another (Ne-dom) but while at it, he embodies that particular vision in time (Fi). I think it's less what of the 16 types is he and more which ENxP is he. But exploring possibilities =/= exploring ideas. Go on youtube and search Enneagram tritype 478 and you'll find a video that describes David Bowie's unique personality combination. In the mid to late 1970's, he told interviewers about his obsession with writing characters for his songs that are based on Adolf Hitler. My comment prior to this was more re: the light oversimplification tends to put 3s in in general than anything else, for the record, but re: Bowie, I'm not actually trying to fight your typings, for what it's worth. Still, while I agree with Ni, that does not make him a J (and like I said, I no longer type by function stacks). He was an artist who took a great deal of risk. "Material Girl", "Bad Girl", "Erotica", "Survival", "I'd Rather be Your Lover", "Inside Of Me", "Drowned World". that's where I was at in the early '70s. When the infinites arrive, they take bits of Ziggy to make themselves real because in theiroriginal state they are anti-matter and cannot exist on our world. But from the 90's he supported download and was deeply interested in the internet revolution. Gabriel is often mistyped as a 4, but he is a clear 9w1 sx. The Se is however subordinated to Ne so it's usually not apparent. It's part of the shell that I've always built up around myself. A very early example, I suppose, is Space Oddity. Someone who finds it easier to write for others than about himself =/= MBTI Fi-dom. He was very specific about who he was interested in. v=YOBQBbqSs1gLet's Dance was Bowie's most commercially successful album, but he regards it as his worst album. I think you're confusing the word "exploring" with Ne. Ni doms are way more focussed and have a strong consciousness of their visions (they even tend to dislike dispersion). If you want to compare ENFP Bowie to someone who really has a similar career and is without a doubt INFJ, go see Peter Gabriel. I've yet to see a clear defense for Ne-Bowie. His self-referential humour and constant joking is also very Ne. Her identity, feelings, and values are easily identifiable in her music and her memoirs. mysterymeat, you make good points on him being more of a Ni type than a Ne type, specially how it takes him him allot to write a song, which is more true for an introverted process. I also find you can also see a bit Bowie's Fe on display there when, before answering the question, he asks Iggy not once but twice if it's ok for him to answer on Iggy's behalf. ""Usually I avoid any kind of interaction if it will eventually result in more than myself and another person. "Bowie: "It did snowball itself. v=Q3L58KyHC_M@bobnickmad Yay. the guy was a unique artistic provocateur. Ziggy is advised in a dream by the infinites to write the coming of a starman, so he writes "Starman," which is the first news of hope that the people have heard. And The Man Who Sold World. v=PJ0o5Y05wKsI feel as if the case of "Low" being evidence for 4 > 3 needs more context considering you mentioning yourself that Bowie didn't actively promote it in combination with its initially being reviewed harshly. The reason why his Ne is well-developed is because he has a 7-fix in his tritype. That's what Ziggy was. The reason why 3s are associated with artifice is because the 3s sin is deceit (deceit with themselves and others). This is unrelated to Bowie, but I'd type Iggy Pop a sexual 4 after watching this interviewwhere he states that he would cut himself impulsively on stage with shards of glass because he felt ashamed. ENFP are: Ne-Fi-Fe-Se-Ni-Te-Ti-Si. After that, he obfuscated himself in songs with multiple character perspectives, metaphors and symbolism. Enneagram 3 elitism is different. It's all wrapped up in one of those stereotypical 'Johnny' songs: Johnny does this, Johnny does that — in this particular one he's hauled up as the most mundane, philistine elements of what everybody hates about America. On a more controversial note, I re-tough the MBTI function order in order to make it fit better with my personal observations, and use all 8 functions in a more logical arrangement, rather than holistic and simplified function axes. Also, too many sheeples on this website. In fact, that's the whole point of ,,No Direction Home'' by Martin Scorsese, there is no Bob Dylan the person, just the name under which the many faces of the same artist are brought together. Why is that the ''social chameleon'' role has been asigned to an introverted type. I'm talking about the 9 health levels of 4. In the song, he writes about the feelings and perspectives of two different characters. " Oh, EON, I just thought of one more thing in relation to what you said about how Ne likes to change things up and not stay with things for too long. This marks an extremely uncanny ability that you INFJ folk have. "His obsession with Hitler started very early in his career. " To give you an idea of the responses given by other INFJs in that topic:"Only all the time. He was certainly ambiverted as many ENFPs and INFJs can be, but he was an introvert with a social instinct which made him seem more outgoing and extroverted than he actually was. Marilyn Manson is xNTP, so wouldn't that make him an Ne user. The starmen that he is talking about are called the infinites, and they are black-hole jumpers. In the interview I'm linking below, David Bowie evades questions about his own feelings because, just like Nick Cave (INFJ), he's not terribly in touch with his own feelings. Wanting to entertain, Fe: "I don't know where I'm going from here, but I promise it won't be boring"; non existant Fi: "I'm always amazed that people take what I say seriously. He started off strictly as a fictional character. The two singers could not hear each other while performing). Taken from the INTPs over at theINTPforum. First, to answer why Bowie was an introvert, not an extrovert. I stil can see him as a very conceptual ENFP, maybe in the range of a Jim Morrison or in a way John Lennon might have been, the trouble is that I sometimes spot Ti in his behaviour. Back in the early 1970s before Ziggy Stardust, Bowie wrote the Ni-Ti song "Quicksand" on Hunky Dory. David was more taking it all in and always studying everybody. Intensification of intuition naturally often results in an extraordinary aloofness of the individual from tangible reality; he may even become a complete enigma to his own immediate circle. INFJ have inferior Se,which causes a fascination with Se, but when INFJ try to get into Se directly it requires lots of effort, think of Marlyin Manson, and his grotesque display of Se. Anyway, I'm not sure I should argue since I think I've made fair enough arguments before on this page and you seem to have an opposite consideration of Fe/Fi seing how you always type (Bergman page and all). In that same interview below, David Bowie said this about Los Angeles: "I went to Los Angeles and I lived there for a couple of years. And I've always seemed to just collect personalities, ideas. That's generally how it is for Ni types. Until he met Iman, Bowie suffered from terrible shyness since childhood. I think he is ENFP, and people only judge his characters or personas and don’t type David Jones but more of Ziggy or Thin White Duke. The genesis of the idea actually comes from his song Somebody Up There Likes Me, Bowie states: 'One of the most interesting songs on the new album is "Somebody Up There Likes Me," a warning about the danger of hero worship. You are in the best place to test MBTI and learn what type David Bowie likely is!. I remember him recording I’m Afraid of Americans and saying, after one of the early takes, ‘No, he’s got to be more self-doubting than that. "As with all introverts, INFJs’ and INTJs’ first order of business is an internal one. I don't see how his fascination with cult leaders and Hitler figures rules out NP types, after all a lot of famous spiritual or "cult" leaders in recent history (L. "Sure, ENFPs do like to change things up in the external world, but why would a type that values Introverted Feeling change personalities. If anything, that just puts the last nail in the idea that he could be anything like ISFP. @Scotty No sir it is a technique so that you pronounce the letters slower. personalitypathways. It reflects the way he thinks. "I lived a lot in my imagination. Human rights of LGBT in the 70's, post-Cold War division of Germany, post-hippie depression, black equality, the list goes on. I don't understand the ENTP votes. Elliot Smith was a sp/sx 4 and his music stayed folk/bluesy. That sounds awfully like the language you use to describe high Fi, but in fact, the way he uses it, and the purpose are to understand the nature of how emotions impact reality. Also, Fi because IMO he really embodies his art. A healthy 4 lets go of the belief that they are missing something that others have. EON, I'd be curious to know what you think of Bowie's personality in this video here where he describes his friend Iggy Pop's songwriting process compared to his own. He didn't do press or publicity for Low, he didn't even have a tour for it. Some life force. I see him as a super-in-control, well-developed ISFP, but do also see where ENFP would come from. Who was the black magician. His work makes no reference to Charles Manson or any of those other leaders you've listed. 4s are linked to 1s and 2s. A lot of people don't accept David Bowie as a 4w3 simply because they find him "too charming" to be a 4, but the reality is that 4w3 so/sx is the most charming, humorous, and sexually appealing of all type 4 stackings. ,,The latter might be regarded as the normal case, since there is a general tendency of this type to confine himself to the perceptive character of intuition. Jung theorized that the dominant function acts alone in its preferred world: exterior for extraverts and interior for introverts.. He created Ziggy, a new-age preacher character with a messiah complex. More like the power of cock. "David Bowie, 1993 interview: "My other fascination with the Nazis was their search for the Holy Grail. The man had no bank acount and his manager paid for the things he wanted until the late 70's, which would be pretty weird for an auxiliary Se (the function of the real). There's a lot because, well, this covers several decades of Bowie's interviews and creative work. According to Tony Visconti, Bowie also wrote this song when he was only 16, then recorded a demo for it in the early 70s. You may even think an INFJ isyourtype, since they like to frequently use the social tool called ‘mirroring’, which is basically observing and copying your mannerisms in order to gain rapport with you. ’ His feelings about who this person was were quite specific. David Bowie has said countless times how Ziggy Stardust, Aladdin Sane, Halloween Jack, The Thin White Duke, Nathan Adler, or anything other character he's created are nowhere close to his "true" self. They arrive somewhere in Greenwich Village. Bowie is Ni and also heavily Fe. To say that only Ne-valuing types explore ideas is a bit ignorant to say the least. I really don't know how someone could be more N than this. "I was a kid that loved being in my room reading books and entertaining ideas," Bowie recalls. I was still doing Arts Laboratory type things and street theatre at the time. What does it mean that Se is subordinated to Ne. When really it's their exploration and discovery of the behavioral patterns and feelings of others that helps an INFJ discover their inner self. I know ISFPs can be creative, but shit i just don't see any ISFP doing what he didCan't say about him but I was introduce to him Labyrinth with the iconic song Magic Dance. So I don't see your logic in how or why you'd think that makes Bowie 3w4 and Fi-valuing. He was no politician. In fact, the MBTI ISTJ and ISFJ are clearly Te and Fe Jungian types first and foremost, not introverted irrationals. I’d like my death to be as interesting as my life has been and will be. really really ENFP "exploration" of universes, of new stuff, always looking for something new, he feels what can be possible, tries and manages. This is a very similar process to Sufjan Stevens, also INFJ. Also the stuff about ''internet is rebellion. Also, his obsession with psychology and science fiction shown with his lyrics featuring a lot of random scientific symbolism suggests Ti. And being a "one-track person" seems to conflict with being an idea collector. He always changed his mind, and was honest about it. I don't know who's trolling, but I would never say something like that, especially not about David Bowie. Nor do I think changing one's music style thorugh one's carier makes one a social type. I really can't imagine an ISFP talking like him in interviews. He was a media artist himself. Gabriel always find a diversion not to finish a record. Welcome to MBTIBase - PersonalityBase, here you can learn about David Bowie MBTI type.. its vast potential is untapped'' could be Ni, but it can also be Ne: look how many possibilities this internet thing offer. And ENTP 3 is still a strange combination to me ^^ I don't know, I get an ENTP vibe from him. Ne is his dominant function, his worldview, his driving force. Even if not directly tested, public voting can provide good accuracy regarding David Bowie Myers-Briggs and personality type!. I found that in real life ENFPs are often more selfish, self-centered than ENTPs, who themselves are quite warm and considerate towards their close ones. His music is not usually about his own feelings, but more about the feelings of the characters he's choosing to write about, it's all written from *their* perspective. David Bowie, in 1976: "I’ve now decided that my death should be very precious. It's been both mydoorwayofperceptionand the house that I live in. I'll change my vote to INFP 4w3 for Bowie, tough I still think ambiverted fits him best, because I can't see how someone who ,,stops at perception; perception is his principal problem, and -- in the case of a productive artist-the shaping of perception. Also, tqm Bonita ❤️Leave thephaxsi alone, fagotty. From what I can discern of Bowie's interviews this is the same theme, making him INFJ and not INFP or ENFP. Usually for ENTP (Thurston Moore, Dave Thomas of Pere Ubu), it's more a case of mad scientist at play, while Bowie becomes his art. Look a the way he works using a program to write lyrics. David had a lot of shame related to being "himself", he didn't think he was that particularly interesting nor that he had social savvy, so he felt he needed to create characters and hide himself in them. But no, I'm always the retard according to him. Donald Trump is an INFJ. But I wonder what makes him Fi/Te over Ti/Fe. If anything Ne can be somewhat more creative than Ni. I had no problem writing something for Iggy Pop, or working with Lou Reed, or writing for Mott the Hoople -- I can get into their mood and what they want to do. Bowie feeling alienated from his audience because they don't have the same taste for obscure underground music. No one's been able to do that yet. I didn’t really need company particularly. He could be INTP for all I know. So Bowie being cold and aloof, building walls between him and his musicians on tours, and less of a textbook idealist led me to believe he was ENTP before I switched to ENFP. I've always found that I collect. He after mastering and fully exploring a sound or idea, he left it behind and quickly moved on to a new thing. '' The same way it can be applied to David Lynch, Nick Cave, Franz Kafka or Dario Argento. '' The same way it can be applied to David Lynch, Nick Cave, Franz Kafka or Dario Argento. Same goes for Grimes and Kanye West. Meanwhile David Bowie plays the rock-star persona effortlesly, he embodies it. So much of what he writes about is a social commentary about the times he was living in. He felt a lot of contempt towards the massive audience that Let's Dance brought to him. But let me state my case :. I was not Ziggy Stardust. I don't see how writing from the perspective of another character is Fe over Fi, I tough it's well established that both Fi and Fe can do this. But I then realised that many of the ENFP I know are this way, self centered and sometimes lack authenticity. There are ways to reconcile it which is why I won't call it an outright contradiction but in Bowie's case it does make me wonder how that works, or if he is giving the most accurate, unbiased assessments of himself. "Peter Gabriel and Bowie do share similarities when it comes to seeing their work from the outside. You could find very personal and deep lyrics from songs like Secret World, Blood of Eden where the Ni+Fe is quite obvious. For this reason and a lot of others, INFJs are notoriously difficult to type. It's more obvious when you compare the Jungian Si type and the MBTI ISxJ, they're completely different. I'm familiar with the man's work and peculiar personality, I had the pleasure of seing him live on the Reality tour, and was absolutely convinced by the exhbition David Bowie Is that he could not be anything but ENxP. If you're not talking about J/P, then you've lost me. Ne explores potential, it explores "what is possible". Of all the things to use as evidence for INFJ this one just seems like an argument against that type. Every person’s preference can be found on a spectrum, so just choose the letter you identify with most.. To those of you who think he's 3w4, I advise you to go to listen to Bowie's album "Outside" and then come back and tell me if you still believe he's a 3. " Both Ni and Ti are left-brained analytical functions. ' I've said it in a thousand different ways. Also, MBTI-wise, I don't feel like "Blackstar" is a good single example of anything overall, since it was at the very end of his life - he'd had plenty of time to develop all of his mind by the time he released that album, which someone like him certainly would have. If you want a real example of an ENFP 4w3 so/sx, look up goth comedian Noel Fielding. "^ This is called Introjection by the way. Jung about introverted irrationals. He wrote this song when he was only sixteen years old which he then later got recorded when he was 23. That's what they all are… all the little characters I come up with. David bowie looks like a fucking retard"In the course of their lives, Fours may try several different identities on for size, basing them on styles, preferences, or qualities they find attractive in others. I don't understand why some people here think that any image type who changes a lot automatically makes them a Ne-valuing type. It strives to discover the essence of things and fill in the missing pieces of the puzzle. It deals with insecurity, it's about admitting his feelings in a very open way that is sheer Fe. I did find it much easier having created Ziggy and to then write for him. In fact, they're both kinda infamous for this reason. Gabriel went as far as you can go in terms of exploring the depth of feelings, very much in the way Jung did with his own psyche. In addition to being like Tilda, an INFJ 5w4 Sx/Sp, his comments about seeking out isolation to feel and explore something are uncannily similar to the way Annie Clark (also INFJ 5w4 Sx/Sp) describes her process of writing "Strange Mercy. I'm a collector. In fact, this is clearly a discussion that takes place between two NPs, tough Burroughs is more introverted. It was a real effort to become a social animal. It has been announced that the world will end because of lack of natural resources. The way he changes his colours is not so much an expression of the self, but it also his way of holding up a mirror to the world, showing everyone what being a human really means. I think here it's the difference between the ,,enigmatic'' perception types like Bowie or Dylan who were always enigmatic, contradictory and changing, and someone like Patti Smith which was more clear in her judgements and self-perception: Smith probably had a much more differentiated judging function even tough a P-leading type as well. Both N-dominants are good at seeing possibilities in things and going into abstractions. What type is (was) this guy. Bowie has no problem with imagination. I'm a collector. I didn't really have the nerve to sing my songs on stage, and nobody else was doing them. Bowie developped his introverted side in the second half of his life. Before I believed him to be a Ne-dom with a well-developed Ni. I never claimed Bowie is 3 tough, just that the ''social chameleon'' could be more likely a 3 than a 4. This place is so ready to be picked up by anybody who has a strong enough personality to lead. Bowie's Ni-dom on the other hand created cryptic songs like Blackstar which most people still have no idea what that song is about. 4w3That makes no sense because Bowie is the archetypal Ne user. Neverteless, Bowie is not really a clear I or E type, but seems to have an E prefereance + some traits typically associated with introverts. Sorry wrong lyrics from Sledgehammer. And, boy, when he hit that stage, he worked an audience. The interviewer asks him if he's lonely and alienated, he says that his characters are lonely and alienated. I took a look at my thoughts, my appearance, my expressions, my mannerisms and idiosyncrasies and didn't like them. The time is five years to go before the end of the earth. Nobody wonders who the "real" them is. He was an ogre for me. It's part of their adaptive social ability to be a student of culture. I don’t get how you can see Bowie as a J type. I'm ISFP 4w3 and he's everything i've ever wanted to be. Gaga's alter egos have little to no biography or backstory. Not putting his career first, not putting 'hey this was successful so I better hold onto that'. His chameleon nature is actually incredibly Jungian. The INFJ can invent an character within their Ni-Fe. Him and Peter Gabriel are nearly identical except that Gabriel is so/sp and Bowie is so/sx. That quote can equally apply to Dylan: ,,perception is his principal problem, and -- in the case of a productive artist-the shaping of perception. His feelings depend on external sources. That they want to live those things they imagine in the real world, unlike INP who just likes to create imaginary world with lots of detail, ENFP wants to actually live their dreams. You can't stand still on one point for your entire life. I never claimed Bowie is 3 tough, just that the ''social chameleon'' could be more likely a 3 than a 4. What I meant is that Ne supported by Fi has less concentration and may seem more superficiial than Ne supported by Ti. The human bond was rarely there — another drugs spin-off. If not an artist, he is frequently an unappreciated genius, a great man 'gone wrong', a sort of wise simpleton, a figure for 'psychological' novels. How did MBTI arrived at the conclusion that such a person is J if all that matters for him/her is perception. "I can adopt their accent. A truly wonderful, unique, and inspirational person. It might be this [Eno puts his hands on his hips and gives an air of loucheness] or sometimes it was another kind of person [he buries his chin in his neck in a stiff manner]. ''from their lowest health level (9)'' Sounds just like what I'd expect out of an ISFP 3w4, and why was my vote changed to INFJ. Actors play someone else, I play myself. Well, admiring someone's spontaneity doesn't mean one isn't spontaneous himself, just that the other person outdoes him. ""I’ve always found that I collect. He can never exist in stable, long-established conditions of generally acknowledged thoughlimited value: because his eye is constantly ranging for new possibilities, stable conditions have an air of impending suffocation. I can't help but think he's the same type as me; he's much too similar. But I’m open for debate. In this site you can find out which of the 16 types this character 'David Bowie' belongs to!. Are you actually typing out the letters as if he is clearly introverted, intuitive, feeling, and judging. Introverted Intuition:Ni users tend to go deeper into same idea and analyze it at depth. INFJs for example, collect information from their intuition, but also from their Se environment which gets filtered through their Ti before their Ni analyzes it. They just seem Perception leading Perceptive types. : I'm not sure whether it is me changing my mind, or whether I lie a lot. As opposed to Dylan or someone like Neil Young who are most probably ISFP, Bowie never knows what he wants for a record. Everyones an INFJ. ENFP is also possible. No, sorry, I only meant about your last comment, I agree that you made some great points about why he's a Ne-dom. And it was depressing, because I didn’t know what they wanted. That goes against the very grain of what Fi is: consistent self-narrative and values.

. ISFP to the max. One character who has fame and success which has left her very lonely, and another character who is a "nobody" and who is envious of others' success and wishes he could have it. The 3s key motivations are recognition for their achievements, to have attention, and to be admired. "And you asked how an introverted type could be mistaken for a "social chameleon", I direct you to one of many topics on the INFJ subreddit, this one titled "Does socializing ever feel like acting for you. Without Fe and Se to collect external information, their Ni would have nothing to analyze. became a little Hitler. In fact, the artists who stay the same are the suspicious ones to me speaking as a sp/sx; they either stay the same because they don't wanna loose their fans or they lack enough creativity to evolve. Gabriel adresses his feelings directly, is quite expressive. Politeness and curtoasy isn't really just a FJ thing. You can see Trent Reznor talking more about that here: https://www. But his main obsessions were Adolf Hitler, Aleister Crowley, and Nietzsche. 3s like Madonna and Ricky Martin have very rarely veered away from their pop sound, which has proven to be successful for them, because veering away into more experimental music would mean the risk of losing their success. I've yet to see a clear defense for ISFP-Bowie. That's why I loved drugs so much. "I was not asking myself who I was". Also, the poster says that Cumbercatch and Mulligan, recognized INFJs aren't, so he's probably biased in his view of what INFJs are like, and probably gives Ni-doms more credit than Ne-dom when it comes to abstraction. Those of you questioning her Ni are in the high minority. It was a real effort to become a social animal. Those are all INFP musicians and their stuff is great - But it's all largely the same. It's because Celebrity Types has him as ISFP, I think. The fact that so much arguments for Ne were given on PD yet ISFP still leads in votes is quite baffling. Kendrick Lamar), but as for Bowie, he had a long, fulfilling, and super-productive career over which he would've had plenty of time and chance to develop all of his functions. But underneath the surface, they still feel uncertain about who they really are. Before his death, in his song Blackstar, he once again plays the role of a preacher. I could had that his friendship with Jodorowsky and his interest in Jung (writing a song about him and all) is also demonstrative of Ni, but you could answer that Bowie produced a record like The Man Who Sold The World, inspired by Nietzsche and Aleister Crowley, Ni users. I don't think he's IEI but at least I can see that making more sense in Socionics than the idea of being FJ in MBTI. The face of America that we have to put up with is the McDonalds/Disney/Coke face, this really homogenous, bland cultural invasion that sweeps over us — which is unfortunate, because the aspects of America that are really magical to us are the things it seems to reject, likeblack magic, or the Beat poets: there's an incredibly strong individuality about America that gets glossed over by the corporate invasion. It's confusing. INFJ so/sx 4w3 7w6 8w9 (The Messenger)Also, the way I determined David Bowie was social instinct first was through his music. Extraverted feeling characteristics: - seek to understand others behaviors, motivations, desires, and beliefs - focus on observable patterns of behaviors and motivations - are focused on the dynamics of how people relate to each other - seek to objectively understand the feelings of others. High Fi has the ability to pin-point a certain emotion or instinct in themselves and then develop a character out of that or see the link between apparently unrelated kind of people. I don't know if you actually watched the first video I linked, it doesn't seem like you did because right after Bowie comments on how spontaneous and quick Iggy is with writing songs, Bowie then compares Iggy's process to his own saying how he's the opposite -- that for him it "takes months just to write one word". ” That's Enneagram 4 elitism right there. His approach is VERY different to Lady Gaga. Sure, the Ni type that makes his perception into a moral problem can be a J, but like Jung says, that's not the general case, the general case is the artist who confines himself at the level of perception, so a P type first and foremost. I usually don't agree with what I say very much. Anyway, the reason is good you brought Dylan into conversation is because the same things about Bowie being an enigma applies just as well to Dylan. ''He has a keen nose for things in the bud pregnant with future promise. ENFPs are many things, but the last thing I'd call them are "enigmas". And I don't get what kind of function theory involves starting from the lower functions in that order (Se to Ti to Ni). And since when do only Ne users explore ideas. In Bowie's case, however, it seems he starts with an idea, such as the idea of isolation, and then he pushes himself into a position where he must experience that or creates a character who must experience it and by proxy, understanding how he abstractly constructs their psyche feels their reeling and their emotion. Everybody can have lonely feelings and explore them through songwriting. They just seem Perception leading Perceptive types. Their emotional landscape, their mood which is guiding those changes. They're beautiful. Confining oneself to the perceptive character of intuition; perception is his principal problem. This does not cause the end of the world for Ziggy. Bowie ran off to Berlin to escape the sycophants of Los Angeles. Actually, they can seem like any type, depending on which side of their multi-faceted, multi-layered personality they want to show you in whichever social context you happen to be in. I had this religious fervour. Fi in the dominant positions asks that an ego be constructed which creates some sort of a moral standard or code in order to quickly deal with and in a sense rationalize the various emotional reactions that occur to separate experiences. I didn't see your comment before mine. Randomness, exploration of possibilities in a broad sense, extroversion, his methods of work prove Ne use all over the place. When I saw a quality in someone that I liked, I took it. If you had said that Ne was about exploring possibilities, then I would have agreed with you. When I started dressing for the part and acting it out onstage, the edges of definition between myself and the character became blurry. Introverted intuition typically creates a unique vision and arrives at unique insights about things, phenomena, or people. He said this about the album: "I remember looking out over these waves of people [who were coming to hear this record played live] and thinking, ‘I wonder how many Velvet Underground albums these people have in their record collections. Even admitting that his fan-favorite characters Ziggy Stardust, Thin White Duke, et al are actually reinterpretations of Hitler. ENFPs 3 are not as frequent as ENTPs, but they are not that rare either. You can read more details about the so/sx stacking here. Also when you talk about valuing functions, do you mean in the Socionics sense. "David Bowie, 1978 interview: "The Thin White Duke was the most scary of the lot. I lived a lot in my imagination. This personality type is highly individualistic and Champions strive toward creating their own methods, looks, actions, habits, and ideas!. Having flair, seing trends, possibilities is Ne not Ni. "Only a couple years after that interview, Bowie created Ziggy who in turn became the "leper messiah" figure sung about in the Ziggy Stardust song. That is what differentiates Fi-dom 4s from INFJ 4s. He is ENxP, no doubt about it after seeing the expo "david bowie is". ’ I suddenly felt very apart from my audience. so/sx 4s show a softer, friendlier side to the public, while only the people closest to them will know of their darker melancholic side. They can write an entire story of their life, their family, their experience, their fears, their motivations, their quirks and mannerisms all within their Ni. They both process through analysis. He never gets into a studio with songs already written, he's looking for a meaningful acccident (just like someone like Robert Altman would). If you think that Fi writes only about themselves or only care about self-expression, you miss a big part of what they are. Then when the time comes, then can channel that character into their Fe and Se to perfectly embody that role, in ways that can be so nuanced that you might not even know you are looking at the same person. But it's allowed me so many moments of companionship when I've been lonely and a sublime means of communication when I wanted to touch people. Also, this isn't an attempt to pose this as evidence or backing so much as making a comment, but I saw someone saying somewhere that "He was really good at being David Bowie, but he didn't really know who David Jones was" - does seem like a comment someone'd make about the life and career of a 3w4. " Documentary INFJ David Bowie - Five Years https://vimeo. Whether or not it was a good thing that I did, I don't know. The way I determined this is by deconstructing the themes in his music. I just want to make my case as to why he's 4w3 instead of 3w4. In a way it's almost a lost cause to try to determine which judging function these people mainly use (Bowie, Dylan, Lynch, Cave, Kafka, Argento) since what mainly characterized them as artists is that they mainly suppresed judging for the sake of intensifying their perception. Well it took me some time to understand that being detached, somewhat cerebral was not necessarily Ti over Fi in Ne doms. ] If you thought about it long enough, you could pose the question: Did Antichrist Superstar create Marilyn Manson as a vehicle for its rise to power. His tritype is 4-7-8. For them, it's a question that requires a lot of thought and time to decipher. Don Richard Riso states in his enneagram literature that 4s are identity-seekers(hence the change) and that from their lowest health level (9) until about the second-highest level (2) they are on a "search for self". Even admitting that his fan-favorite characters Ziggy Stardust, Thin White Duke, et al are actually reinterpretations of Hitler. This Is Fascism' and 'Bowie's A Nazi' and all of a sudden I was too far in. I'm also more convinced of ENFP over my initial ENTP guess as time goes by. [Los Angeles] is sort of a callus. Look at Madonna for instance. 3w4 + ENFPhttp://brianmay. that sounds very Un-ISFP like. "David Bowie, 1993 interview: "All the great mystic religions put strong emphasis on the redeeming spiritual qualities of sex. I've always found that I collect. Patti Smith is an ENFP 4w5 sx/so and her music has stayed folk/rock. When you ask an extraverted feeler, especially one who's an INFJ, how they really feel they're not going to know what to say. , misogynistic bitch. Sorry, but when Se inferior try to put that on, it looks weird (Manson,Maynard James Keenan), it's the usually unobserved Se in ENFP that gives them that rock-star aspect. God knows what it is looking for, but if it's not careful it's going to end up with a Hitler. An so/sx is an embracer of change in order to keep up with the changes in culture and the latest trends. The 3s are good at being able to know which things they do that garner the most amount of positive attention and will continue on that path to achieve the very best. There are several instances of him talking about these subjects in reference to his songwriting. "I feel this illustrates well why he's a 4 in the enneagram and not a 3 and it also showcases his social instinct quite clearly -- David Bowie, 1997 interview discussing his song 'I'm Afraid of Americans': "That's fairly self-explanatory. I'd actually argue that in Bowie's case, it's not Ne, but his so/sx stacking that's responsible for it. I could go on. He's more likely INFJ but no one has voted that one either. ,,The latter might be regarded as the normal case, since there is a general tendency of this type to confine himself to the perceptive character of intuition. I still do that. As a rule, the intuitive stops at perception; perception is his principal problem, and -- in the case of a productive artist-the shaping of perception. Trent Reznor said of Bowie: "[David] seems to have not only created one larger than life identity, but then while [that identity] was getting bigger, threw it out and created another one, threw that out, and created another one. Ignore my comments below saying Peter Gabriel is ENFP because he's also INFJ. For more examples of Bowie's Ni, allanyone has to do is look at his creations to see the constant pattern in his work. Bowie has a background in theatre and mime, so his approach to music is in a very similar way. To the same degree as they fail to understand themselves -- because they very largely lack judgment -- they are also powerless to understand why they are so constantly undervalued by public opinion. He’d know who the person singing it was, and their attitude. I'd say an extrovert would be better at being a social chameleon than any introverted type, so not sure way it's a trait associated with an introverted type, rather than extroverted type. ' He wasn’t rowdy or raucous. I really want to use it. 'China girl' is my favorite song ^_^ but he didn't write that one alone. "Fromhttps://www. Ziggy has been talking about this amazing spaceman who will be coming down to save the earth. To address the other part of your statement, Bowie's not a 3. "Waiting for the gift of Ni. He avoids making any value judgements, but rather tries to turn the interviewers questions upside down by making individualistic but ultimately detached statements. Compare that to Andy Warhol (3w4) opinion on Los Angeles: "I love Los Angeles, and I love Hollywood. (Albeit it'd come from a different place in a 3 than in a 4. The end comes when the infinites arrive. People are quite shocked when I say I'm an introvert because I'm so 'extroverted' in their eyes. I see that some people still believe he's 3w4 over 4w3, so I'll make my case for 4w3. "David Bowie: "As an adolescent, I was painfully shy, withdrawn. Se doesn't stay in one place. com/2016/01/21/david-bowie-discerning-ni-dom/Yeah; INFJ, right. I will agreed he did display the persona of an INFJ in his career. Trent Reznor goes onto say that creating music is also a business, and that Trent himself was afraid at times of not being able to pay rent if he decided to change his music. ""Inmythology,folkloreandspeculative fiction,shapeshiftingis the ability of a being or creature to completely transform its physical form or shape. But I find it extremely hard to write for me. "Bowie's quote taken from this video interview:David Bowie: "I find that I'm a person who can take on the guises of different people that I meet. But that is it. For me, it's about the way he looks in the interviews where's he's more aloof, the fact that he resembles a Fi-dom at his most quiet. Really, I'm a very one track person. He also was obsessed with symbols and archetypes and used quite a lot of them in his work. "All through my youth, I would use bravado and device – costume and flamboyant behavior – in a desperate attempt to not be iced out of everything. Definitely J over P. And saying Bowie is darker than Gabriel is nonsense. He also says « I'm not a liar, I just keep on changing my mind ». "And if we're to suddenly lump Bowie as a Ne-user just because he's changed so much, then we might as well do the same for Marilyn Manson as he's followed in the exact same footsteps as Bowie [Taken from 'Dissecting Marilyn Manson' bio]:Any Ni-dom who's a 4 is always going to come across more P over J on the surface because their particular enneagram type is all about being in a constant state of "change". And I’ve always just seemed to COLLECT PERSONALITIES, ideas. Dylan always tried to keep a sense of mystery and hide himself behind contradictory statements, most likely because his views on things and of himself was never very clear. I still see Bowie as a cerebral individual, but I found some ENFPs in "real life" to be just like that. com:"The Many Faces of INFJ -- Subtype: The Method ActorOh the power of the persona, when you project an image, people will create your identity based on that image, regardless of what is actually going on in your head. People will do anything, no matter how absurd, in order to avoid facing their own soul. In fact, the artists who stay the same are the suspicious ones to me speaking as a sp/sx; they either stay the same because they don't wanna loose their fans or they lack enough creativity to evolve. v=lFIDXXDsxAo 9s and 4s aren't connected in anyway. His need for reinvention, his ch-ch-ch-ch-changes. He seizes hold of new objects and new wayswith eager intensity, sometimes with extraordinary enthusiasm, only to abandon them cold-bloodedly, without regard and apparently without remembrance, as soon as their range becomes clearly defined and a promise of any considerable future development no longer clings to them. I'm kind of peeved with 3-ishness being reduced to association with fabrication, artifice, and always being able to conveniently blend in anywhere as opposed to 4's authenticity and integrity when, from my understanding, it's more that 3ishness (3w4ishness, at least) is more about trying to distinguish oneself through actions and skillsets and always trying to become "more" as opposed to a 4ish trying to get to the bottom of and tap into an essence that's more personal. Analyzing with Ni also seems odd, as it's a perceiving function. His lyrics explore deep emotional realms, intimacy, and show a desire to merge with the one, a sense of being though an idealized other. Figures whom are highly regarded (though still debated) Ni-doms. By telling us flatly about the inauthencity of that world through his music, he actually became the most authentic musician of his time. Nope, I can't see Bowie as anything else but a Ne user, if not a Ne dom. "And this idea of Ni being connected to the idea of left-brained-ness is a new one to me. He wrote the song "The Supermen" which is based on Nietzsche's Ubermensch. I don't see how anyone can get xNTP for Marilyn Manson, he is archetypal INFJ:In a 1997 Rolling Stone interview, Marilyn Manson stated "Sometimes I wonder if I'm a character being written, or if I'm writing myself. One does not become enlightened by imagining figures of light, but by making the darkness conscious. All sex and no romance was the problem. 3s and 4s could both distance themselves from and voice disapproval of a city culture or lifestyle they find un-classy, or feel estranged from other people in general. "The Power of Ni". It's even more obvious when Jung recapitulates the introverted irrational types and describes them in ways that are almost the opposite of the extroverted judging types and the least J overall of the types. He's a Ni-dom with a well-developed Ne. Basically shifting all focus off of himself and into supporting Iggy. Apparently that idea comes from Lenore Thomson:http://www. v=rgneB1Gy9TwDavid Bowie's advice to young upcoming artists: http://www. Bowie was showing how easily an audience would fall under the spell of a Hitler-figure. To answer your above question, I don't see how you get Fi-dom and 3w4 from that video/quote. He wasn’t an attention-seeking guy in the way a lot of really extroverted people are. I don't think I've ever typed anyone in that manner. If you listen to Bob Dylan or Lana del Rey, you'll get some pretty straightforward Fi-Se-Ni songs about answers blowin in the wind or finding oneself on the open road. " Ne users like novelty, imagination, randomness, etc. Someone hacked into my account and posted the below message. For me, he's up there with Bryan Ferry"; and HOLY SHITTTT. For example, Patti Smith's never been an enigma. "David Bowie, 1996 interview: "Spirituality has been a recurrent qualification of my work from the day I started writing. When Johnny Depp (4w3) transforms himself into Jack Sparrow or Mad Hatter for his roles, is he being untrue to himself for fame/success. Total ISFPISFP 3w4 makes zero sense. "For more examples of Bowie's Ni, allanyone has to do is look at his creations to see the constant pattern in his work. Se is very conceptual with work that they're passionate about as they almost always have different projects going on. David Bowie: "There are several things on this album that lead front other things I've done. It all tends to become the content of my songs. Just my general Bowie knowledge and some random quotes made me realize he's INFJ. To get back on track - what function is supposed to be more likely to explore so many ideas that they can describe this approach as "collecting ideas". If an artist, he reveals extraordinary, remote things in his art, which in iridescent profusion embrace both the significant and the banal, the lovely and the grotesque, the whimsical and the sublime. His quotes are very INFJ (aka WTF). I thought ENTP for a long time, because of his way of being detached and quite insensitive at times. Jung about introverted irrationals. In Berlin, he paired up with Brian Eno to create the experimental album "Low" which is one of his most lyrically depressing albums cast over upbeat experimental sound. They don't have a carein the world and are of no possible use to us. Confining oneself to the perceptive character of intuition; perception is his principal problem. I'm obviously not a native english speaker, and expressive is quite what I meant to say. Brian Eno: "David would have an identity in mind. In the mid to late 1970's, he told interviewers about his obsession with writing characters for his songs that are based on Adolf Hitler. "David Bowie: "Musichas given me over 40 years of extraordinary experiences. Bowie is Ne incarnate and one of the most intuitive musicians of his time. 3w4 sx/so seems possible because its almost his song and appearance are almost equal. That's what being an intuitive is all about. Anyway, in functions MBTI that quote would be Fe, but I personally would say it's more Extroversion than anything or at alest being so/sx. While I definitely associate Cornell or Dylan with Ni, there is no way IMO that Bowie is anything else than a strong Ne user. CelebrityTypes strikes again with crap typings - this guy is like the definition of ENFP. Remember how Iggy Pop was impressed by how outgoing he was in Berlin, how large his circle of friends was. I think here it's the difference between the ,,enigmatic'' perception types like Bowie or Dylan who were always enigmatic, contradictory and changing, and someone like Patti Smith which was more clear in her judgements and self-perception: Smith probably had a much more differentiated judging function even tough a P-leading type as well. "I think my problem used to be that I was always shy and fairly awkward in social situations," Bowie says. What is the best option for the MBTI type of David Bowie? What about enneagram and other personality types?. She hasn't attempted to diverge away from that. I don't exactly lie, I change my mind all the time. He wrote this song before he became famous. Dylan and Bowie left themselves at the whims of their own imagination and perceptions of things and where it lead them. " Another INFJ 4w5 (Bergman) who held that same philosophy. In term of Jungian types, he's somewhere between Ne and Ni. He wasn’t the kind of guy that went into a club and said, 'Look at me, look at me, look at me. See Daniel Lanois talking about Gabriel’s indecisive character in the making of So. While the musicians jammed on the Outside sessions, he painted and listened to them. Adolf Hitler was one of the first rock stars. The second letter in the personality type acronym corresponds to the preference within the sensing-intuition dimension: “S” stands for sensing and “N” stands for intuition.. ] He didn’t draw attention to himself. But what about Bob Dylan. I'm not buying ISFP. His explorations were very sensual. He even says in an interview ,,I'm only Bob Dylan when I have to be Bob Dylan, the rest of the time I can just be myself. Change my vote to INFJ. In fact, they're both kinda infamous for this reason. It was very important to him to manage. He talks about how his stage persona is a construct that doesn't really reflect who he actually is. Thinking – Feeling, represents how a person processes information. Thinking means that a person makes a decision mainly through logic.. It's all there, presented in their creative work. And he was quite clear about what difference that would make to how this voice should be. The so/sx instinct stacking in particular, regardless of enneatype, is described as being "attuned to pop culture and the latest trends". "Tony Zanetta, actor from Andy Warhol's entourage: "David [Bowie] certainly wasn’t shy but David was kind of laid back and quiet. ) but I won't try to convince anyone artists with feelings don't have to be FPs. In case anyone doesn't know what Bowie means by "one-track person", it's someone who has a one-track mind. That quote can equally apply to Dylan: ,,perception is his principal problem, and -- in the case of a productive artist-the shaping of perception. But look at what I unintentionally found tonight, what a Ni expert says, who also agrees Bowie is INFJ: "David Bowie: Discerning Ni-dom" https://charitysplace. The use of the verbasizer is in no way different from the cut up technique he used (while recording under pressure with Queen for instance. David Bowie, 1999 interview: "I was quite content spending days without saying a word to anybody, quite alone, getting on with my own obsessive thing, whatever that happened to be at the time. " As soon as Ziggy dies onstagethe infinites take his elements and make themselves visible. Tony wanted Bowie to come back and continue making that "black music" of Young Americans that garnered Bowie so much success. INFPs, like most introverts, are quiet and reserved. They prefer not to talk about themselves.. I guess the context I was trying to put it in was that Bowie was always someone who did whatever he felt like doing, at any point in his career, even at the earliest stages of it, and there was nothing anyone could do or say to stop him. Youtube him and then compare him to Bowie. He created Ziggy, a new-age preacher character with a messiah complex. You are using a distracting tactic. This is ground control to mayor Tom, me likey 2 ^_^He also wrote a song about Introverted Intuition. I'm more just probing out of curiosity. I felt very puny as a human. So they latch onto itimmediately. This is usually achieved through an inherent ability of a mythological creature, divine intervention, or the use of magic. Earlier in his life, from what I gather, he was definitely oriented toward the senses (he seems to have been a visual person as much as an auditory one - he said that when he was young, he wanted to be either a musician or a painter, and he ended up actually being both though he was obviously much more famous for the former; and there's a lot out there about his pre-finally-falling-in-love-with-Iman sexcapades), and though he /was/ good at being a provocateur and was interested in chasing fame, it seems to me to have come from a more Fi-ish place than a Fe-ish one - a raw desire to make more of himself and end up in a position to throw himself all into his chosen line of work, namely the arts, for lack of better phrasing. Anyway, I guess you realize that several of us abandoned function stacks. That said, I might just be reacting to buzzwords and I do understand arguments for Bowie as a 3 and as a 4 both, though I still personally cast my vote for 3 - I just wanted to get that bee out of my bonnet. why not just david bowie. "David Bowie, 1976 interview: "I think we are due for a revival of God awareness. com/brian/brianssb/brianssbjan16a. '' gets to be typed as a J by default as in Bowie's case, or to be considered a Fi-dom in Dylan's case. Why because he's artistic. Then the articles started coming out 'This Isn't Rock & Roll. One fine example of this is one of his earliest songs from his first self-titled album called "The Maid of Bond Street". When you are a Fe-valuing type, you mirror and adjust your personality to the person you are in contact with. Ni analyzes patterns. Who was the magus. I'm pretty sure Ingmar Bergman is INFP. For Bowie, emotions and feelings have always been a problem. Ziggy was a caricature he created to portray the inauthenticity of what it means to play the role of the "rock musician". I decided to do them in disguise so that I didn't have to actually go through the humiliation of going onstage and being myself. Anyway, the reason is good you brought Dylan into conversation is because the same things about Bowie being an enigma applies just as well to Dylan. But in Los Angeles it's fabrication in real life. You're right to correct my use of the word "warm". Leonard Cohen is a 4w5 sp/so and his music has more or less stayed bluesy/folk music. Obviously I don't so what's the point. Bowie was quite never emotional about his music on the other hand. We can see from this interview that he's very N and P. any way* I never mentioned integration/disintegration. ""As Bowie has admitted, the Nazi elements of the Duke persona are entirely intentional. I honeslty think the "there's no message in my songs"/ISFP argument is a cliché. "David Bowie, 1976 interview: "People aren't very bright, you know. I think you're wrong. v=LwTFW4kfHl4David Bowie does have some Fi, mainly because he's a 4w3, but his Fe outweighs his Fi. They don't shy away from sharing who they are. Noel Fielding (Ne with Fi): "I have never thought of myself as an actor, though I play about 500 different characters in the show. He adores INFPs so much. "David Bowie, 1995 interview: "I was very aware of the idea of androgyny or an unknown gender being attached to most priesthoods in the East. As a rule, the intuitive stops at perception; perception is his principal problem, and -- in the case of a productive artist-the shaping of perception. v=LwTFW4kfHl4 This interview is really revealing about what Idlebody talked about. What I'm really looking for is someone to prove to me that Bowie valued Fi over Fe. I change my mind a lot. "It looks like idlebody is a woman XD Erase and rewind, sowwy XDSo I was the first to defy everyone here saying Bowie was INFJ and now we see Scotty drooling all over idlebody's profile page. But most important, you comment makes it like you can see Bowie as INFJ too :DQuoting songs isn't relevant. When I heard someone say something intelligent, I used it later as if it were my own. I didn't post these references earlier, frankly because it's very long. He used politics and theatrics and created this thing that governed and controlled the show for those 12 years. So I found it quite easy to write for the artists that I would create. Ni-doms have to sit around waiting for their inspiration to come from the unconscious. I’m a collector. I think you arrived at the ENFP conclusion for the wrong reasons tough. It's not an immediate, spontaneous thing like it is for Ne users. His "dreamy" qualities came from his tertiary Ni. one-track mind(noun phrase)Definition: Amindlimitedtoorobsessedwithasingleidea,theme,etc. And this idea of Ni being connected to the idea of left-brained-ness is a new one to me. Ah ah ah, guess all the posts down there are no good for you. It's a city I really detest. he had a bird's eye view when it came to humanity (Ni), and it's what made him so ahead of his time. In the 1970s, Bowie was particularly unhappy with his manager Tony DeFries. Visconti also sees Heathen as the first moment in Bowie’s career when he adressed directly his feelings, in a very naive and childlike way (Afraid). That is the only reason. You're right about inferior Si. That would be doomed ^^ "It seems that he uses that program to aid his inspiration, if he really was a strong Intuitive type I think it have been quite easily for him to come up with all those word-associations without using that silly device to help him. He was a very cultivated and curious individual, "move to one thing to another when bored with the other". An INFJ could enter a completely foreign country, and within weeks, or even days, completely master their culture, and maybe even accent. At his unhealthiest, his need to look unique was emphasized, but that changed later on. That is actually one of the few self-revealing songs of his I can think of. His sense of humour (compared to Ricky Gervais by Blackstar's musicians) and way of behaving in live conditions (telling jokes etc) is sheer Ne. He even says in an interview ,,I'm only Bob Dylan when I have to be Bob Dylan, the rest of the time I can just be myself. Dylan always tried to keep a sense of mystery and hide himself behind contradictory statements, most likely because his views on things and of himself was never very clear. That intrigued me about the Nazis. He strives for randomness. I tried real hard to see him as an ENFP, but the more I looked at it the more cerebral and detached he seemed to me. " When his music career took off, he resorted to using drugs and alcohol as a crutch to deal with that shyness and social anxiety. No way this guy is a sensor. Se is fluid and constantly moving. Are you talking about the J/P dichotomy when you say Je/Pe doms. Indeed he said in 72 « I could never work with a computer ». In a way it's almost a lost cause to try to determine which judging function these people mainly use (Bowie, Dylan, Lynch, Cave, Kafka, Argento) since what mainly characterized them as artists is that they mainly suppresed judging for the sake of intensifying their perception. However they are TOTALLY different individuals when it comes to personality types or creative process. But they couldn't be more wrong. It's more obvious when you compare the Jungian Si type and the MBTI ISxJ, they're completely different. Vincent, who followed a similar path, is an so/sx 4 who went from alt rock to more electronic experimentation. ": https://www. It's because of that ability that so many people mistakenly viewed him as "messianic" or "Godlike". com/151364531TBH, I feel as if this site tends to get INFJ-vote-happy when it comes to prominent people noted for being thoughtful and conceptual and can't help but suspect it's based on the type's statistically-recorded rarity. Ron Hubbard, Anton LaVey, Charles Manson, Osho) were ENxPs. I really can't imagine an ISFP talking like him in interviews. [laughs] Even though it's me doing it. All that energy just ends up as sex. Bowie is not authentic but very aware of the use of his image, has a flair for the dramatic and business in a detached way. I assume you type by functions right. If someone made a good case for it, maybe then I'd be able to get behind him being ENFP. Taken from Enneagram Institute:"In the course of their lives, Fours may try several different identities on for size, basing them on styles, preferences, or qualities they find attractive in others. Because I'm quite cautious when it comes to the dichotomies. With your Ni vs Ne thing though, I wonder: how deep did Bowie actually analyze this concept. Towards the end, Bowie became comfortable with who he was. The latter might be regarded as the normal case, since there is a general tendency of this type to confine himself to the perceptive character of intuition. He wrote the song "The Supermen" which is based on Nietzsche's Ubermensch. The point of the exploration of this character would be to understand the overall underlying nature of the feeling itself, to inform the experienced emotion and give it some context to the construction of a moral code (holistic vision of the ego function). It's good you brought Bob Dylan into discussion, who btw I don't see as ISFP 4 but IxTP 4. They really are a black hole, but I've made them people because it would be very hard to explain a black hole onstage. You seem to think that only Ne-valuing types are interested in exploring ideas and somehow Ni-valuing types focus on one idea and one idea only. He was also very concern with the internet, from the start, and has an undestranding of technology that fits ENTP better than ENFP. I don't know much about Iggy, but he seems like an ExxP from what I do know.

. I know expert but from a slight deduction I would guess ENTP but with a weird uncommon enneagram combination like 4w3. Clear as day I N F J. An interview with William Burroughs from 1974:. I know I write a lot of comments, so please bear with me. But I can't see ISTP. I'm not going to cater to you and a few other people raising ambiguity about her type in another forum. To the same degree as they fail to understand themselves -- because they very largely lack judgment -- they are also powerless to understand why they are so constantly undervalued by public opinion. " doesn't sound like a product of some kind of deep analysis, and in fact it sounds like he used this idea primarily to create a lot of possibilities, however obsessed he was with it. Nothing much left to say. During the Diamond Dogs era he recorded a whole concert with the musicians on the left of the stage not hearing the musicians on the right. Just look at some of his interviews or read about what people close to him thought of him. When a 4 reaches the highest health level, they are able to let go of their forced uniqueness and attachment to their self-image. Might need to right click and enlarge to read the subtitles: David Bowie:"I'm not a great singer, but I can interpret the song which I don't think is quite the same as singing it. It's even more obvious when Jung recapitulates the introverted irrational types and describes them in ways that are almost the opposite of the extroverted judging types and the least J overall of the types. And it's only because what is inside is so vulnerable that the shell has to be so hard. I think I've made some solid points in this thread. I think Bowie would have found himself in these descriptions of the extraverted intuitive type. And they tear him to pieces onstage during the song "Rock and Roll Suicide. And I've always seemed to just collect personalities, ideas. And to answer your other question, all intuitive types "collect" information. In fact, the MBTI ISTJ and ISFJ are clearly Te and Fe Jungian types first and foremost, not introverted irrationals. " A 3 would enjoy that fabricated lifestyle, but a 4 would distance themselves from it. He avoids making any value judgements, but rather tries to turn the interviewers questions upside down by making individualistic but ultimately detached statements. Except that everything they describe is Ne opportunism. That, combined with extraverted feeling and his average to high health levels is going to make him seem like he's not a 4, even though he actually is. About Peter Gabriel being INFJ: I'm very open to the idea. He only has a concept of what the record should be. If you enjoyed this entry, find out about the personality types of Music and Music Industry characters list.. "David Bowie, 2002 interview: "I think and read about spirituality all obsessively. A are all ISFPs and they're always playing with different sounds. The problem is that they base their identity largely on their feelings which are ever-changing. There are a ton of ISFP votes which make no sense to me. mysterymeat, you make good points on him being more of a Ni type than a Ne type, specially how it takes him him allot to write a song, which is more true for an introverted process. " It's Ni to the bone and no one seems to question it with her. "Marilyn Manson has had the same issue as Bowie. "David Bowie, 2002 interview: "I was a kid that loved being in my room reading books and entertaining ideas. To me it sounds more like ''I see him ISFP no matter what, so any qoute you say, I'll just say it's ISFP''. I was just looking for some answers. We have to find that sustenance within ourselves. They took a Buddhist symbol, the Eastern symbol of the sun, and turned it around so it became a symbol of the dark. Some musician are known for their works, other is for their presentation, Bowie had both. Every intuitive type explores ideas, that is not exclusive to Ne types. I've switched my vote from ENFP to INFJ for Bowie. I did pay attention Scotty but I'm not going to do so in another forum. Those original shamans have mutated into the entertainer. What Bowie is describing is the absorption of others' personalities. People mistakenly believe that because he's not exploring himself in his music, that makes him 3w4. "Edmonds: "Yeah, came to believe it. All Dylan did it seems, was to take information from all kinds of non-related areas, from day to day life, news, literature, history and paintings, and his subconscious shaped it into powerfull imagery without imposing too much judgements of either valueing or logical kind. He's far too self-aware to be a 3. Nor do I think changing one's music style thorugh one's carier makes one a social type. Doesn't make them any less of a Ni-dom though. How did MBTI arrived at the conclusion that such a person is J if all that matters for him/her is perception. For INFJs, their Ni perceives through Fe and Se. Even if acting isn’t your thing, every INFJ still has this in them, and it often comes out in other ways. Talking about his work with Trent Reznor: "Trent is a minimalist in the way that he structures his material, my stuff tends to be over layered and conceptual". 4s sin is envy. Ne-dom pursuing their dreams who are in a constant state of change. Introverted intuitive types frequently will have complex visions or perspectives that they are unable to explain with clarity to others. Read now what Jung had to say about extroverted intuitive type:. Sex becomes a release of energy. At work, INFJs may look like INTPs (laid back geniuses) and socially, they may resemble ENFPs (charismatic idealists) or ESFJs (social organizers). Enneagram 4 types are all about "change", regardless of their functions. They say they want freedom, but when they get the chance, they pass up Nietzsche and choose Hitler because he would march into a room and music and lights would come on at strategic moments. Although he was a complex individual, interested in many things (ENxPs are the most cultivated people I ever met), including Ni fileds (like I mentioned with The Man Who Sold The World), he was not a judger, had no real ethics, message etc and his intuition was not focussed, limited, introverted, even dare I say subjective. It's a blister on the backside of humanity, really, whereas Detroit has real people energetically trying to survive. I thought this was supposed to be Ne in function land: exploring a large amount of ideas rather than refining a singular whole. html ''Sounds just like what I'd expect out of an ISFP 3w4''. My vote keeps changing too. Their dominant function, Introverted Intuition (Ni), serves as the veritable foundation for this inner playhouse. Tilda Swinton (INFJ) has this to say about Bowie, who she was good friends with: "I'm from the same planet as David Bowie. On the other hand, here are the characteristics of introverted feeling: - seek to understand their own behaviors, motivations, desires, and beliefs - are ruled by their own subjective and personal values - focus on how behaviors and motivations of others are the same or different than their own - focus on being true to who they are. But now I understand the case to be the opposite. If so, do you see Bowie as left-brained. Let's look at self-preservation 4s for a second to compare. Discover Array, and more, famous people, fictional characters and celebrities here!. I meant why you choose ENFP over ENTP, but you made great points about why he's ENxP. Instead he decided he would follow Iggy Pop on his "Lust for Life" tour and become Iggy Pop's touring keyboard player. If I would type the ultimate ''social chameleon'' it probably would be ENFx ennea 3 so/sx, and I assume Bowie would be somewhere close to this typing. David Bowie: "Thematically, I've always dealt with isolation in everything I've written. Extraverted Intuition:Ne users to tend to go broader by linking from one idea to another. com/music/news/beat-godfather-meets-glitter-mainman-19740228. What I've said for years under various guises is that 'Watch Out, the West is going to have a Hitler. His songwriting style is not at all straightforward like an ISFP's songwriting. "David Bowie, 1997 interview: "Looking for sustenance, looking for something outside of ourselves for sustenance, can only lead to depression, I think. As a rule, the intuitive stops at perception; perception is his principal problem, and -- in the case of a productive artist-the shaping of perception. I think it screams inferior Si. I think they are the most powerful set of symbols that have been invoked in terms of political history. Its nostalgic quality is very unusual for Bowie, exploring his inferior Si when facing death. Zeego, I did not say that he was interested in cult leaders in general. Bob Dylan comes to mind as an ISFP and social 4 who would always try to change/adapt his music to the latest trends much to the dismay of his audience who wanted his older folk sound. Well, that goes totally against Fi-dom in MBTI functions. All Dylan did it seems, was to take information from all kinds of non-related areas, from day to day life, news, literature, history and paintings, and his subconscious shaped it into powerfull imagery without imposing too much judgements of either valueing or logical kind. He later adapted this into It's No Game on Scary Monsters: https://www. I could buy some function magic argument where the mythical Ni superpowers are something that he possesses but there is no way you can really say he is a "judger", nor can you for Annie Clark, who multiple people are questioning about her "Ni" which you seem to just not pay attention to. I want to be plastic. Bowie has always been fascinated by randomness, cut up methods, his verbasizer shows this very well. Could you tell me more about that. So have other famous INFJs (Gary Oldman, etc) declared that they have much preferred playing characters rather than being themselves because they loathed themselves too much. Sure, the Ni type that makes his perception into a moral problem can be a J, but like Jung says, that's not the general case, the general case is the artist who confines himself at the level of perception, so a P type first and foremost.

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