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But look at what I unintentionally found tonight, what a Ni expert says, who also agrees Bowie is INFJ: "David Bowie: Discerning Ni-dom" https://charitysplace. Before his death, in his song Blackstar, he once again plays the role of a preacher. When a 4 reaches the highest health level, they are able to let go of their forced uniqueness and attachment to their self-image. I believe it was good- the best way to fight an evil force is to caricature it. And being a "one-track person" seems to conflict with being an idea collector. The two singers could not hear each other while performing). Gabriel went as far as you can go in terms of exploring the depth of feelings, very much in the way Jung did with his own psyche. I thought this was supposed to be Ne in function land: exploring a large amount of ideas rather than refining a singular whole. any way* I never mentioned integration/disintegration. All sex and no romance was the problem. It's confusing. When I started dressing for the part and acting it out onstage, the edges of definition between myself and the character became blurry. He avoids making any value judgements, but rather tries to turn the interviewers questions upside down by making individualistic but ultimately detached statements. He wasn’t the kind of guy that went into a club and said, 'Look at me, look at me, look at me. Peter Gabriel still ENFP to me. They took a Buddhist symbol, the Eastern symbol of the sun, and turned it around so it became a symbol of the dark. It's even more obvious when Jung recapitulates the introverted irrational types and describes them in ways that are almost the opposite of the extroverted judging types and the least J overall of the types. In the interview I'm linking below, David Bowie evades questions about his own feelings because, just like Nick Cave (INFJ), he's not terribly in touch with his own feelings. Are you talking about the J/P dichotomy when you say Je/Pe doms. The interviewer asks him if he's lonely and alienated, he says that his characters are lonely and alienated. All that energy just ends up as sex. David Bowie: "Thematically, I've always dealt with isolation in everything I've written. As opposed to Dylan or someone like Neil Young who are most probably ISFP, Bowie never knows what he wants for a record. ” That's Enneagram 4 elitism right there. And this idea of Ni being connected to the idea of left-brained-ness is a new one to me. This is ground control to mayor Tom, me likey 2 ^_^He also wrote a song about Introverted Intuition. " Another INFJ 4w5 (Bergman) who held that same philosophy. His music is not usually about his own feelings, but more about the feelings of the characters he's choosing to write about, it's all written from *their* perspective. Leonard Cohen is a 4w5 sp/so and his music has more or less stayed bluesy/folk music. If you want a real example of an ENFP 4w3 so/sx, look up goth comedian Noel Fielding. In fact, the MBTI ISTJ and ISFJ are clearly Te and Fe Jungian types first and foremost, not introverted irrationals. David Bowie, 1993 interview: "I was interested in the symbols of the Nazis. Ne-dom pursuing their dreams who are in a constant state of change. It deals with insecurity, it's about admitting his feelings in a very open way that is sheer Fe. "Material Girl", "Bad Girl", "Erotica", "Survival", "I'd Rather be Your Lover", "Inside Of Me", "Drowned World". It's more obvious when you compare the Jungian Si type and the MBTI ISxJ, they're completely different. @Schmendrick Oh sorry. Any interview (when he's not on cocaine) shows a man obsessed with future possibilities and abstract thoughts. "David Bowie: "As an adolescent, I was painfully shy, withdrawn. But I then realised that many of the ENFP I know are this way, self centered and sometimes lack authenticity. To answer your above question, I don't see how you get Fi-dom and 3w4 from that video/quote. One does not become enlightened by imagining figures of light, but by making the darkness conscious. INFJ 4s chameleon themselves in characters/personas so as to protect their vulnerable, highly sensitive nature. This place is so ready to be picked up by anybody who has a strong enough personality to lead.

. One character who has fame and success which has left her very lonely, and another character who is a "nobody" and who is envious of others' success and wishes he could have it. I'm pretty sure Ingmar Bergman is INFP. Read his Proust questionnaire, pure Ne humour. I think you're wrong. I think you're confusing the word "exploring" with Ne. So I stripped myself down, chucked things out and replaced them with a completely new personality. His lyrics explore deep emotional realms, intimacy, and show a desire to merge with the one, a sense of being though an idealized other. For me, it's about the way he looks in the interviews where's he's more aloof, the fact that he resembles a Fi-dom at his most quiet. An INFJ could enter a completely foreign country, and within weeks, or even days, completely master their culture, and maybe even accent. No, sorry, I only meant about your last comment, I agree that you made some great points about why he's a Ne-dom. Sorry, but when Se inferior try to put that on, it looks weird (Manson,Maynard James Keenan), it's the usually unobserved Se in ENFP that gives them that rock-star aspect. And it was depressing, because I didn’t know what they wanted. com/2016/01/21/david-bowie-discerning-ni-dom/Yeah; INFJ, right. In the song, he writes about the feelings and perspectives of two different characters. Noel Fielding (Ne with Fi): "I have never thought of myself as an actor, though I play about 500 different characters in the show. The human bond was rarely there — another drugs spin-off. There /are/ people I can definitely see it solidly for (e. "Waiting for the gift of Ni. Every intuitive type explores ideas, that is not exclusive to Ne types. David Bowie explaining his stage-play version of Ziggy Stardust:. He's not storing personalities in his head to use for later on, he's saying that he's literally changing his behavior and his accent in real-time when in the presence of another. I've switched my vote from ENFP to INFJ for Bowie. This marks an extremely uncanny ability that you INFJ folk have. I still see Bowie as a cerebral individual, but I found some ENFPs in "real life" to be just like that. I was just looking for some answers. From what I can discern of Bowie's interviews this is the same theme, making him INFJ and not INFP or ENFP. It's somewherebetween the two. "Taken from Cultural Disasters' article "The Elusive INFJ":"INFJs Are Not Who You Think They AreThey’re social chameleons, like Mystique from X-Men, they can observe and take on the shape and form (behaviors and mannerisms) of any other type. Ziggy has been talking about this amazing spaceman who will be coming down to save the earth. Always moving in a very dynamic way. I don't think he's IEI but at least I can see that making more sense in Socionics than the idea of being FJ in MBTI. "And if we're to suddenly lump Bowie as a Ne-user just because he's changed so much, then we might as well do the same for Marilyn Manson as he's followed in the exact same footsteps as Bowie [Taken from 'Dissecting Marilyn Manson' bio]:Any Ni-dom who's a 4 is always going to come across more P over J on the surface because their particular enneagram type is all about being in a constant state of "change". Usually for ENTP (Thurston Moore, Dave Thomas of Pere Ubu), it's more a case of mad scientist at play, while Bowie becomes his art. And, boy, when he hit that stage, he worked an audience. I think I've made some solid points in this thread. [laughs] Even though it's me doing it. But from the 90's he supported download and was deeply interested in the internet revolution. I’m a collector. I can switch accents within seconds of meeting somebody -- I can adopt their accent. In Berlin, he paired up with Brian Eno to create the experimental album "Low" which is one of his most lyrically depressing albums cast over upbeat experimental sound. People are alwaysthrowing things at me that I've said and I say that I didn't mean anything. : "The only art I’ll ever study is stuff that I can steal from". You're right about inferior Si. They never stuck to one thing, just like Bowie. She hasn't attempted to diverge away from that. The man had no bank acount and his manager paid for the things he wanted until the late 70's, which would be pretty weird for an auxiliary Se (the function of the real). I don't see how writing from the perspective of another character is Fe over Fi, I tough it's well established that both Fi and Fe can do this. He felt a lot of contempt towards the massive audience that Let's Dance brought to him. I never claimed Bowie is 3 tough, just that the ''social chameleon'' could be more likely a 3 than a 4. I know ISFPs can be creative, but shit i just don't see any ISFP doing what he didCan't say about him but I was introduce to him Labyrinth with the iconic song Magic Dance. He also says « I'm not a liar, I just keep on changing my mind ». David bowie looks like a fucking retard"In the course of their lives, Fours may try several different identities on for size, basing them on styles, preferences, or qualities they find attractive in others. But I’m open for debate. He created Ziggy, a new-age preacher character with a messiah complex. Bowie has a background in theatre and mime, so his approach to music is in a very similar way. v=LwTFW4kfHl4 This interview is really revealing about what Idlebody talked about. Ron Hubbard, Anton LaVey, Charles Manson, Osho) were ENxPs. Even if not directly tested, public voting can provide good accuracy regarding David Bowie Myers-Briggs and personality type!. Until he met Iman, Bowie suffered from terrible shyness since childhood. I'm also more convinced of ENFP over my initial ENTP guess as time goes by. That's what they all are… all the little characters I come up with. In fact, they're both kinda infamous for this reason. It's good you brought Bob Dylan into discussion, who btw I don't see as ISFP 4 but IxTP 4. The fact that so much arguments for Ne were given on PD yet ISFP still leads in votes is quite baffling. I still do that. He's a Ni-dom with a well-developed Ne. It was a real effort to become a social animal. Regardless of whatever definition you are able to scrape up (there's hundreds of descriptions for each function, each of which can be used to support a particular type), wouldn't you say the idea of collecting ideas like Bowie described to be more of a Ne thing, in general. They really are a black hole, but I've made them people because it would be very hard to explain a black hole onstage. Bowie has always been about trends, envisioning the future, see his interview with Jeremy Paxman about the internet. I'm ISFP 4w3 and he's everything i've ever wanted to be. I don’t think anyone knew him. Gabriel always find a diversion not to finish a record. He was a media artist himself. Here you can explore of famous people and fictional characters.. Thom Yorke, an so/sp 4, went from 90's alt rock to experimental electronic music. mysterymeat, you make good points on him being more of a Ni type than a Ne type, specially how it takes him him allot to write a song, which is more true for an introverted process. "David Bowie, 2002 interview: "I think and read about spirituality all obsessively. I'm more just probing out of curiosity. In term of Jungian types, he's somewhere between Ne and Ni. But underneath the surface, they still feel uncertain about who they really are. mysterymeat, you make good points on him being more of a Ni type than a Ne type, specially how it takes him him allot to write a song, which is more true for an introverted process. I took a look at my thoughts, my appearance, my expressions, my mannerisms and idiosyncrasies and didn't like them. Look at Madonna for instance. "His obsession with Hitler started very early in his career. I meant why you choose ENFP over ENTP, but you made great points about why he's ENxP. Having flair, seing trends, possibilities is Ne not Ni. Gaga's alter egos have little to no biography or backstory. All Dylan did it seems, was to take information from all kinds of non-related areas, from day to day life, news, literature, history and paintings, and his subconscious shaped it into powerfull imagery without imposing too much judgements of either valueing or logical kind. This Is Fascism' and 'Bowie's A Nazi' and all of a sudden I was too far in. Clear as day I N F J. v=H7Sgq0XoxPw. Dylan always tried to keep a sense of mystery and hide himself behind contradictory statements, most likely because his views on things and of himself was never very clear. ENXP for sure, I mean just look at him. Bowie feeling alienated from his audience because they don't have the same taste for obscure underground music. "I was not asking myself who I was". This is something that good singer-songwriters understand. Dylan and Bowie left themselves at the whims of their own imagination and perceptions of things and where it lead them. It's good you brought Bob Dylan into discussion, who btw I don't see as ISFP 4 but IxTP 4. I changed my vote that very same day; I'm that fast. The use of the verbasizer is in no way different from the cut up technique he used (while recording under pressure with Queen for instance. Gabriel is often mistyped as a 4, but he is a clear 9w1 sx. I don't know if you actually watched the first video I linked, it doesn't seem like you did because right after Bowie comments on how spontaneous and quick Iggy is with writing songs, Bowie then compares Iggy's process to his own saying how he's the opposite -- that for him it "takes months just to write one word". I just want to make my case as to why he's 4w3 instead of 3w4. Bob Dylan comes to mind as an ISFP and social 4 who would always try to change/adapt his music to the latest trends much to the dismay of his audience who wanted his older folk sound. When I saw a quality in someone that I liked, I took it. If I would type the ultimate ''social chameleon'' it probably would be ENFx ennea 3 so/sx, and I assume Bowie would be somewhere close to this typing. Nope, I can't see Bowie as anything else but a Ne user, if not a Ne dom. com/151364531TBH, I feel as if this site tends to get INFJ-vote-happy when it comes to prominent people noted for being thoughtful and conceptual and can't help but suspect it's based on the type's statistically-recorded rarity. Meanwhile David Bowie plays the rock-star persona effortlesly, he embodies it. Still, while I agree with Ni, that does not make him a J (and like I said, I no longer type by function stacks). And when he was singing, he’d take the pose. I've yet to see a clear defense for ISFP-Bowie. Since when has Madonna had difficulty writing songs about herself. "David Bowie, 1976 interview: "I think we are due for a revival of God awareness. He is ENxP, no doubt about it after seeing the expo "david bowie is". I didn't post these references earlier, frankly because it's very long. "David Bowie, 1976 interview: "People aren't very bright, you know. Introverted Intuition:Ni users tend to go deeper into same idea and analyze it at depth. Someone hacked into my account and posted the below message. He only has a concept of what the record should be. To the same degree as they fail to understand themselves -- because they very largely lack judgment -- they are also powerless to understand why they are so constantly undervalued by public opinion. That sounds awfully like the language you use to describe high Fi, but in fact, the way he uses it, and the purpose are to understand the nature of how emotions impact reality. Earlier in his life, from what I gather, he was definitely oriented toward the senses (he seems to have been a visual person as much as an auditory one - he said that when he was young, he wanted to be either a musician or a painter, and he ended up actually being both though he was obviously much more famous for the former; and there's a lot out there about his pre-finally-falling-in-love-with-Iman sexcapades), and though he /was/ good at being a provocateur and was interested in chasing fame, it seems to me to have come from a more Fi-ish place than a Fe-ish one - a raw desire to make more of himself and end up in a position to throw himself all into his chosen line of work, namely the arts, for lack of better phrasing. ""Inmythology,folkloreandspeculative fiction,shapeshiftingis the ability of a being or creature to completely transform its physical form or shape. "Edmonds: "Yeah, came to believe it. '' The same way it can be applied to David Lynch, Nick Cave, Franz Kafka or Dario Argento. " Documentary INFJ David Bowie - Five Years https://vimeo. I'm an awful liar. He's far too self-aware to be a 3. In addition to being like Tilda, an INFJ 5w4 Sx/Sp, his comments about seeking out isolation to feel and explore something are uncannily similar to the way Annie Clark (also INFJ 5w4 Sx/Sp) describes her process of writing "Strange Mercy. Randomness, exploration of possibilities in a broad sense, extroversion, his methods of work prove Ne use all over the place. More like the power of cock. INFJs for example, collect information from their intuition, but also from their Se environment which gets filtered through their Ti before their Ni analyzes it. Dylan and Bowie left themselves at the whims of their own imagination and perceptions of things and where it lead them. Compare that to Andy Warhol (3w4) opinion on Los Angeles: "I love Los Angeles, and I love Hollywood. ENFPs are many things, but the last thing I'd call them are "enigmas". Vincent, who followed a similar path, is an so/sx 4 who went from alt rock to more electronic experimentation. why not just david bowie. He avoids making any value judgements, but rather tries to turn the interviewers questions upside down by making individualistic but ultimately detached statements. " As soon as Ziggy dies onstagethe infinites take his elements and make themselves visible. the guy was a unique artistic provocateur. html ''Sounds just like what I'd expect out of an ISFP 3w4''. Agree with matejko, he was a true individualist artistic type. In fact, the MBTI ISTJ and ISFJ are clearly Te and Fe Jungian types first and foremost, not introverted irrationals. Tilda Swinton (INFJ) has this to say about Bowie, who she was good friends with: "I'm from the same planet as David Bowie. You can't stand still on one point for your entire life. "I lived a lot in my imagination. Bowie seems to marvel at Iggy's spontaneity and quick mind. I don't understand the ENTP votes. ": https://www. He absorbs emotions from whoever he's with. My comment prior to this was more re: the light oversimplification tends to put 3s in in general than anything else, for the record, but re: Bowie, I'm not actually trying to fight your typings, for what it's worth. So I found it quite easy to write for the artists that I would create. It's a blister on the backside of humanity, really, whereas Detroit has real people energetically trying to survive. They don't shy away from sharing who they are. 4w3That makes no sense because Bowie is the archetypal Ne user. Except that everything they describe is Ne opportunism. Jim Morrison was another ENFP with an effortless rock-star persona. Anyway, the reason is good you brought Dylan into conversation is because the same things about Bowie being an enigma applies just as well to Dylan. ,,The latter might be regarded as the normal case, since there is a general tendency of this type to confine himself to the perceptive character of intuition. Then when the time comes, then can channel that character into their Fe and Se to perfectly embody that role, in ways that can be so nuanced that you might not even know you are looking at the same person. lots of copying and pasting involved, but since scotty asked how deep Bowie got with his ideas/obsessions as his "singular focus", I'll copy all that info from his interviews here. People will do anything, no matter how absurd, in order to avoid facing their own soul. After that, he obfuscated himself in songs with multiple character perspectives, metaphors and symbolism. "Bowie: "It did snowball itself. ""As Bowie has admitted, the Nazi elements of the Duke persona are entirely intentional. Everybody's plastic, but I love plastic. " Oh, EON, I just thought of one more thing in relation to what you said about how Ne likes to change things up and not stay with things for too long. See here for Levels of Development for type 4. In Bowie's case, however, it seems he starts with an idea, such as the idea of isolation, and then he pushes himself into a position where he must experience that or creates a character who must experience it and by proxy, understanding how he abstractly constructs their psyche feels their reeling and their emotion. Who was the black magician. That's why I loved drugs so much. So much experimentalism in fact that even iconoclastic 5w4 artists like Scott Walker and Trent Reznor praised him for his fearlessness. Its nostalgic quality is very unusual for Bowie, exploring his inferior Si when facing death. As a rule, the intuitive stops at perception; perception is his principal problem, and -- in the case of a productive artist-the shaping of perception. I think it's that same evasion of talking about one's own feelings, that creates this misunderstanding where others stereotypically see INFJs as "mysterious", "otherwordly", and "elusive". Not putting his career first, not putting 'hey this was successful so I better hold onto that'. ""I’ve always found that I collect. com:"The Many Faces of INFJ -- Subtype: The Method ActorOh the power of the persona, when you project an image, people will create your identity based on that image, regardless of what is actually going on in your head. 3w4 + ENFPhttp://brianmay. Although he was a complex individual, interested in many things (ENxPs are the most cultivated people I ever met), including Ni fileds (like I mentioned with The Man Who Sold The World), he was not a judger, had no real ethics, message etc and his intuition was not focussed, limited, introverted, even dare I say subjective. It's all there, presented in their creative work. Before I believed him to be a Ne-dom with a well-developed Ni. In the mid to late 1970's, he told interviewers about his obsession with writing characters for his songs that are based on Adolf Hitler. David Bowie: "I always thought that I should change all the time … I know for a fact that my personality now is totally different to what it was then. It was this Arthurian need, this search for a mythological link with God. At his unhealthiest, his need to look unique was emphasized, but that changed later on. You can see Trent Reznor talking more about that here: https://www. In my view, ENFP have actually more Se than INFJ. Well it took me some time to understand that being detached, somewhat cerebral was not necessarily Ti over Fi in Ne doms. N and P are the clearest letters. The search for the Holy Grail. One fine example of this is one of his earliest songs from his first self-titled album called "The Maid of Bond Street". That goes against the very grain of what Fi is: consistent self-narrative and values. I had this religious fervour. I'm a collector. "And you asked how an introverted type could be mistaken for a "social chameleon", I direct you to one of many topics on the INFJ subreddit, this one titled "Does socializing ever feel like acting for you. All those songs are about herself using plenty of first-person pronouns. I was still doing Arts Laboratory type things and street theatre at the time. "Francis Whately: "The David Bowie that I knew in my limited way was incredibly courteous, was incredibly polite, well informed, utterly charming. I see that some people still believe he's 3w4 over 4w3, so I'll make my case for 4w3. "It looks like idlebody is a woman XD Erase and rewind, sowwy XDSo I was the first to defy everyone here saying Bowie was INFJ and now we see Scotty drooling all over idlebody's profile page. ISFP is a stupid typing due to CT. ""Usually I avoid any kind of interaction if it will eventually result in more than myself and another person. I'm kind of peeved with 3-ishness being reduced to association with fabrication, artifice, and always being able to conveniently blend in anywhere as opposed to 4's authenticity and integrity when, from my understanding, it's more that 3ishness (3w4ishness, at least) is more about trying to distinguish oneself through actions and skillsets and always trying to become "more" as opposed to a 4ish trying to get to the bottom of and tap into an essence that's more personal. v=YOBQBbqSs1gLet's Dance was Bowie's most commercially successful album, but he regards it as his worst album. Also, think what Bowie's career is all about: it's constant change and re-invention. Jung about introverted irrationals. While I definitely associate Cornell or Dylan with Ni, there is no way IMO that Bowie is anything else than a strong Ne user. I've yet to see a clear defense for Ne-Bowie. Bob Dylan is still writing straightforward Fi-Se-Ni songs. I found that in real life ENFPs are often more selfish, self-centered than ENTPs, who themselves are quite warm and considerate towards their close ones. To me it sounds more like ''I see him ISFP no matter what, so any qoute you say, I'll just say it's ISFP''. " When his music career took off, he resorted to using drugs and alcohol as a crutch to deal with that shyness and social anxiety. " Both Ni and Ti are left-brained analytical functions. They work together, and one just feeds off the other. I guess the context I was trying to put it in was that Bowie was always someone who did whatever he felt like doing, at any point in his career, even at the earliest stages of it, and there was nothing anyone could do or say to stop him. I thought, Fuck that. Even if acting isn’t your thing, every INFJ still has this in them, and it often comes out in other ways. v=lFIDXXDsxAo 9s and 4s aren't connected in anyway. I want to be plastic. I tried real hard to see him as an ENFP, but the more I looked at it the more cerebral and detached he seemed to me. Even admitting that his fan-favorite characters Ziggy Stardust, Thin White Duke, et al are actually reinterpretations of Hitler. Anyway, I'm not sure I should argue since I think I've made fair enough arguments before on this page and you seem to have an opposite consideration of Fe/Fi seing how you always type (Bergman page and all). Well, that goes totally against Fi-dom in MBTI functions. ''He has a keen nose for things in the bud pregnant with future promise. In the mid to late 1970's, he told interviewers about his obsession with writing characters for his songs that are based on Adolf Hitler. INFJ have inferior Se,which causes a fascination with Se, but when INFJ try to get into Se directly it requires lots of effort, think of Marlyin Manson, and his grotesque display of Se. No way this guy is a sensor. (Ex)Fan of Brian Molko and Arcade Fire, both NF. Nobody wonders who the "real" them is. Type 3 elitism is feeling more rich, successful, and famous than others. The genesis of the idea actually comes from his song Somebody Up There Likes Me, Bowie states: 'One of the most interesting songs on the new album is "Somebody Up There Likes Me," a warning about the danger of hero worship. And I don't get what kind of function theory involves starting from the lower functions in that order (Se to Ti to Ni). Dylan always tried to keep a sense of mystery and hide himself behind contradictory statements, most likely because his views on things and of himself was never very clear. " Ne users like novelty, imagination, randomness, etc. Figures whom are highly regarded (though still debated) Ni-doms. I lived a lot in my imagination. Loyal to their peers and to their internal value systems, but not overly concerned with respecting laws and rules if they get in the way of getting something done. Detached and analytical, they excel at finding solutions to practical problems.. To address the other part of your statement, Bowie's not a 3. That is actually one of the few self-revealing songs of his I can think of. INFJ so/sx 4w3 7w6 8w9 (The Messenger)Also, the way I determined David Bowie was social instinct first was through his music. First, to answer why Bowie was an introvert, not an extrovert. And he was quite clear about what difference that would make to how this voice should be. He never gets into a studio with songs already written, he's looking for a meaningful acccident (just like someone like Robert Altman would). Someone who finds it easier to write for others than about himself =/= MBTI Fi-dom. Bowie ran off to Berlin to escape the sycophants of Los Angeles. And I’ve always just seemed to COLLECT PERSONALITIES, ideas. Trent Reznor said of Bowie: "[David] seems to have not only created one larger than life identity, but then while [that identity] was getting bigger, threw it out and created another one, threw that out, and created another one. The problem is that they base their identity largely on their feelings which are ever-changing. Total ISFPISFP 3w4 makes zero sense. High Fi has the ability to pin-point a certain emotion or instinct in themselves and then develop a character out of that or see the link between apparently unrelated kind of people. Then the articles started coming out 'This Isn't Rock & Roll. Same goes for Grimes and Kanye West. The way I determined this is by deconstructing the themes in his music. Why is that the ''social chameleon'' role has been asigned to an introverted type. @idlebody I was reading a couple of Evan Rachel Wood interviews, and she being a person obsessed with David Bowie said that Tilda Swinton (whom she also admires) was like a female version of Bowie. ' I've said it in a thousand different ways. Bowie developped his introverted side in the second half of his life. I really want to use it. personalitypathways. 4s are linked to 1s and 2s. He also was obsessed with symbols and archetypes and used quite a lot of them in his work. He wrote this song before he became famous. Might need to right click and enlarge to read the subtitles: David Bowie:"I'm not a great singer, but I can interpret the song which I don't think is quite the same as singing it. To get back on track - what function is supposed to be more likely to explore so many ideas that they can describe this approach as "collecting ideas". And it's only because what is inside is so vulnerable that the shell has to be so hard. Patti Smith is an ENFP 4w5 sx/so and her music has stayed folk/rock. : I'm not sure whether it is me changing my mind, or whether I lie a lot. But his main obsessions were Adolf Hitler, Aleister Crowley, and Nietzsche. This is unrelated to Bowie, but I'd type Iggy Pop a sexual 4 after watching this interviewwhere he states that he would cut himself impulsively on stage with shards of glass because he felt ashamed. "Sure, ENFPs do like to change things up in the external world, but why would a type that values Introverted Feeling change personalities. He wrote this song when he was only sixteen years old which he then later got recorded when he was 23. I can't say that life'spainsor more tragic episodes have been diminished because of it. [Los Angeles] is sort of a callus. I'm just a very good actor. His sense of humour (compared to Ricky Gervais by Blackstar's musicians) and way of behaving in live conditions (telling jokes etc) is sheer Ne. Actors play someone else, I play myself. The starmen that he is talking about are called the infinites, and they are black-hole jumpers. really really ENFP "exploration" of universes, of new stuff, always looking for something new, he feels what can be possible, tries and manages. It's because Celebrity Types has him as ISFP, I think. They enjoy tinkering with ideas, perspectives, theories, visions, stories, symbols, and metaphors. Ain't that just like him. "David Bowie, 1995 interview: "I was very aware of the idea of androgyny or an unknown gender being attached to most priesthoods in the East. An interview with William Burroughs from 1974:. He even says in an interview ,,I'm only Bob Dylan when I have to be Bob Dylan, the rest of the time I can just be myself. By telling us flatly about the inauthencity of that world through his music, he actually became the most authentic musician of his time. Definitely J over P. I've always found that I collect. But now I understand the case to be the opposite. He talks about how his stage persona is a construct that doesn't really reflect who he actually is. Zeego, I did not say that he was interested in cult leaders in general. Could you tell me more about that. Ne explores potential, it explores "what is possible". My main issues here are:. Sure, the Ni type that makes his perception into a moral problem can be a J, but like Jung says, that's not the general case, the general case is the artist who confines himself at the level of perception, so a P type first and foremost. Introverted intuition typically creates a unique vision and arrives at unique insights about things, phenomena, or people. When I heard someone say something intelligent, I used it later as if it were my own. It's more obvious when you compare the Jungian Si type and the MBTI ISxJ, they're completely different. "For more examples of Bowie's Ni, allanyone has to do is look at his creations to see the constant pattern in his work. Okay, that kind of obsession would fit how a lot of people look at Ni, although it'd be more like Ji in Jung-based functions. If you enjoyed this entry, find out about the personality types of Music and Music Industry characters list.. They don't have a carein the world and are of no possible use to us. ENTPs I know are the opposite, their Fe making them warmer. He always changed his mind, and was honest about it. He was an ogre for me. ''from their lowest health level (9)'' Sounds just like what I'd expect out of an ISFP 3w4, and why was my vote changed to INFJ. " doesn't sound like a product of some kind of deep analysis, and in fact it sounds like he used this idea primarily to create a lot of possibilities, however obsessed he was with it. Discover Array, and more, famous people, fictional characters and celebrities here!. But let me state my case :. The 3s are good at being able to know which things they do that garner the most amount of positive attention and will continue on that path to achieve the very best. "From Ian Cogdell's 'The Nine Dots': "The Jungian focus of this E-pattern is Introverted Intuition. Sorry wrong lyrics from Sledgehammer. The point of the exploration of this character would be to understand the overall underlying nature of the feeling itself, to inform the experienced emotion and give it some context to the construction of a moral code (holistic vision of the ego function). became a little Hitler. Adolf Hitler was one of the first rock stars. Doesn't make them any less of a Ni-dom though. And The Man Who Sold World. I decided to do them in disguise so that I didn't have to actually go through the humiliation of going onstage and being myself. To the same degree as they fail to understand themselves -- because they very largely lack judgment -- they are also powerless to understand why they are so constantly undervalued by public opinion. In case anyone doesn't know what Bowie means by "one-track person", it's someone who has a one-track mind. Also, Fi because IMO he really embodies his art. ISFP to the max. Se is very conceptual with work that they're passionate about as they almost always have different projects going on. Ni-dom is hollistic, they stick to whatever vision they have of their art, and while it changes, it changes by becoming more complex, not by jumping from one thing to another. Ah ah ah, guess all the posts down there are no good for you. I stil can see him as a very conceptual ENFP, maybe in the range of a Jim Morrison or in a way John Lennon might have been, the trouble is that I sometimes spot Ti in his behaviour. What I'm really looking for is someone to prove to me that Bowie valued Fi over Fe. Once a third person has joined any kind of conversation or group that was originally supposed to be for me and one other I instantly go into observer/listener mode and don't actively try to participate. If so, do you see Bowie as left-brained. On the other hand, here are the characteristics of introverted feeling: - seek to understand their own behaviors, motivations, desires, and beliefs - are ruled by their own subjective and personal values - focus on how behaviors and motivations of others are the same or different than their own - focus on being true to who they are. I really can't imagine an ISFP talking like him in interviews. Never really have. '' gets to be typed as a J by default as in Bowie's case, or to be considered a Fi-dom in Dylan's case. That said, I might just be reacting to buzzwords and I do understand arguments for Bowie as a 3 and as a 4 both, though I still personally cast my vote for 3 - I just wanted to get that bee out of my bonnet. and seemingly skipping from genre to genre and style to style, fearlessly. Indeed he said in 72 « I could never work with a computer ». If not an artist, he is frequently an unappreciated genius, a great man 'gone wrong', a sort of wise simpleton, a figure for 'psychological' novels. This does not cause the end of the world for Ziggy. I'm not going to cater to you and a few other people raising ambiguity about her type in another forum. I think it screams inferior Si.

. I didn’t really need company particularly. "The Power of Ni". That would be doomed ^^ "It seems that he uses that program to aid his inspiration, if he really was a strong Intuitive type I think it have been quite easily for him to come up with all those word-associations without using that silly device to help him. The so/sx instinct stacking in particular, regardless of enneatype, is described as being "attuned to pop culture and the latest trends". 3w4 sx/so seems possible because its almost his song and appearance are almost equal. I'm glad Bowie is finally getting validation as an INFJ. The Se is however subordinated to Ne so it's usually not apparent. But it's allowed me so many moments of companionship when I've been lonely and a sublime means of communication when I wanted to touch people. Obviously I don't so what's the point. 3s like Madonna and Ricky Martin have very rarely veered away from their pop sound, which has proven to be successful for them, because veering away into more experimental music would mean the risk of losing their success. Tony DeFries did all that he could to keep "Low" from being released, but Bowie managed to have it released anyway. Introverted intuitive types frequently will have complex visions or perspectives that they are unable to explain with clarity to others. "I think my problem used to be that I was always shy and fairly awkward in social situations," Bowie says. They are extroverted, idealistic, charismatic, outspoken, highly principled and ethical, and usually know how to connect!. Are you actually typing out the letters as if he is clearly introverted, intuitive, feeling, and judging. They're beautiful. that sounds very Un-ISFP like. I will agreed he did display the persona of an INFJ in his career. But they couldn't be more wrong. It's part of the shell that I've always built up around myself. In an interview with Stevens he mentions that he usually takes from his own experience as a starting point and speaks of characters from there. Basically shifting all focus off of himself and into supporting Iggy. Those original shamans have mutated into the entertainer. I think he is ENFP, and people only judge his characters or personas and don’t type David Jones but more of Ziggy or Thin White Duke. He created Ziggy, a new-age preacher character with a messiah complex. And I've always seemed to just collect personalities, ideas. They arrive somewhere in Greenwich Village. He wrote the song "The Supermen" which is based on Nietzsche's Ubermensch. During the Diamond Dogs era he recorded a whole concert with the musicians on the left of the stage not hearing the musicians on the right. When David Bowie creates characters, like Ziggy Stardust for example, his intentions with the character are to explore that character's psyche, what motivates that character, what naive idealistic expectations that character may have, what that character's inevitable downfall might be (example: Ziggy commits suicide) , as well as what emotional state that character is in. I think it's close but his comfort with letting musicians in the studio do their own thing and lack of control in terms of musicianship seems quite Fe. Rest in peace. In this site you can find out which of the 16 types this character 'David Bowie' belongs to!. Or we can even look at the sexual 4s. But the crank contents himself with the intuition by which he himself is shaped and determined. "David Bowie, 1997 interview: "Looking for sustenance, looking for something outside of ourselves for sustenance, can only lead to depression, I think. If you had said that Ne was about exploring possibilities, then I would have agreed with you. We can see from this interview that he's very N and P. He wrote the song "The Supermen" which is based on Nietzsche's Ubermensch. I think it's less what of the 16 types is he and more which ENxP is he. I really don't know how someone could be more N than this. and I think ENTP is more likely (how can a ISFP could be typed a 3 so clearly, it doesn't make sense. Lanois had to lock him down to finish the lyrics of one song. I’d like my death to be as interesting as my life has been and will be. I didn't really have the nerve to sing my songs on stage, and nobody else was doing them. I don't see how anyone can get xNTP for Marilyn Manson, he is archetypal INFJ:In a 1997 Rolling Stone interview, Marilyn Manson stated "Sometimes I wonder if I'm a character being written, or if I'm writing myself. He was also very concern with the internet, from the start, and has an undestranding of technology that fits ENTP better than ENFP. "David Bowie, 1993 interview: "All the great mystic religions put strong emphasis on the redeeming spiritual qualities of sex. With your Ni vs Ne thing though, I wonder: how deep did Bowie actually analyze this concept. Bowie has no problem with imagination. That's what Bowie is all about. I don't know much about Iggy, but he seems like an ExxP from what I do know. "Peter Gabriel and Bowie do share similarities when it comes to seeing their work from the outside. When you ask an extraverted feeler, especially one who's an INFJ, how they really feel they're not going to know what to say. "David Bowie, 1996 interview: "Spirituality has been a recurrent qualification of my work from the day I started writing. But no, I'm always the retard according to him. She does not have issues writing songs about herself. Ni doms are way more focussed and have a strong consciousness of their visions (they even tend to dislike dispersion). Bowie was showing how easily an audience would fall under the spell of a Hitler-figure. It's not an immediate, spontaneous thing like it is for Ne users. That, combined with extraverted feeling and his average to high health levels is going to make him seem like he's not a 4, even though he actually is. My vote keeps changing too. Whether or not it was a good thing that I did, I don't know. Se is fluid and constantly moving. What I meant is that Ne supported by Fi has less concentration and may seem more superficiial than Ne supported by Ti. In fact, the artists who stay the same are the suspicious ones to me speaking as a sp/sx; they either stay the same because they don't wanna loose their fans or they lack enough creativity to evolve. But if you look at social 4s, their music style has and will alway change. "As with all introverts, INFJs’ and INTJs’ first order of business is an internal one. Read now what Jung had to say about extroverted intuitive type:. "I was a kid that loved being in my room reading books and entertaining ideas," Bowie recalls. Jung theorized that the dominant function acts alone in its preferred world: exterior for extraverts and interior for introverts.. "Fromhttps://www. So, Intuitive, lead with extroverted perception: clear Ne-dom. I don't see how his fascination with cult leaders and Hitler figures rules out NP types, after all a lot of famous spiritual or "cult" leaders in recent history (L. the quotes confirmed it. Where does he show exploring it with depth. mysterymeat are you the admin changing our votes to INFJ. That's generally how it is for Ni types. ENFP is also possible. Just my general Bowie knowledge and some random quotes made me realize he's INFJ. Gabriel adresses his feelings directly, is quite expressive. If you're not talking about J/P, then you've lost me. Anyway, I guess you realize that several of us abandoned function stacks. You seem to think that only Ne-valuing types are interested in exploring ideas and somehow Ni-valuing types focus on one idea and one idea only. For more examples of Bowie's Ni, allanyone has to do is look at his creations to see the constant pattern in his work. I can't help but think he's the same type as me; he's much too similar. He considers his creations to be acting roles with a combination of many external influences. What that post manages to prove is that Bowie is N-dom. Everybody can have lonely feelings and explore them through songwriting. It reflects the way he thinks. v=LwTFW4kfHl4David Bowie does have some Fi, mainly because he's a 4w3, but his Fe outweighs his Fi. They just seem Perception leading Perceptive types. I found that I'd taken back to England with me a character who was the epitome of everything that it looked like could be happening to England. Ne is his dominant function, his worldview, his driving force. It's part of their adaptive social ability to be a student of culture. Bowie is Ne incarnate and one of the most intuitive musicians of his time. She's ESTP 3w4. Those are all INFP musicians and their stuff is great - But it's all largely the same. A lot of people don't accept David Bowie as a 4w3 simply because they find him "too charming" to be a 4, but the reality is that 4w3 so/sx is the most charming, humorous, and sexually appealing of all type 4 stackings. See Daniel Lanois talking about Gabriel’s indecisive character in the making of So. The comparison is still valid in my view since we can see that 82% of people on this site voted that she is an Ni dominant. But exploring possibilities =/= exploring ideas. I know expert but from a slight deduction I would guess ENTP but with a weird uncommon enneagram combination like 4w3. His self-referential humour and constant joking is also very Ne. For INFJs who value both Ni and Fe, they can switch between personas to suit whomever they encounter. His need for reinvention, his ch-ch-ch-ch-changes. That quote can equally apply to Dylan: ,,perception is his principal problem, and -- in the case of a productive artist-the shaping of perception. His work makes no reference to Charles Manson or any of those other leaders you've listed. Extraverted feeling characteristics: - seek to understand others behaviors, motivations, desires, and beliefs - focus on observable patterns of behaviors and motivations - are focused on the dynamics of how people relate to each other - seek to objectively understand the feelings of others. "All through my youth, I would use bravado and device – costume and flamboyant behavior – in a desperate attempt to not be iced out of everything. I'm sure he's a 3w4 as well, which correlates more often with ENxP than ISFP. '"Edmonds: "When you first started doing the Ziggy Stardust character, before it got to the point where you. What type is (was) this guy. EON, thank you for taking the time to respond. He adores INFPs so much. I think they are the most powerful set of symbols that have been invoked in terms of political history. And I've always seemed to just collect personalities, ideas. He even says in an interview ,,I'm only Bob Dylan when I have to be Bob Dylan, the rest of the time I can just be myself. (Albeit it'd come from a different place in a 3 than in a 4. David Bowie has said countless times how Ziggy Stardust, Aladdin Sane, Halloween Jack, The Thin White Duke, Nathan Adler, or anything other character he's created are nowhere close to his "true" self. ENFP are: Ne-Fi-Fe-Se-Ni-Te-Ti-Si. He later adapted this into It's No Game on Scary Monsters: https://www. 'China girl' is my favorite song ^_^ but he didn't write that one alone. If you want to compare ENFP Bowie to someone who really has a similar career and is without a doubt INFJ, go see Peter Gabriel. While the musicians jammed on the Outside sessions, he painted and listened to them. " Tbh idles quotes are almost having me lean that way but INFP definitely seems likely as well. Because I'm quite cautious when it comes to the dichotomies. Who was the magus. That quote can equally apply to Dylan: ,,perception is his principal problem, and -- in the case of a productive artist-the shaping of perception. That's what being an intuitive is all about. I did find it much easier having created Ziggy and to then write for him. His approach is VERY different to Lady Gaga. David Bowie: "There are several things on this album that lead front other things I've done. He's more likely INFJ but no one has voted that one either. INFJ confirmed. But that is it. "Only a couple years after that interview, Bowie created Ziggy who in turn became the "leper messiah" figure sung about in the Ziggy Stardust song. If you listen to Bob Dylan or Lana del Rey, you'll get some pretty straightforward Fi-Se-Ni songs about answers blowin in the wind or finding oneself on the open road. He said this about the album: "I remember looking out over these waves of people [who were coming to hear this record played live] and thinking, ‘I wonder how many Velvet Underground albums these people have in their record collections. To say that only Ne-valuing types explore ideas is a bit ignorant to say the least. Also, MBTI-wise, I don't feel like "Blackstar" is a good single example of anything overall, since it was at the very end of his life - he'd had plenty of time to develop all of his mind by the time he released that album, which someone like him certainly would have. And that became obsessive with me. Sure, the Ni type that makes his perception into a moral problem can be a J, but like Jung says, that's not the general case, the general case is the artist who confines himself at the level of perception, so a P type first and foremost. so/sx 4s show a softer, friendlier side to the public, while only the people closest to them will know of their darker melancholic side. No need to strawman me here and say that I am ignorant because I only think Ne types explore ideas. its vast potential is untapped'' could be Ni, but it can also be Ne: look how many possibilities this internet thing offer. com/music/news/beat-godfather-meets-glitter-mainman-19740228. Go on youtube and search Enneagram tritype 478 and you'll find a video that describes David Bowie's unique personality combination. You could find very personal and deep lyrics from songs like Secret World, Blood of Eden where the Ni+Fe is quite obvious. His songwriting style is not at all straightforward like an ISFP's songwriting. Lana Del Rey, Jimi Hendrix, M. Towards the end, Bowie became comfortable with who he was. On a more controversial note, I re-tough the MBTI function order in order to make it fit better with my personal observations, and use all 8 functions in a more logical arrangement, rather than holistic and simplified function axes. This will be my last comment on Bowie's type. God knows what it is looking for, but if it's not careful it's going to end up with a Hitler. Keep reading to learn more about what goes into your Myers-Briggs personality type—and maybe discover what yours is.. Politeness and curtoasy isn't really just a FJ thing. I change my mind a lot. David had a lot of shame related to being "himself", he didn't think he was that particularly interesting nor that he had social savvy, so he felt he needed to create characters and hide himself in them. Youtube him and then compare him to Bowie. ’ His feelings about who this person was were quite specific. He seizes hold of new objects and new wayswith eager intensity, sometimes with extraordinary enthusiasm, only to abandon them cold-bloodedly, without regard and apparently without remembrance, as soon as their range becomes clearly defined and a promise of any considerable future development no longer clings to them. Bowie has always been fascinated by randomness, cut up methods, his verbasizer shows this very well. Back in the early 1970s before Ziggy Stardust, Bowie wrote the Ni-Ti song "Quicksand" on Hunky Dory. There are ways to reconcile it which is why I won't call it an outright contradiction but in Bowie's case it does make me wonder how that works, or if he is giving the most accurate, unbiased assessments of himself. The face of America that we have to put up with is the McDonalds/Disney/Coke face, this really homogenous, bland cultural invasion that sweeps over us — which is unfortunate, because the aspects of America that are really magical to us are the things it seems to reject, likeblack magic, or the Beat poets: there's an incredibly strong individuality about America that gets glossed over by the corporate invasion. Sex becomes a release of energy. That intrigued me about the Nazis. Also, too many sheeples on this website. His feelings depend on external sources. Ok you've convinced me ISFP. I could buy some function magic argument where the mythical Ni superpowers are something that he possesses but there is no way you can really say he is a "judger", nor can you for Annie Clark, who multiple people are questioning about her "Ni" which you seem to just not pay attention to. IMO the fact that Bowie was a chameleon, a great impersonator, shows he is definitely not INFJ. ' He wasn’t rowdy or raucous. So I don't see your logic in how or why you'd think that makes Bowie 3w4 and Fi-valuing. It all tends to become the content of my songs. I did pay attention Scotty but I'm not going to do so in another forum. That is the only reason. But in Los Angeles it's fabrication in real life. I saw the National Front and it was obvious to me: There was a Nazi Party in England. You don't seem to have a good grasp on what Ni is in cognitive theory. He was no politician. He was about 24 years old when he wrote it. When the infinites arrive, they take bits of Ziggy to make themselves real because in theiroriginal state they are anti-matter and cannot exist on our world. At work, INFJs may look like INTPs (laid back geniuses) and socially, they may resemble ENFPs (charismatic idealists) or ESFJs (social organizers). Trent Reznor goes onto say that creating music is also a business, and that Trent himself was afraid at times of not being able to pay rent if he decided to change his music. I think here it's the difference between the ,,enigmatic'' perception types like Bowie or Dylan who were always enigmatic, contradictory and changing, and someone like Patti Smith which was more clear in her judgements and self-perception: Smith probably had a much more differentiated judging function even tough a P-leading type as well. He wasn’t an attention-seeking guy in the way a lot of really extroverted people are. "And this idea of Ni being connected to the idea of left-brained-ness is a new one to me. That's what Ziggy was. artistic self-expression and originality were more important to him than achievement and success. Bowie didn't see himself as an extrovert. His tritype is 4-7-8. Ignore my comments below saying Peter Gabriel is ENFP because he's also INFJ. It's Enneagram 4 type's defense mechanism. Introverted intuition reflects on patterns, relationships, symbols, meanings, and perspectives on matters from complex phenomena to magical connections to practical problems. So much of what he writes about is a social commentary about the times he was living in. Ziggy was a caricature he created to portray the inauthenticity of what it means to play the role of the "rock musician". ) but I won't try to convince anyone artists with feelings don't have to be FPs. "^ This is called Introjection by the way. Even admitting that his fan-favorite characters Ziggy Stardust, Thin White Duke, et al are actually reinterpretations of Hitler. one-track mind(noun phrase)Definition: Amindlimitedtoorobsessedwithasingleidea,theme,etc. @Bobnickmad I respect what you say about the power of Fi, but once again I believe it is imperative that we look within the overall vision of the worker to see how it is relating to the function stack and the ego. Instead he decided he would follow Iggy Pop on his "Lust for Life" tour and become Iggy Pop's touring keyboard player. To quote Carl Jung, on Introverted Intuitive dominants: "The peculiar nature of introverted intuition, when given the priority, also produces a peculiar type of man, the mystical dreamer and seer on the one hand, or the fantastical crank and artist on the other. A healthy 4 lets go of the belief that they are missing something that others have. The latter might be regarded as the normal case, since there is a general tendency of this type to confine himself to the perceptive character of intuition. It's really isn't anything scientifically established, so no reason to cling to it. When really it's their exploration and discovery of the behavioral patterns and feelings of others that helps an INFJ discover their inner self. David Bowie, 1999 interview: "I was quite content spending days without saying a word to anybody, quite alone, getting on with my own obsessive thing, whatever that happened to be at the time. I'm a collector. ] He didn’t draw attention to himself. In fact, that's the whole point of ,,No Direction Home'' by Martin Scorsese, there is no Bob Dylan the person, just the name under which the many faces of the same artist are brought together. That song is yet another way. Really, I'm a very one track person. Marilyn Manson is xNTP, so wouldn't that make him an Ne user. I think here it's the difference between the ,,enigmatic'' perception types like Bowie or Dylan who were always enigmatic, contradictory and changing, and someone like Patti Smith which was more clear in her judgements and self-perception: Smith probably had a much more differentiated judging function even tough a P-leading type as well. I was not Ziggy Stardust. His explorations were very sensual. Neverteless, Bowie is not really a clear I or E type, but seems to have an E prefereance + some traits typically associated with introverts. If anything Ne can be somewhat more creative than Ni. @Scotty No sir it is a technique so that you pronounce the letters slower. Well, admiring someone's spontaneity doesn't mean one isn't spontaneous himself, just that the other person outdoes him. Human rights of LGBT in the 70's, post-Cold War division of Germany, post-hippie depression, black equality, the list goes on. I don't understand why some people here think that any image type who changes a lot automatically makes them a Ne-valuing type. Taken from Enneagram Institute:"In the course of their lives, Fours may try several different identities on for size, basing them on styles, preferences, or qualities they find attractive in others. Tony Visconti tells us that Where are we now is very far from Bowie’s nature. I could had that his friendship with Jodorowsky and his interest in Jung (writing a song about him and all) is also demonstrative of Ni, but you could answer that Bowie produced a record like The Man Who Sold The World, inspired by Nietzsche and Aleister Crowley, Ni users. The end comes when the infinites arrive. He can never exist in stable, long-established conditions of generally acknowledged thoughlimited value: because his eye is constantly ranging for new possibilities, stable conditions have an air of impending suffocation. That may seem paradoxical, but ENFP are also often taken for xSFP because of their lack of concentration and care of details (inferior Si) while ENTPs have fewer chances of passing for a Se user. As a rule, the intuitive stops at perception; perception is his principal problem, and -- in the case of a productive artist-the shaping of perception. A are all ISFPs and they're always playing with different sounds. I really can't imagine an ISFP talking like him in interviews. "David Bowie, 2002 interview: "I was a kid that loved being in my room reading books and entertaining ideas. He didn't do press or publicity for Low, he didn't even have a tour for it. You may even think an INFJ isyourtype, since they like to frequently use the social tool called ‘mirroring’, which is basically observing and copying your mannerisms in order to gain rapport with you. I felt very puny as a human. Bowie is not authentic but very aware of the use of his image, has a flair for the dramatic and business in a detached way. EON, I'd be curious to know what you think of Bowie's personality in this video here where he describes his friend Iggy Pop's songwriting process compared to his own. Despite Bowie not promoting "Low" whatsoever and receiving harsh reviews from critics upon its release, to this day it is considered one of the greatest albums ever made. But I would question anyone who said they really knew him. Through introverted intuition he manages to link the humanistic qualities between these two seemingly unrelated characters. That is what differentiates Fi-dom 4s from INFJ 4s. There are several instances of him talking about these subjects in reference to his songwriting. I'm still very unsure wether Bowie is ENTP or ENFP. People like him and Annie Clark I like to lable "Nz" types because they flip back and forth in terms of where their intuition is directed. You are using a distracting tactic. Confining oneself to the perceptive character of intuition; perception is his principal problem. Hmm, I'm not convinced :p ENTPs have inferior Si too, so why wouldn't they also be taken for SPs. You are in the best place to test MBTI and learn what type David Bowie likely is!. Before his death, in his song Blackstar, he once again plays the role of a preacher. Analyzing with Ni also seems odd, as it's a perceiving function. I never claimed Bowie is 3 tough, just that the ''social chameleon'' could be more likely a 3 than a 4. Bowie is Ni and also heavily Fe. Sure you can link his interest in Nietzsche, Crowley, Jung, Mishima etc to Ni. Tony wanted Bowie to come back and continue making that "black music" of Young Americans that garnered Bowie so much success. But I wonder what makes him Fi/Te over Ti/Fe. He could be INTP for all I know. He was an artist who took a great deal of risk. I didn't see your comment before mine. Also the stuff about ''internet is rebellion. So Bowie being cold and aloof, building walls between him and his musicians on tours, and less of a textbook idealist led me to believe he was ENTP before I switched to ENFP. And yes, one can argue that he "learned to be more self-aware as he got older", but Bowie's been writing self-aware music since his adolescence. David was more taking it all in and always studying everybody. Anyway, the reason is good you brought Dylan into conversation is because the same things about Bowie being an enigma applies just as well to Dylan. Extraverted Intuition:Ne users to tend to go broader by linking from one idea to another. I'll change my vote to INFP 4w3 for Bowie, tough I still think ambiverted fits him best, because I can't see how someone who ,,stops at perception; perception is his principal problem, and -- in the case of a productive artist-the shaping of perception. Also when you talk about valuing functions, do you mean in the Socionics sense. They say they want freedom, but when they get the chance, they pass up Nietzsche and choose Hitler because he would march into a room and music and lights would come on at strategic moments. Visconti also sees Heathen as the first moment in Bowie’s career when he adressed directly his feelings, in a very naive and childlike way (Afraid). For me, he's up there with Bryan Ferry"; and HOLY SHITTTT. Everyones an INFJ. Enneagram 4 types are all about "change", regardless of their functions. I usually don't agree with what I say very much. "I can adopt their accent. "I feel this illustrates well why he's a 4 in the enneagram and not a 3 and it also showcases his social instinct quite clearly -- David Bowie, 1997 interview discussing his song 'I'm Afraid of Americans': "That's fairly self-explanatory. v=PJ0o5Y05wKsI feel as if the case of "Low" being evidence for 4 > 3 needs more context considering you mentioning yourself that Bowie didn't actively promote it in combination with its initially being reviewed harshly. he had a bird's eye view when it came to humanity (Ni), and it's what made him so ahead of his time. Ne musicians are actually much more likely to stick to one thing, like John Lennon, Kurt Cobain, Morrissey, etc etc, because they have Si. About Peter Gabriel being INFJ: I'm very open to the idea. If an artist, he reveals extraordinary, remote things in his art, which in iridescent profusion embrace both the significant and the banal, the lovely and the grotesque, the whimsical and the sublime. What Bowie is describing is the absorption of others' personalities. But what about Bob Dylan. A beautiful story on the writing of under pressure, told by Brian May (most probably ISFJ, so inferior Ne) which further indicates Bowie was a Ne dom. Fi in the dominant positions asks that an ego be constructed which creates some sort of a moral standard or code in order to quickly deal with and in a sense rationalize the various emotional reactions that occur to separate experiences. "David Bowie, 1978 interview: "The Thin White Duke was the most scary of the lot. Look at her discography. All Dylan did it seems, was to take information from all kinds of non-related areas, from day to day life, news, literature, history and paintings, and his subconscious shaped it into powerfull imagery without imposing too much judgements of either valueing or logical kind. So they latch onto itimmediately. He then leaves one vision for his art for another (Ne-dom) but while at it, he embodies that particular vision in time (Fi). Their dominant function, Introverted Intuition (Ni), serves as the veritable foundation for this inner playhouse. com/brian/brianssb/brianssbjan16a. However they are TOTALLY different individuals when it comes to personality types or creative process. What I've said for years under various guises is that 'Watch Out, the West is going to have a Hitler. In order to create a new person, then, the introverted feeler must in some way be using an intuitive function to do so, but in the way you describe would clearly be Ne: creating a tangible character based on a certain emotion. So I was never unaware as my strength as an interpretative performer. I thought ENTP for a long time, because of his way of being detached and quite insensitive at times. I don't think I've ever typed anyone in that manner. We have to find that sustenance within ourselves. Nor do I think changing one's music style thorugh one's carier makes one a social type. People mistakenly believe that because he's not exploring himself in his music, that makes him 3w4. I'm familiar with the man's work and peculiar personality, I had the pleasure of seing him live on the Reality tour, and was absolutely convinced by the exhbition David Bowie Is that he could not be anything but ENxP. Talking about his work with Trent Reznor: "Trent is a minimalist in the way that he structures his material, my stuff tends to be over layered and conceptual". In a way it's almost a lost cause to try to determine which judging function these people mainly use (Bowie, Dylan, Lynch, Cave, Kafka, Argento) since what mainly characterized them as artists is that they mainly suppresed judging for the sake of intensifying their perception. For them, it's a question that requires a lot of thought and time to decipher. And ENTP 3 is still a strange combination to me ^^ I don't know, I get an ENTP vibe from him. And saying Bowie is darker than Gabriel is nonsense. Also, tqm Bonita ❤️Leave thephaxsi alone, fagotty. ,,The latter might be regarded as the normal case, since there is a general tendency of this type to confine himself to the perceptive character of intuition. That they want to live those things they imagine in the real world, unlike INP who just likes to create imaginary world with lots of detail, ENFP wants to actually live their dreams. Why because he's artistic. I'd say an extrovert would be better at being a social chameleon than any introverted type, so not sure way it's a trait associated with an introverted type, rather than extroverted type. Anyway Se/Ni over Ne dom for Bowie does not make any sense. And to answer your other question, all intuitive types "collect" information. I don't exactly lie, I change my mind all the time. Also, the poster says that Cumbercatch and Mulligan, recognized INFJs aren't, so he's probably biased in his view of what INFJs are like, and probably gives Ni-doms more credit than Ne-dom when it comes to abstraction. He’d know who the person singing it was, and their attitude. Se doesn't stay in one place. com/thomson/type2. For example, Patti Smith's never been an enigma. And they tear him to pieces onstage during the song "Rock and Roll Suicide. " It's Ni to the bone and no one seems to question it with her. that's where I was at in the early '70s. When Johnny Depp (4w3) transforms himself into Jack Sparrow or Mad Hatter for his roles, is he being untrue to himself for fame/success. His chameleon nature is actually incredibly Jungian. So have other famous INFJs (Gary Oldman, etc) declared that they have much preferred playing characters rather than being themselves because they loathed themselves too much. '' The same way it can be applied to David Lynch, Nick Cave, Franz Kafka or Dario Argento. The name itself refers to someone with the ability of adjusting with ease toward external condition and behavior, that is extroverted characteristics, so while an INFJ may be the most ''social chameleon''-like of the introverts, several extroverted types would still outclass it. Nor do I think changing one's music style thorugh one's carier makes one a social type. Of all the things to use as evidence for INFJ this one just seems like an argument against that type. They both process through analysis. Bowie was quite never emotional about his music on the other hand. The reason why his Ne is well-developed is because he has a 7-fix in his tritype. When I think fo Bowie, I associate him with people like Dali, Fellini, Welles, an the more I look the more I consider ENFP over ENTP, but ISFP I can't see. It's because of that ability that so many people mistakenly viewed him as "messianic" or "Godlike". Those of you questioning her Ni are in the high minority. In a way it's almost a lost cause to try to determine which judging function these people mainly use (Bowie, Dylan, Lynch, Cave, Kafka, Argento) since what mainly characterized them as artists is that they mainly suppresed judging for the sake of intensifying their perception. "Carl Jung: "There is no coming to consciousness without pain. He was very specific about who he was interested in. His "dreamy" qualities came from his tertiary Ni. Their emotional landscape, their mood which is guiding those changes. Ni-doms have to sit around waiting for their inspiration to come from the unconscious. Also, this isn't an attempt to pose this as evidence or backing so much as making a comment, but I saw someone saying somewhere that "He was really good at being David Bowie, but he didn't really know who David Jones was" - does seem like a comment someone'd make about the life and career of a 3w4. It might be this [Eno puts his hands on his hips and gives an air of loucheness] or sometimes it was another kind of person [he buries his chin in his neck in a stiff manner]. In fact, they're both kinda infamous for this reason. But most important, you comment makes it like you can see Bowie as INFJ too :DQuoting songs isn't relevant. Both N-dominants are good at seeing possibilities in things and going into abstractions. Not a wishy-washy kind of fey, flower-child thing, but a very medieval, firm-handed masculine God awareness where we go out and make the world right again. ENFPs 3 are not as frequent as ENTPs, but they are not that rare either. It has been announced that the world will end because of lack of natural resources. ] If you thought about it long enough, you could pose the question: Did Antichrist Superstar create Marilyn Manson as a vehicle for its rise to power. 4s sin is envy. Ni analyzes patterns. I'm talking about the 9 health levels of 4. No one's been able to do that yet. Taken from the INTPs over at theINTPforum. For Bowie, emotions and feelings have always been a problem. Welcome to MBTIBase - PersonalityBase, here you can learn about David Bowie MBTI type.. It a characteristic of someone who feels entraped by consistency; the anthises of an IxxJ who's a person that naturally values both internal (I) and external consistency (J). "Bowie's quote taken from this video interview:David Bowie: "I find that I'm a person who can take on the guises of different people that I meet. "@Schmendrick You mentioned that when Bowie created Blackstar at the end of his life when his functions were all developed. He is this way all the time, and is SO Ne that he uses this "silly device" to come up with things he himself wouldn't have thought of, that's how out of the box he is. There's a lot because, well, this covers several decades of Bowie's interviews and creative work. A very early example, I suppose, is Space Oddity. Without Fe and Se to collect external information, their Ni would have nothing to analyze. For this reason and a lot of others, INFJs are notoriously difficult to type. Look a the way he works using a program to write lyrics. In the 1970s, Bowie was particularly unhappy with his manager Tony DeFries. It was a real effort to become a social animal. In fact, the artists who stay the same are the suspicious ones to me speaking as a sp/sx; they either stay the same because they don't wanna loose their fans or they lack enough creativity to evolve. How did MBTI arrived at the conclusion that such a person is J if all that matters for him/her is perception. David Bowie, 1969 interview: "This country is crying out for a leader. The idea of shapeshifting is present in the oldest forms oftotemismandshamanism, as well as the oldest extant literature andepic poems, including works such as theEpic of Gilgameshand theIliad, where the shapeshifting is usually induced by the act of adeity. " To give you an idea of the responses given by other INFJs in that topic:"Only all the time. I don’t get how you can see Bowie as a J type. "David Bowie, 1993 interview: "My other fascination with the Nazis was their search for the Holy Grail. In fact, this is clearly a discussion that takes place between two NPs, tough Burroughs is more introverted. I've always found that I collect. According to Tony Visconti, Bowie also wrote this song when he was only 16, then recorded a demo for it in the early 70s. What is the best option for the MBTI type of David Bowie? What about enneagram and other personality types?. I think Bowie would have found himself in these descriptions of the extraverted intuitive type. You can read more details about the so/sx stacking here. Remember how Iggy Pop was impressed by how outgoing he was in Berlin, how large his circle of friends was. David Bowie, in 1976: "I’ve now decided that my death should be very precious. He used politics and theatrics and created this thing that governed and controlled the show for those 12 years. If you think that Fi writes only about themselves or only care about self-expression, you miss a big part of what they are. Actually, they can seem like any type, depending on which side of their multi-faceted, multi-layered personality they want to show you in whichever social context you happen to be in. It's even more obvious when Jung recapitulates the introverted irrational types and describes them in ways that are almost the opposite of the extroverted judging types and the least J overall of the types. Remember that Iggy Pop once said that Bowie knew everyone in Berlin and was a social bee, much more extraverted than himself. When I wrote the thing, I was so unlike Ziggy Stardust. Some life force. , misogynistic bitch. "David Bowie: "Musichas given me over 40 years of extraordinary experiences. Bowie's Ni-dom on the other hand created cryptic songs like Blackstar which most people still have no idea what that song is about. Nothing much left to say. This site is broken. He was certainly ambiverted as many ENFPs and INFJs can be, but he was an introvert with a social instinct which made him seem more outgoing and extroverted than he actually was. 3s and 4s could both distance themselves from and voice disapproval of a city culture or lifestyle they find un-classy, or feel estranged from other people in general. Some musician are known for their works, other is for their presentation, Bowie had both. It's been both mydoorwayofperceptionand the house that I live in. The same thing with the need for change that characterizes Bowie. It strives to discover the essence of things and fill in the missing pieces of the puzzle. This is a very similar process to Sufjan Stevens, also INFJ. It's all wrapped up in one of those stereotypical 'Johnny' songs: Johnny does this, Johnny does that — in this particular one he's hauled up as the most mundane, philistine elements of what everybody hates about America. Elliot Smith was a sp/sx 4 and his music stayed folk/bluesy. Enneagram 3 elitism is different. The INFJ can invent an character within their Ni-Fe. Also, his obsession with psychology and science fiction shown with his lyrics featuring a lot of random scientific symbolism suggests Ti. I think you arrived at the ENFP conclusion for the wrong reasons tough. In fact, that's the whole point of ,,No Direction Home'' by Martin Scorsese, there is no Bob Dylan the person, just the name under which the many faces of the same artist are brought together. Wanting to entertain, Fe: "I don't know where I'm going from here, but I promise it won't be boring"; non existant Fi: "I'm always amazed that people take what I say seriously. He strives for randomness. But writing a song for me, it never rang true. The 3s key motivations are recognition for their achievements, to have attention, and to be admired. How did MBTI arrived at the conclusion that such a person is J if all that matters for him/her is perception. I'm not buying ISFP. I honeslty think the "there's no message in my songs"/ISFP argument is a cliché. But I can't see ISTP. If anything, that just puts the last nail in the idea that he could be anything like ISFP. "Marilyn Manson has had the same issue as Bowie. Kendrick Lamar), but as for Bowie, he had a long, fulfilling, and super-productive career over which he would've had plenty of time and chance to develop all of his functions. Jung about introverted irrationals. Free in-depth and practical information on the 16 personality types, including careers and relationships.. And since when do only Ne users explore ideas. ’ I suddenly felt very apart from my audience. I'd actually argue that in Bowie's case, it's not Ne, but his so/sx stacking that's responsible for it. Apparently that idea comes from Lenore Thomson:http://www. Still, while I agree with Ni, that does not make him a J (and like I said, I no longer type by function stacks). I don't agree at all with him having ISFP traits, I think that whole ISFP thing is a joke considering that Bowie is the embodiment of Ne. If someone made a good case for it, maybe then I'd be able to get behind him being ENFP. CelebrityTypes strikes again with crap typings - this guy is like the definition of ENFP. Confining oneself to the perceptive character of intuition; perception is his principal problem. "The West is going to have a Hitler. To those of you who think he's 3w4, I advise you to go to listen to Bowie's album "Outside" and then come back and tell me if you still believe he's a 3. '' gets to be typed as a J by default as in Bowie's case, or to be considered a Fi-dom in Dylan's case. An so/sx is an embracer of change in order to keep up with the changes in culture and the latest trends. This is usually achieved through an inherent ability of a mythological creature, divine intervention, or the use of magic. Let's look at self-preservation 4s for a second to compare. Just look at some of his interviews or read about what people close to him thought of him. A truly wonderful, unique, and inspirational person. I assume you type by functions right. Him and Peter Gabriel are nearly identical except that Gabriel is so/sp and Bowie is so/sx. Donald Trump is an INFJ. « Sometimes I must fight against the idea that what is familair is necesarly mediocre » (1999). There are a ton of ISFP votes which make no sense to me. Her identity, feelings, and values are easily identifiable in her music and her memoirs. "Tony Zanetta, actor from Andy Warhol's entourage: "David [Bowie] certainly wasn’t shy but David was kind of laid back and quiet. v=Q3L58KyHC_M@bobnickmad Yay. In that same interview below, David Bowie said this about Los Angeles: "I went to Los Angeles and I lived there for a couple of years. Don Richard Riso states in his enneagram literature that 4s are identity-seekers(hence the change) and that from their lowest health level (9) until about the second-highest level (2) they are on a "search for self". Brian Eno: "David would have an identity in mind. It's a city I really detest. What does it mean that Se is subordinated to Ne. The time is five years to go before the end of the earth. I'm obviously not a native english speaker, and expressive is quite what I meant to say. I don't know who's trolling, but I would never say something like that, especially not about David Bowie. I don't even take what I am seriously"; Ni-dom: "I always had a repulsive need to be something more than human. I also find you can also see a bit Bowie's Fe on display there when, before answering the question, he asks Iggy not once but twice if it's ok for him to answer on Iggy's behalf. " A 3 would enjoy that fabricated lifestyle, but a 4 would distance themselves from it. The reason why 3s are associated with artifice is because the 3s sin is deceit (deceit with themselves and others). Intensification of intuition naturally often results in an extraordinary aloofness of the individual from tangible reality; he may even become a complete enigma to his own immediate circle. I just don't feel comfortable with more than two people. I had no problem writing something for Iggy Pop, or working with Lou Reed, or writing for Mott the Hoople -- I can get into their mood and what they want to do. The way he changes his colours is not so much an expression of the self, but it also his way of holding up a mirror to the world, showing everyone what being a human really means. He started off strictly as a fictional character. Anyway, in functions MBTI that quote would be Fe, but I personally would say it's more Extroversion than anything or at alest being so/sx. He after mastering and fully exploring a sound or idea, he left it behind and quickly moved on to a new thing. People are quite shocked when I say I'm an introvert because I'm so 'extroverted' in their eyes. I really feel like where I'm at now is where there's no line between what's on the album and what's in reality. I'll change my vote to INFP 4w3 for Bowie, tough I still think ambiverted fits him best, because I can't see how someone who ,,stops at perception; perception is his principal problem, and -- in the case of a productive artist-the shaping of perception. You're right to correct my use of the word "warm". He was a very cultivated and curious individual, "move to one thing to another when bored with the other". I understand that the things I associate with Ne in his behaviour could be seen as Se evidence. I know I write a lot of comments, so please bear with me. As a rule, the intuitive stops at perception; perception is his principal problem, and -- in the case of a productive artist-the shaping of perception. When you are a Fe-valuing type, you mirror and adjust your personality to the person you are in contact with. On drugs, once you started talking you never stopped - whether there was anybody with you or not. Thinking – Feeling, represents how a person processes information. Thinking means that a person makes a decision mainly through logic.. They just seem Perception leading Perceptive types. v=rgneB1Gy9TwDavid Bowie's advice to young upcoming artists: http://www. ENFP 4w3 sx/so. I want to be a superhuman", "People are so fucking dumb"; visionary Ni-dom: "Tomorrow belongs to those who can hear it coming", "The moment you know you know you know"; adoration towards Fi-doms: "I rate Morrissey (Steven Patrick Morrissey) as one of the best lyricists in Britain. I remember him recording I’m Afraid of Americans and saying, after one of the early takes, ‘No, he’s got to be more self-doubting than that. His quotes are very INFJ (aka WTF). I could go on. For INFJs, their Ni perceives through Fe and Se. They can write an entire story of their life, their family, their experience, their fears, their motivations, their quirks and mannerisms all within their Ni. Change my vote to INFJ. Ziggy is advised in a dream by the infinites to write the coming of a starman, so he writes "Starman," which is the first news of hope that the people have heard. But I find it extremely hard to write for me. It was very important to him to manage. His songs are nowhere close to the cryptic nature of Bowie's catalog of music. I see him as a super-in-control, well-developed ISFP, but do also see where ENFP would come from.

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