Gandalf Myers-Brigs type - MBTI, enneagram and personality type info
In the book he took like 20+ years to learn about the ring of power. He has a ton of power but is very modest and really doesn't try to shape the world apart from when strong circumstances arise. When recalling information, he consults his data of stored knowledge to reinforce his Ti-Ne possibilities. " Here's a by-the-letters argument for you: Gandalf's an INT, clearly, and a J because he's more of a planner than an improviser. I just see him more on the Fe/Ti axis. When the dwarves refuse to go to Rivendell, Gandalf leads them there without their knowledge, because he knows, for the plan to work, he needs to get Elrond to read the map. Far easier for the healthy INTP to exist which is why he comes across as one. The real INTJ is Saruman. Especially if you try to understand to the moral landscape Tolkien might've been trying to paint. You have no evidence whatsoever for Gandalf being an "Ni" type or preferring to extrovert judging. got it Gandalf is an INTJ. @jlee-blue: I like that heuristic. Don't waste your time writing about how this fictional wizard's dominant function is "Ni" and how because in this instance it is in favor of your argument even though in another it might not be, that means he is really a J who just happens to act like a P. The best that can be said about Gandalf is that, for the reasons I explained, his behavior is generally more consistent with the definition of a type who predominantly extroverts perceiving rather than judging. For example, here's your comments on the Gandalf/Bilbo thing with different explanations: "In one scene in the hobbit (3rd movie towards the end), Bilbo volunteered to travel across the battlefield to warn the dwarves of somrthing. Therefore not an INTJ. The entire point of The Hobbit is to contrast Gandalf's very P lifestyle to Bilbo's very J lifestyle and show how Gandalf gave him a sense of adventure and whimsy. INTJ and INFJ are much more grounded than their INTP and INFP counterparts who are huge dreamers and philosophers. The White may be a different story, I'm not so sure. In one scene in the hobbit (3rd movie towards the end), Bilbo volunteered to travel across the battlefield to warn the dwarves of somrthing. So from the start, Gandalf had a clear vision and plan in mind: to collect a group of dwarves, a burglar (who he picked before Bilbo even knew about the quest), and send them to obtain the Arkenstone and unite the dwarves. you can't make it. But in the movies, Gandalf is clearly shown to be basically the opposite of Bilbo, and the P/J divide is the clearest difference between the two. If anything I would say Js are less strong willed on average as they are more likely to turn to external rules and structure for guidance and concede to external standards of judgement. He pays little to no regard to schedules and rules and he changes plans on a whim. He arrives precisely when he means to. He's wiser and more powerful but noticeably less whimsical and solely focused on the outcome. He may have ethics but that tertiary Fi gives that and I have seen it in other INTJs as well. The book goes into great detail on how different he is. So though he has some P qualities, overall he's a J. " Gandalf uses his Fe to trust his word. Here you can explore of famous people and fictional characters.. I settled for INTJ when I recall his battle mode, which is kind of Se. On the other hand, I don't see much Fi with the White. Therefore not an INFJ. And that quote I posted. It's all relative and typing loses all meaning when you do it that way. Ni is all "P", thus INJs aren't as J as you might think. Of course this is just a general correlation but it makes true in theory and based off observations of real people. His communication is the opposite of that Te conciseness. Were they watching the same movies I was. Woah and since when are INTPs not strong willed. Ni types are actually usually much more direct and concerned with reality than their Ne counterparts, especially the introverts. I used my Ti-Ne to see a good possibility with good chances of you making it and surviving, and failed to see it. Gandalf the White seems INTJ. Gandalf failed to use Ni-Te to see a possibility where Bilbo can make it. Now, maybe Gandalf became a bit more J like Sauroman when he became the White, but as the Grey. Well, if anything is evidence of "Ti," that right there is it. He kinda have that INTP look and humor first. Discover Array, and more, famous people, fictional characters and celebrities here!. INTJs are Ni doms too, so they can have "mystical intuitiveness" just like INFJs. He takes things as they come. Like Anakin and Vader have different types too. seems pretty INTJ to me. Now, I definitely agree that the troll-ish quote about "good morning" is extremely INTPish, but that's very small evidence that doesn't preclude J by itself. An INTJ would have kept a much stronger watch over Frodo and Bilbo's journeys and actively reigned them in. Better, but I still completely disagree that Gandalf THE GREY is more of a planner than an improviser. But they're excellent insights into someone's inner workings and motivations. But those two types are less likelier than INTJ in my opinion. Saruman seemingly was motivated by his fear of loss of power - or something like that. And by the same logic as offered below, could I not say that Gandalf is "more J than you might think" because his "dominant function" Ti is a "introverted judging function. Can you give it to them. And Gandalf's contrast to the clearly INTJ Saruman only drives this home. But I agree that Gandalf the Grey is more P than Gandalf the White. Nothing more can be said regarding this fictional character's "functions" (an absurdity in itself) that can be even close to accurate or consistent or that I couldn't rip a hole in to argue Gandalf is in fact ESFP. And let us not forget "A wizard is never late, nor is he early. An INTJ with stronger Ni/weaker Te than most would be like this. Drawing an arbitrary line as to "how J" a type should be because of a ridiculous concept that everyone prefers 4 vaguely defined symbols that are never supposed to be used to type people according to one of 16 fixed "orders" is ridiculous. No, I think that even if functions weren't total pseudoscience (which they totally are) and even if they were intended to be used as typing tools according to the original theory (which they totally weren't), Gandalf the Grey still fits "Ne" better - that is to say, he extroverts his intuition and perceiving. I agree with you there. Also, when tempted by the Ring, Gandalf doesn't show external signs of temptation but merely shouts "Don't tempt me, Frodo. You're a close friend of mine and I cannot afford to lose you. Noticeably stronger presence of Fe over Fi because of his acceptance of a variety of cultures; also, he is a likable individual, naturally able to get along with others. Grey, however, seems more INFJ/INTP tbh. But he's also tenacious, strong-willed, and very comfortable in a leading role. True but I could invert that argument to make the exact same case for a more adaptable INTJ. The second letter in the personality type acronym corresponds to the preference within the sensing-intuition dimension: “S” stands for sensing and “N” stands for intuition.. Gandalf is more balanced and is on the side of good but they're both logical, sincere, and self-centered, and neither modify what they say for the sake of outer ethics and group harmony. Intuitives focus on a more abstract level of thinking; they are more interested in theories, patterns, and explanations. They are often more concerned with the future than the present and are often described as creative. Gandalf is not warm, fuzzy, or overly emotional. Welcome to MBTIBase - PersonalityBase, here you can learn about Gandalf MBTI type.. Some INTJs may have stronger judging preferences than others. This is the problem with functions. And yes, INTJs are 100% J as much as any other J types, and INTPs are as P as any other P type. Remember, Saruman is biased against Radagast and refuses to accept his testimony that the sword is a Morgul blade, while Gandalf trusts Radagast's judgment and can see for himself that the blade is indeed a Morgul blade. But in The Hobbit and Fellowship, he is definitely an INTP. I would think his drive and vision and then his attempt to fulfill the vision. Internal judgers temper their theories in personalized judgment, while extroverted judgers temper them in a more collective judgment. He's hard to type considering him being a Maiar and have lived for like 1000+ years. That way, I can defend my typings whether I'm talking to a "Keirseyan" or a "functions-user. The difference between Gandalf and Saruman is not F vs. I see him as very unstructured and rather relaxed. Therefore not an INFJ. Everything about Gandalf the Grey points to INTP in my book. " and then explains to Frodo calmly why he cannot take it. As for your comment about keeping a stronger watch over them, in Bilbo's journey he had to leave in order to investigate the Dol Guldur fortress. Definitely more Ti/Fe than Te/Fi in this form. Ne is constantly being mistaken as Ni just because guess what, Ne can manifest itself as one big idea. Keep reading to learn more about what goes into your Myers-Briggs personality type—and maybe discover what yours is.. I was certain when I made this comment but now I can’t remember why. " And "All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us. It's like saying that everything that seems Si is Se. It's about how it is done, not what is done. Gandalf is simply not one. They just prefer less rigid plans that allow for spontaneous adjustment. However when we have to vote we should look for best fit. "lol @Debaser. i don't know if it's cute or just pathetic He seems INTP for more of the storyline than INTJ, but he is never INFJ. If we just keep saying "INTPs can make grand plans too" and "INTJs can adapt plans too" then we won't get anywhere. Gandalf is an ESFP. And Gandalf the White's lower Fi naturally implies higher Te, and vice versa for Grey, which is why White appears more "J" and less warm than Grey despite them both being INTJ. "Natural" maybe is better. Compare to Galadriel (INFJ). I will just laugh. There's no evidence of actual spontaneity or indecision. When he is with the group, he's actually pretty focused and structured and leads them assertively. Too many Te-Fi types (Sauron and Saruman) on the side of the bad guys. For all his bluster and occasional rage, Gandalf isn’t very controlling and likes to keep his options open perhaps a little too much. It's hilarious that some philosophers come up with singular concepts and somehow that becomes proof of "Ni" to the community here. Te is as logical as Ti. Though his plan evolves as the journey continues, it's still always in place and every big decision he makes furthers that plan. If they hold any use at all, it is only as a tool for breakdown and further reflection AFTER one has already determined their type through proper means. Same goes for ISTPs and IxFPs. INTJ not INFJ. Thinking – Feeling, represents how a person processes information. Thinking means that a person makes a decision mainly through logic.. Te relies on data/empirical induction while Ti on principles/deductions. I can understand the INTP argument from a by-the-letters perspective but I can't see INFJ at all. It's always made more sense to me to type Grey and White separately. " before refusing it. If you don't then I can see how you'd get more INTJ. Pretty much, yeah, Khel. He lets things happen, then reacts to them via intuition. This bites him HARD when he realizes that the ring Bilbo has is The One Ring, and effectively has to scramble for a last minute solution. But the point still stands: Gandalf, grey or white, always does have a plan and is prepared to do nearly anything to execute it. I actually sort of think Gandalf’s biggest character flaw comes from his strongly perceiving nature. Its part of why the character is sort of a fun take on the Merlin archetype, but It’s also part of the reason why the fate of Middle Earth becomes the responsibility of a couple of Hobbits in the first place. Just contrast him with Dumbledore. Gandalf is an Ni dominant, no hint of Ne. His frustration kind of reminds me of Locke (Lost). Do not be a fool, Bilbo, if you can help it. If they are on the good side like Elrond they tend to have Si instead of Ni. Not much of a planner at all. He's not a total dick, but he's still an INTJ. This is indicative of Si. He’s largely reactive, not proactive. Seriously what. He's not unstructured or particularly relaxed; he's structured and tenacious. INTJ 1w9 so/sx. I'd also argue that Gandalf exhibits a different type of "strong will" than the one you just described for INTPs. I actually think that Ni vs Ne is extremely misunderstood. Thus he is an INTP, not INTJ. And some that die deserve life. " Not concretely saying Gandalf is an INFJ, but I see a lot of Ni, and I would say the argument for INFJ is more plausible and compelling than the credit given to it. They do seem quite a like. As a Guardian Angel, Gandalf sorta plays it fast and loose. IxxP types in general are fiercely independent and very strong willed. I mean yeah he's completely reborn. His entire demeanor, how he interacts, particularly with the hobbits, and every action he takes and everything he says. So everything that seems Ni is actually Ne. It just doesn't get more P than Gandalf the Grey. He somehow lacks the warmth and humanity of the Grey. He got captured and imprisoned in the process. It's not like INTP's are incapable of planning. That sort of mystical intuitiveness, and his interaction methods - can't be anything but INFJ. While he can use Ne to foresee a variety of possibilities of a situation, he lets others make decisions. Whereas Gandalf wasn't as convinced and instead chose to assist whatever Middle Earth forces wanted to stop the forces of evil as a wise but seemingly lowly Wizard. They can be twisted to mean anything you want them to and argue anything and write off opposing evidence by pointing to some ridiculous function loophole that does not exist and was not ever intended as part of the theory. Many of the things you explain away with Fe are not at all beyond Fi. If you enjoyed this entry, find out about the personality types of Lord of The Rings characters list.. When he's forced to go through the mines of Moria, he shows very weak Se/Te, not being able to adapt his plans to reality. To give an example, when Bilbo told Gandalf that Bilbo lost the ring, Gandalf knew he was lying, but let him keep it because he could tel that Bilbo badly desired to keep it. The way he just changes plans on the fly and wanders off. INTPs can be quite stubborn and refuse to allow themselves to be pushed into anything by anyone and stand firm on their (logical) principles no matter what. What is the best option for the MBTI type of Gandalf? What about enneagram and other personality types?. I think he's an INTP. I'd say he's a Ti user considering he's taken so long in diving deep into some knowledge, probably Ne got him distracted by the archives of Gondor, lol. The Grey seams INTPish to me (indecisive, not a very good planner, not always straightforward in his communication style etc), while The White is one of the best INTJ example that comes to mind.
. I believe Gandalf is a Je type and a sure introvert. It might be hard but one can somewhat make out the Fe based motivations of Gandalf seeing his choice to protect the welfare of Middle Earth over succumbing to his fear of weakness. Representative Exemples are based on the number of vote , not on ratioWhy the hell does the home page list Gandalf as an INTP example when the votes weigh in favor of INTJ. This personality type is highly individualistic and Champions strive toward creating their own methods, looks, actions, habits, and ideas!. Are you going to tell me that the greatest leader in US history, INTP Abraham Lincoln, was also an INTJ for this reason. I don't see him as particularly goal-focused, certainly not beyond the capability of an old, wise INTP. The following quote is literally the most INTP thing ever said: "What do you mean. A healthy INTJ. I wonder, though: if you exclude every time Gandalf changes the plan due to something out of his control, how many times does he adapt the plan at all. ") It all screams INTP. From his beard to his clothes to his laid back demeanor to his fireworks. Hence, his occasional outbursts at Bilbo. There's only 16 different types and a ton of different personalities, so comparing him to Galadriel isn't exactly fair. Though he may change the tactics as complications arise, the overall plan remains exactly the same: get to Erebor. This is true of INFJs who may appear tactless; the Ni is so strong that Fe can be overshadowed by the pressure of an "inner vision. Seems like a fully matured INFJ that can actually use their Ti and Se. Lincoln's leadership style was different from Gandalf's, at least from what I know of Lincoln and what I've said about Gandalf. That being said I've had him as INTP for a while now.
. Isabel Briggs Myers, a researcher and practitioner of Jung’s theory, proposed to see the judging-perceiving relationship as a fourth dichotomy influencing personality type.. For Gandalf, he's strong-willed in that the plan and goal comes first above all else, while INTPs are strong-willed in that they won't budge unless they deem it necessary to. And he just seems to use Ti and not Te, understanding the world through logic primarily, except for maybe in his reborn form he could be an INTJ. Because he's a villain lmao. " Bilbo firmly replied with "I can do it. Well I'm including The Hobbit as part of the storyline. Well, for starters, in The Desolation of Smaug it is revealed that Gandalf, not Thorin, was the person who started the quest for Erebor. You're always hilarious when you type character you like as INFJ because you think being one. The answer is none. He's not 100% J but leans that way, even if only slightly. I think it's true for any type: the stronger the dominant, the weaker the auxiliary. INTJs won't necessarily be domineering in a leadership position, they'll just be focused on the goal/vision above all else and will strive for it in a logical, objective, impersonal manner. I'd say that most famous philosophers of the last few centuries are actually INxP despite getting typed as INxJ because of supposed "Ni". The P/J dichotomy is most erroneously used again and again. You are in the best place to test MBTI and learn what type Gandalf likely is!. we can see the 1 integrate to 7"No, no no no. He is about as INTP as it gets. I think that while he certainly gives off that vibe and thus probably is INTx letter-by-letter he actually does try to shape the world in grand ways. " Seriously, how do so many people think Gandalf is a J. Yes I see more INTJ in him than anything else as well. Stripped down of all things else Gandalf's preference is for Ni-Te. He prefers to influence others in their decision-making by providing information. See this is what I mean by people arbitrarily shapi g what each type can be and the definitions of functions, etc. They were never ever ever intended to be (ab)used this way. If that's not strong willed, absolutely nothing is. In this site you can find out which of the 16 types this character 'Gandalf' belongs to!. Finally someone who sees Grey as INTP and White as INTJ. Where are you even seeing Fe in him. Not the way it's supposed to work. Gandalf told him, "You won't make it. They do have a lot of the same sarcastic mannerisms. Even if not directly tested, public voting can provide good accuracy regarding Gandalf Myers-Briggs and personality type!. Why Te-Fi over Fe-Ti. Ah, so not only did it enhance his wardrobe and magical ability but also his personality. @Wh1skey: What's your definition of Fe. I used my Ni-Te to project into the future and imagine a scenario with good chances of you making it and surviving, and failed to see it. Gandalf stops paying attention to Saruman because he knows that the dwarves are leaving while the White Council deliberates and knows that the blade is a Morgul blade, thus having no need to listen to Saruman's droning. " How much more INTP can it get.
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Category: Movie Characters
Series/Domain: Lord of The Rings