George Orwell Myers-Brigs type - MBTI, enneagram and personality type info
INTPs are well known for their brilliant theories and unrelenting logic, which makes sense since they are arguably the most logical minded of all the personality types.. Everything is completely arbitrary; there is no emotional sequence. In this site you can find out which of the 16 types this character 'George Orwell' belongs to!. He's not particurarly good at pushing forward a vision, he's not anything like Karl Marx or Lenin. At Eton he played tricks on John Crace, his Master in College, among which was to enter a spoof advertisement in a College magazine implying pederasty. maybe most of people think that he is 6w5 because his major book is mainly about a dangerous authority, and an hidden danger than nobody seen. Can someone share a source corroborating either IN_P type. Plus he doesn't even seem to be talking about the logic of the world itself but of the authenticity of the character motivations and the emotional arc of the story. It's the INFP grim reaper. I get the impression he was like the Christopher Hitchens (INTJ) of his time, but with a fiction talent. One would never undertake such a thing if one were not driven on by some demon whom one can neither resist nor understand. But overall to me it seems like he was driven by reform (he was a socialist after all) and didn't just imagine what would go wrong but intensified that vision to make room for a different sort of one he preferred. In one of his As I Please essays he refers to a protracted joke when he answered an advertisement for a woman who claimed a cure for obesity. But I agree with you he has no particular Ni even if he's quite a visionarist. ^Yeah I think it's a knee-jerk reaction from reading those books, but again why type someone just based on their work. While I an see Ti in him I can't see inferior Fe. The characters are more like tools to engage you while he explains to you his world. But it appears that to write successfully about such a world you have got to believe in it. Proceed to think hacks like Refn or Stirner are INFPs, and everyone who he isn't a shallow solipsist must be Ni-dom, but from now on I don't think I'm able to take you as seriously as I did. It's pretty obvious that a leftist INTJ fiction writer is going to be pretty Fi-heavy and nothing like people like Marx and Lenin. I just can't see Orwell as abstract, vision driven and assertive like Karl Marx for example. " Roger Mynors concurs: "Endless arguments about all sorts of things, in which he was one of the great leaders. Isabel Briggs Myers, a researcher and practitioner of Jung’s theory, proposed to see the judging-perceiving relationship as a fourth dichotomy influencing personality type.. He's not humble or ever in doubt, everything just comes fully formed and powerful out of him. Instead he simply very simple and honest, he just knows what his values are. I still think your personal view of what an INFP represent, is very confined. Keep reading to learn more about what goes into your Myers-Briggs personality type—and maybe discover what yours is.. Sure he is disgusted by injustice, but he is never emotionaly bashed out by it. Gow, his tutor, said he "made himself as big a nuisance as he could" and "was a very unattractive boy". That's not Orwell, lol. 6w5 typing from those works doesn't even take into perspective his whole vision/the context in which he wrote them. Actually, even the fact you thought I was INFJ just shows how ridiculous are your criterias for what a Ni-dom is, that when someone breaks your mold of what you think an INFP is, you just think they are Ni-doms. I was looking for writers I actually think are INFP, and I've arrived at the surprising conclusion that George Orwell must have been an INTJ. Definitely has that in his tritype at least. INTJ seems to be pushing it; he doesn't seem much like a J at all to me. If not, why is it currently winning. 1984 and Animal Farm, at least, were about how ideologies like socialism (which he supported) could be distorted and turned into totalitarianism. Orwell: "There exist 'good' writers whose world-view would in any age be recognized false and silly. He was one of those boys who thought for himself. One sees the difference immediately if one compares Poe's Tales with what is, in my opinion, an insincere attempt to work up a similar atmosphere, Julian Green's Minuit. What he was good at was pointing out the hypocrisy found both in right-wing and left-wing movements. As for 1984, I think it comes out of his deep understanding of society rather than being very creative. he was extremely argumentative—about anything—and criticising the masters and criticising the other boys. I think you yourself know that I don't quite type as simply as you put it. But this is exactly what one does not feel with Poe's stories. The same thing when he gives Poe as an example of a good writer because he honestly seems to believe in the world he creates, even if the world might not make logical sense. We enjoyed arguing with him. Lol, that's not George Orwell. When, for instance, the drunkard seizes the black cat and cuts its eye out with his penknife, one knows exactly why he did it, even to the point of feeling that one would have done the same oneself. Anyway, there's an essay about Gulliver's Travelers, and he basically it's about how strongly he disagrees with the implied beliefs of the author, only to end up saying that it's one of his favorites books ever.
. That is another thing that supports INTJ: His characters are not really that great and I was never very emotionally engaged in any of his books. ''(Why I Write)/--Not a detached, analytical writer, but one who 'suffers' for his work, thus unlikely INTP. An INFP/INTP wouldn't be that particular and romantic about tobacco and furniture imo. He even says he has an upper ability to face bad news or events which is far from Fi-types. Their maniacal logic, in its own setting, is quite convincing. *a judger (not a budget lol) Why 6w5. My complain for you remains the same, it seems that for an INFJ or ISFP there's a large sets of possibilities of what kind of writer they can be, but for an INFP they have to fit in your mold, or there aren't INFP. IN_Js is obviously out of question but I'm very open to both INP types, strange enough. [why, despite this, do his stories] not convey a feeling of falsity. "but again why type someone just based on their work. don't know read enough of him to type him now. As for the INTP arguments, INFPs also can be argumentative and are almost always free thinkers, but for Fi reasons rather than Ti reasons. And with this there goes another consideration which is perhaps less obvious: that there are occasions when an 'untrue' belief is more likely to be sincerely held than a 'true' one. The problem is you don't seem to understand how subjective you are. Edgar Allan Poe is an example. It seems therefore that for a creative writer possession of the 'truth' is less important than emotional sincerity. INFPs tend to have weird, subjective fascinations and explore them deeply in imaginative, unusual ways. We also suck at actually getting things done. It's also similar in structure to a lot of fantasy/sci-fi I've read by INTJs: He has planned out this system/world, and piece-by-piece reveals his vision to you. "I could also see him as 1w9. But talent, apparently, is a matter of being able to care, of really believing in your beliefs, whether they are true or false. They seem to be opposed to 6 values like unconditional loyalty and need of belonging. :P And yes, I honestly think INFPs are "underrated" in history, like they are most other places. The Orwell from the essays is a much more personable and genuine fellow, that 'documentary' seems more like a propaganda peace, using Orwell for their own personal agenda. From the essays I read, he tends to stay clear from the kind of abstractions and high speeches that characterizes INTJs. He's not particurarly forceful either, I never got that impression from his essays. I think he was ultimately borderline T/F, though his criticism and argumentativeness makes me think he had a T preference overall, and as he developed more of his feeling side became more polite as he got older. His work doesn’t really have the unbridled, unstructured imagination commonly seen in INxPs. It's actually a pretty straightforward allegory (Ni) for the world at the time. He's just an INFP who felt he had to champion his value in the face of the injustice and hypocrisy he found around him. ) Why not INFJ. I think it's because people would say he's very paranoid about the way society was moving/developing and even though he was a socialist and didn't support the 'status quo' he seemed to make arguments to move back towards it from where society was headed. At Eton, John Vaughan Wilkes, his former headmaster's son recalled, ". It's an actor, and to be honest the Orwell I know from his essays doesn't resemble the Orwell portrayed there. The difference between, for instance, Céline and Evelyn Waugh is a difference of emotional intensity. Reading some political texts of him between 1928 and 1949 make me see some mistakes (for example he couldn't picture a revival of the capitalism and said Hayek was sort of a has-been because the common people didn't want to go back to this inequal system) and their origins are some Ni-confidence paired with an idealist will. So I don't know. I think the Refns and Emily Brontës of this world are far more interesting and valuable than its kings, humanitarians and idealists. Seriously, I find it absurd that you thought I was INFJ just because we disagreed on people you think are INFPs. Which also makes it clear that he’s a budget more than a perceiver. INTJs seek to contribute to society practically (Te), INFJs are very communitarian, etc. ''(Politics and Literature)So, he equates talent with sincere conviction. Because they are true within a certain framework, they keep the rules of their own peculiar world, like a Japanese picture. He just wants to get across his ideas and sees little point in other things, just like INTJ writers like Asimov. Well, in any case, the next time I look at Orwell I think the INTJ line of thinking is worth pursuing. And then I tried out some types and I thought the arguments really came easily with INTJ so I went for that. He's immovable and confident like a rock (Te). So it seems that he judges art through pure Fi criterias. Again, I'm not sure about 6 descriptions, but I've read 6s are the type who stand unhealthy relationships the longest, for example, and that they stop questioning and become loyal when they feel safe. He's almost like Tenma, he fought in the Spanish Civil War and saw how the Soviet propaganda was changing the truth upside down for their purpose, and at the time England was allied and uncritical towards the Soviet Union, so he felt he had to speak about it. " While his comments about keeping the rules of the world constant seem superficially INTP, when he elaborates on exactly what maintains the rules of the world (sincere belief in them) it's completely Fi-based. I type him INTP too. :P But yes, you seem to currently know him a lot better, so there is a very good chance he might be an INFP. The issue is you seem to champion as INFPs people who are of a mediocre talent in the large scheme of things, while arguing against INFP for most of those writers who actually contributed with something to the world of culture and ideas. I also agree with impeccable that inferior Fe doesn't seem right for him. INTJs are interested in ideas and theories when observing the world.. Why is he is definitely P and not J (also keeping in mind he was indecisive and changed his opinions several times over the course of his life): "Blair (Orwelll's birth name) liked to carry out practical jokes. There's always tons of variables for me, I'm just super-biased towards contrarianism. This is how you get noticed by history. To me, anyway. Too bad he died at 46, he would have been upperly interesting to read in the 60's. Even Mr Upward would not claim that a writer needs nothing beyond a Marxist training. Finally, he is famous for his very straightforward, transparent prose. His sense of having to fight for a cause is more of a 6w5 thing, so you can't compare him with the enneagram 4 INFPs. Jung also proposed that in a person one of the four functions above is dominant – either a function of perception or a function of judging.. You obviously created a very subjective mold for what each type represents in your mind, and reject the obvious just to self confirm your initial premises. because i type with function and function is mainly about our process of analysis and our process of action. Discover Array, and more, famous people, fictional characters and celebrities here!. I still think he probably is one because none of your arguments don't fit with INTJ. Also, when you really think about it, Orwell's books are political and try to achieve things (Te). For example, I really actually wanted George Orwell to be INFP, but I was sincerely caught off guard by how he didn't seem INFP at all in the interview. What is the best option for the MBTI type of George Orwell? What about enneagram and other personality types?. The thing that immediately strikes one about Minuit is that there is no reason why any of the events in it should happen. You are in the best place to test MBTI and learn what type George Orwell likely is!. No wonder he was so confident about what to say at every single point. "INFP I understand.
. And really all of that just seems very INxJ to me Idk where people get INFP from it's probably like "ooh look he has Si-Te-Fi-Ne" but it can't be in that order bc he's too creative so he's an Fi-Si loop INFP. I'm not sure because I'm confused by 6 descriptions, but I doubt he was a 6. Anyway, I still think you're overestimating my bias. His work criticized those kinds of behavior, and encouraged to never stop questioning. He says that the reason is because the sincerity of the convictions, no matter how wrong they are, and even equates talent with conviction. There's also the fact that I can't see an INTJ writing about such a multitude of topics like in his essays without getting heavily abstract at some point, since they're Ni-dominant. v=V4s9pdL7tpA Also he starts the interview with a long list of Se things he enjoys. My understanding on the functions now goes further than when I typed Orwell INFJ. Jung theorized that the dominant function acts alone in its preferred world: exterior for extraverts and interior for introverts.. " i meant intellectual work. He also needs a talent. INFJ I just don't see, and I certainly don't see how it is winning. I'm probably helplessly influenced by that, yes, but I think there is more than that. If you enjoyed this entry, find out about the personality types of Writers characters list.. WTH, this is the first comment of mine that dissapeared by now. A lot of the concept were directly based on things he had read about totalitarian regimes. In his lifetime he also comfortably and happily argued with politicians, philosophers, etc. It is the difference between genuine despair and a despair that is at least partly a pretence. He's also not the kind of guy who over-complicates things like INTPs tend to do, at least not in essays. That sounds very Fi-dom tough. Here you can explore of famous people and fictional characters.. ''The views that a writer holds must be compatible with sanity, in the medical sense, and with the power of continuous thought: beyond that what we ask of him is talent, which is probably another name for conviction. I don't see any Ni in there. Lol, in my excuse I've been multitasking and typing like tons of people at the same time. I agree with INTP. I come back to my latest post. Instead it’s very directive and focused on transmitting an ideal, sometime so structural as to be in allegorical form (Animal Farm. I'm following the INTP line way more than the othersOh and I add : INFP is really improbable. Buddicom recalls him swinging from the luggage rack in a railway carriage like an orangutan to frighten a woman passenger out of the compartment. Later Blair was expelled from the crammer at Southwold for sending a dead rat as a birthday present to the town surveyor. He's more of a concentious objector, with his views shaped by personal experiences and a good eye for hypocrisy. The man had a script. He makes it clear in Why I write that he didn't want to write for political reasons, but he founds himself he had to. He also mentions in another essay on literature that the main thing for literature to be good, is that it should reflect the writers actual convictions, actual likes and dislikes, thus way in a totalitarian state literature would die. He would generally win the arguments—or think he had anyhow. Inability to write complex characters has nothing to do with type. Does anyone have an argument for INFP. In the essay Why I Write he also said if what's not for the political changes at the time, he would have liked to write books for a more aesthetical purpose: ornate and descriptive rather than political ones. Just watch him here: https://www. But tbh if u consider Ni as having some plan for the future and Fe as working with cultural norms to articulate that I don't see why INFJ isn't just as good of a function based argument and 1w9 makes more sense than 6w5 bc he wasn't scared of losing what was so much as he thought stalinist communism was a slight veer to the left of the desired path. "The remarkable thing about Orwell was that alone among the boys he was an intellectual and not a parrot for he thought for himself". By reading him I saw he was not Fi/Te as he is commonly typed so I pictured he was INFJ instead of INFP. Welcome to MBTIBase - PersonalityBase, here you can learn about George Orwell MBTI type.. :P With that said, I disagree that I'm picking out mediocre people for INFPs. ''Writing a book is a horrible, exhausting struggle, like a long bout of some painful illness. Animal Farm isn't really that Ne either. Even if not directly tested, public voting can provide good accuracy regarding George Orwell Myers-Briggs and personality type!. Sure, for an INTJ the convictions are very important, but I assume they would still have some 'objective' criteria regarding structure, development of classic motives or something like that, which would take priority over the author's sincerity of beliefs, since Te is over Fi. Seriously, someday someone will have to start a new MBTI databank, but we risk everything going to chaos this way. I get the impression that you look at the kinds of stuff you write or like to write, and then accept people as INFP or not based on how much they resemble your interests.
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