Guts Myers-Brigs type - MBTI, enneagram and personality type info
All ISTPs have to love and exalt wealth. You are in the best place to test MBTI and learn what type Guts likely is!. Yet Guts doesn't do this. However, I think in that case, a Ti dom ISTP would've found ways of working around their trauma and wouldn't have as easily overlooked the usefulness of a life as noble and a captain for the Hawks. Look below and actually try to analyze Gut's motives (which have ALWAYS been Fe driven). A boy needs his beats, Mike. The only things Gut's could've understood is that Griffith sees him as a brother-in-arms and that Casca is jealous that Griffith is showing affection to some nobody when she has worked her ass since young age to get to the top of the Hawks (below Griffith of course). Even if Griffith didn't get caught after screwing Charlotte. Think about it. Guts is not attuned to his own individual subjective values but to that of others. //"Now if you're going to use idiot arguments of repressed Fe, Ti loop, Se grip, try to fuck yourself. It would be illogical to the Ti dom ISTP. She doesn't say much more than that. Even before that, in his eariler mercenary career, Guts seemed to have been driven by a strong need of Gambino's approval. Lowkey I'm starting to agree with him being INFJ God, what an extremely retarded text. It makes even more sense how Guts could've lasted as long as he did as a lone mercenary. If you want to talk about efficiency you could look to his first match with Griffith who is usually regarded an ENTJ with a more developed tertiary Se. This opposes the objective knowledge of Fe and Se in NFJs that more grounded in reality. However, Guts still has a sense of depth characteristic of Ni despite not having developed a concrete system of philosophy. He's not an SP. I'm not too sure. this does not please me, guts is ESFJ Your existence does not please me. I would say that despite his otherwise battle-hardened SP traits this character trait alone should give some clue that he is probably not an SP. The Hawks were going to become nobles. He did it because as far as he was concerned there wasn't anything else he could do. I can give you can example from Star Wars on why an inferior Se type could last in a desolate world like that of Berserk's. Gut's strategy is just not particularly emphasized in Berserk because Miura focus on the exploration of characters and themes rather than battle tactics and strategy (he never really showed precisely how Griffith conquered Doldrey, simply what he did). It would be more appropriate to say he's an ISTP than an ESTP. They would've been more outwardly dickish towards others. Fighting "exaggeratedly" is too reductionistic when analyzing his fighting technique. He's always trying to get close to his enemies open flank and go for a killing blow. If I was I'd think he'd as ISTP as well, but I'd never come to understand the more subtle things about the character or Guts or the way Miura wrote Berserk. Guts admits many times that his battles and Se intense life is essentially meaningless to him which is why he was so quick to abandon for a dream of his own (Ni dom, and Se inferior). When has Guts shown difficulty with empathy. I think Guts getting labelled as an SP character might have to do with people not being able see to past his SP traits - similarly Aragorn from LOTR is often mistyped as an ISTP but then is corrected to be an INFJ. I don't even know if Griffith himself properly understood why he wants Guts around given how much he had to repress his morality and ethics (inferior Fi) in his path to having his kingdom. Even if not directly tested, public voting can provide good accuracy regarding Guts Myers-Briggs and personality type!. Guts is therefore not an SP. I'm not far into Berserk at all but everything about him just screams Enneagram 6, including his childhood backstory at the camp. A supposed "sensor" who does not find meaning in a sensory lifestyle is not a sensor. Guts is an INFJ that has a tendency to go into Ni-Ti loops and ends up coming off as an ISTP. In fact I believe analyzing Guts and similar characters might provide information on how 6s and 8s are often mistaken due to behavioral traits. Guts are not vision expansive or insight of feelings, the empaty come with experience, and are destructive for him in many cases, becaue he don't know to deal. //"And you're demented if you think enneagram is vague. So that whole situation doesn't count. They were the only surviving Jedis and were fantastic light saber duelists in their prime (Yoda was even a grand master). NFPs are more likely to have unrealistic expectations whereras NFJs are not as much. Dat boi guts infj come at meguts is not infj What shitty arguments, he's no xxFJ at all, ISFP would be a good vote, he's ISTP tho Formerly Brainer, I think I've explained why Gut's not an Fi leading ISFP and why he's not a Ti-leading ISTP either. This is also why Guts is reluctant about letting others in and was hesitant about letting Isidro, Serpico, and Farnese join him (granted, it's a lot more complicated and has to do with him not wanting to let others get possessed by demons and having die by his blade). By the way, he likes more being a lone wolf rather than a "mercenary". He's the most interesting case of an INFJ being forced to grow up in an STP world. The movies on the other hand make him seem like an xSTP and as does the 2016/2017 anime. Doesn't make less him an ISTP, tbhFormerly, an ISTP is more likely to be content with their mercenary life even if they had the choice to abandon it for something more. I'm not going to address that again. There is pretty much no one that could've predicted that. The two get confused a lot. Guts admits many times that his battles and Se intense life is essentially meaningless to him which is why he was so quick to abandon for a dream of his own (Ni dom, and Se inferior). Guts does not deny it and tries to find it in any away that doesn't evoke memories of his past trauma. Look at Obi Wan Kenobi and Yoda from Star Wars, both whom are INFJs with inferior Se. " He is always looking for the approval from others. I think it makes more sense for Guts' trauma to play a relatively lesser significance in his choice. //"He loved Gambino because he was edcated in a that encouraged him, as a warrior, only then realized how much they were"//. You can blame Fe's need for external communication for Guts not being able to sense Griffith's need for him and that's also something Griffith probably would not be able to do because of his inferior Fi. Let's not confuse that kind of trauma for inferior Fe. a man who lives without thinking about tomorrow and only decided to care when he had teammates, but he still acted impulsively on the front lines, so much so that Griffith said that Guts's impulsiveness was part of his strategy. It just doesn't make sense. He seems to want to please others in a way characteristic of higher Fe types albeit in a much more subtle manner. Pretty much same exact thing happend to me and i had the same reaction. //"Guts sought to understand the immediate meaning of things, and was only caring about the guture after he heard Griffith's statement to the princess. Griffith, with Charlotte, was just a few more steps closer to attaining his kingdom. Guts remembers Gambino for little moments of affection he gave to him (e. We know from the Boyhood arc Gambino taught Guts specific combat techniques when dealingwith heavily armored opponents and how to half-sword to work around it. This is isn't how men argue. That should say enough about Guts being an NJ over an SP ISTP or ESTP. It's meaningless for the most part. Chaotic, Gambino did nonetheless provide him training. What Guts demonstrates is Ti, not Te, or a lack of Ni dom. I think about his attachment to his father and wanting his recognition (until the Gambino incident), the reason he left the band. He did not see sense, because. He eventually masters it in the hopes it would win Gambino's approval. I think he's reserved attitude can be traced to his childhood traumatic experiences. Returning to the Guts, he is rather aerially about the feelings and signs of other feelings, so much that Caska warned him about the change of posture of Griffith; Judeau explained the reason for Caska's attitudes about how she acts with him. He adapted to the cold and uncaring life of mercenary to make himself less vulnerable - but, as I've said above, he always wanted "someone to look his way". Guts definetly believes he does, it's the very reason he went against Griffith's wishes and left because he knew he would win his approval when they meet again someday as a man with his own dream. Yeah I want to learn more about your made up bullshit statements for sure I'm seeing you getting upset that I'm not agreeing with you. It's more of a life "goal" or destiny or something. I would say this has some merit to it. I know Fi-dom who do not care about it, but I call and am one, and what motivates me is the 4W3, not 4w5 that makes me care about things farther and rebel in the face of reality. Because he has difficulty in empathy, he has no weak notion of collective vision. All that would be his Fi imo. The Sparks monologue. I think it's Griffith's down fall and Guts position as an brutal anti-hero demon hunter that makes people think he's an ISTP. //"How do you see more Ni than Se in Guts. That's also why what you're describing is preciselynotFi. I cannot fathom how an inferior Fe ISTP would be able to do this. We don't really know what Guts wanted for himself but the fact he was so driven by ideals of living his own life for himself (and being Griffith's equal) regardless of the lack of practicality doesn't seem quite ISTP like. Even that we're not too certain of. Except Guts didn't remain a mercenary after leaving the Hawks. Discover Array, and more, famous people, fictional characters and celebrities here!. Who shows even more apparent Ni-Fe traits (second to Skull Knight). Yoda could've said it their out right as it's the logical conclusion (Ti dom) but knew he could better train Luke in the ways of the Light side if he allowed him to ponder upon it's principles by only saying enough to create a sense of curiosity and then understanding (Ni-Fe manipulation). A relatively common and yet unheard of typing for Guts is INFJ. Obi Wan is an ISXJ try again. He is a man who sought his own vision but never knew much beyond becoming a more efficient killer as a pawn under someone early in his life as a pawn under someone. So there's that. Guts remembers Gambino for the all times he showed him signs of love even after Gambino mentally deteriorated after losing his leg and that's clearly because they had a father-son relationship (even if it's abusive) and not a master-student one. If an iSxP reflect about what he does for survive he is not SP. I am leaning towards ISFP. Not because it doesn't make any sense, no, but because it trips Chaotic's sense of self-righteousness and need to be right all the time. We don't really know what Guts does except for him going on a soul searching journey. As an example he tried to leave the band of the falcon to live a quiet life and only joined it back for a very short period of time because Griffith was being imprisoned and he felt like he could help him out. Let's focus on the function stacks of INFJs and how they could be expressed depending on the backgrounds they're brought up from. His Fe is shown on various occasions throughout the series. Granted, an INFJ is most likely not going to fit into the tradtional achetype of high minded philosopherl INFJ if they grew up in an SP/SJ mercenary life like Guts did. Judeau really just explains the whole back story with Casca. Does he behave in a way that is going to earn Gambino's approval. INFJs are more concerned about applying Ni to Fe situations you can see this with Guts trying to find his own dream (Ni) to earn Griffith's approval (Fe). It doesn't matter, he himself thinks swinging his sword for just his own survival is meaningless as he told Casca during the Bonfire of Dreams monologue. Guts has always demonstrated the latter even if he was distant. Guts loved Gambino because he is the only parent he had. Both believed in manipulating others (Luke in particular) for the greater good. His character foil - which in literature is a character with opposing traits - is Corkus, an ESTP. Guts seems quite inwardly driven don't you think. His sense of justice isn't based on inner sense of what is right but rather associated with the deeds done to others (Fe). That's seven our of nine types an Ni-Fe-Ti-Se INFJ can hold. Guts is whatever u believe he is Guts is an INFJ. Not even someone as perceptive as Judeau saw that coming. However, as personality tests try to rely on more defined paramaters of mental faculties to get more accurate reports of individuals, the more they have to have to be able to rely on holistic analyses of individuals - something Ennegram fails at miserably. That is Griffith's Fi in action. Guts knows he, in an act of irony, is responsible for making their lives more miserable but he has to accept that fact yet he doesn't treat it in a calm and logical manner and that's exemplifed by his expression of sorrow and tears - almost as if he doesn't want to. If you don't want to listen then that's your choice. Even after the Eclipse, Guts in the Black Swordsman and Lost Children arc appears very ISTPish (even ESTPish under extreme stress). not for or against Guts as an INFJ but I noticed that a lot of people type decent characters the same as their own type so whether you have personal bias or not, that’s a thing I understand that, Snowfrost98, I know I'm a Berserk fanboy but I cannot relate to Guts, not entirely. It ties more into the theme of fate than Guts supposed lack of perception. Pretty sure there's a many noticable differences between him and Silat or Pippin (both ISFP). Despite, the impression people get from a glance, Guts is not at all an impulsive fighter. and basicaly any guy can call that if they have the wing 3"//. His dickish moments usually come from not knowing how to deal with women (like Casca). With what Guts could have ended with a single strike as he does years later when he leaves the Band of the Hawk, Guts draws out his battle with Griffith recklessly swinging his sword away while Griffith parried and disengaged to his advantage. That's why so many Fi driven TJs that run this website use and abuse it so much. That's that for Guts Fe. He would probably reacted differently to Vargas as well instead of getting mad at him. He use more Fe-inf than Te-inf. You think you know more about ISTP than me. Guts shows more Fi than Fe. A foil is a literary device used to explore two characters by examining their contrasting traits. Guts learn to fight on the run and survived by risking and adaptating. Guts very well knew Griffith high favors him and would be upset at the act of him leaving but he believed Griffith would certainly "walk again" because his goal lies further than keeping Guts around. " - GutsAn INFJ even living in berserk world is still an inferior Se. On an alternate note, while inferior Se can be poorly controlled when expressed, it can also be expressed in a very raw way which might explain Gut's sheer physicality but also his earlier inefficiencies in combat (losing to Griffith and nearly losing his head to Basuzo). Probably had parents as well. Thinking – Feeling, represents how a person processes information. Thinking means that a person makes a decision mainly through logic.. Enneagram determines how much you adhere to one (or two or three) of the 9 archetypes (Investigator, Reformers, Peacemaker, etc), and depending how you view yourself and your status in life you can possibly end up with any of the Ennegram types. On the contary he seemed to hold a concious desire for it even if his trauma made him keep his distance. He is not motivated by an inner sense of justice but an inner vision (Ni) of what he wants to do to the ones (Griffith and the God hand) who took away his Casca and slaughtered the Band of the Hawk. Grow up you little edgelord. Gambino didn't leave Guts to figure everything out on his own and contrary to what you said about Guts, it did not come naturally to him in the beginning. Just because he had a less shallow base is he Ni-dom. wooooophhhh why are you on my son. He was convicted of grabbing the girl's ass or something, it was bullshit. He doesn't have to. Fe philosophy is more likely to lack the depth of Fi so let's not confuse Griffith's Fi with Ni. This is clearly not the case when he's fighting apostles. He's an NJ that became good at being an SP because his environment demanded it. I would say the same for Guts. What mattered more to Guts is that he would win his affection and gain that fraternal/paternal love that we has yearned for ever since he killed Gambino. Guts still wanting to be a mercenary except of pursuing the good life with Griffith makes sense considering his backstory, I don't think that have anything to do with his type. He can't be an SP. I'm not projecting my INFJ traits onto him, at least I don't think so. "an ISTP is more likely to be content with their mercenary life even if they had the choice to abandon it for something more.
. If you enjoyed this entry, find out about the personality types of Berserk characters list.. They're subtle but they exist. You're willing to take Zodd for INFJ but not Guts. We can go over it if you wish. That doesn't count, I've addressed this. If you want to talk about efficiency you could look to his first match with Griffith who is usually regarded an ENTJ with a more developed tertiary Se. It's almost as if Guts has always been in search of a loving family his tragic upbringing has deprived him of. I don't even want him to be ISFP. Se grip does not explain anything (even if the loop and grip theory was true) because in grip the function is not controlled and inefficient. It's like the people who think the opening credits to the 97' anime (which I think is perfect for the Golden Age arc) sucks because it's notmetal enough. Guts sought to understand the immediate meaning of things, and was only caring about the future after he heard Griffith's statement to the princess, and then decided to do his part and disappear to fight and to live for oneself, and thus to be able to develop and find some purpose (Ni-Ter). Strategy and planning are how Guts defeats his enemies (as did Obi Wan and Yoda) - granted, he has to go full inferior Se when he gets into an end game slugging match with an apostle. Casca never told Guts that if he leaves him, Griffith will do some stupid shit and screw up the Hawks premanently. ISFP too doesn't make much sense. (he is actually even worse than me at it) Plus, he is the most relatable character EVER for me, sometimes to the point of ridiculousness. I addressed this by showing examples of Guts' deep sense of empathy during the Black Swordsman arc. He finally overcomes his loop and integrates his aux Fe near the end of the Golden Age when he realizes his desire all along was to have a family. giving him the balm to heal his nose, little shows of approval), and later as a fatherly instrucutor in the more recent Boyhood arc. Even his choice to leave the Band of the Hawk in the first place was so that Griffith wouldn't look down on him - given his history with Gambino this would mean Guts in one way or another is also looking to earn Griffith's respect (who was to him in a way a father/older-brother figure) by finding his own purpose and filling his void of needing a proper father figure. It seems something Ni doms ought to do than Se doms. Fe philosophy would also be more concerned with the nature of social conduct and wisdom than Fi philosophy which is more likely to get to the core of humanity. Even out of the practical benefits and given his skillset Guts never liked being a mercenary. After witnessing the death of Vargas at the hands of the Count, who himself underwent very similar traumatizing losses, and killing the Count in front of his daughter who now would be filled with the very same sense of vengreance that he was towards Griffith, as Guts leaves, he breaks down into tears when no one's there to see him. " "Forgive me father. NFPs are idealists because their ideals of humanity is based upon their personal feelings (Fi) and subjective intimations about reality (Si). @Formerly Brainer If there is one thing that doesn't make sense it's you. At least letter MBTI can get I/E accurate (N/S, T/F, J/P not so much). I'm have 3 wing, I care of sucess, validation, status, and I Fi-dom, not Fe or Te-dom or aux. What do you mean Wing 3. Enneagram is an honest joke. It's different from what you'e describing. But they are more likely to deny it since Ti wants to wants to actively suppress Fe. A healthy Fi-Ne-Si-Te INFP can be mistyped as an Ni-Fe-Ti-Se INFJ if they score themselves as judgers due to being organized doers with energy due to Si and Te. He would not get the Fe love that Gambino never gave him. //'Guts only sees what is there and did not think about sentimental intentions"//. I stated examples of Guts' sense of depth. Yoda tried to appear to Luke as a hungry Dagoba creature when first meeting him to better surprise him when he turns out to be a Jedi - which was also part of an Ni plan. I think clear examples exist to suggest he did not have inferior Fe. He seems happiest when he's with the Hawks or acting as a leader to his pack of comrades (Schierke, Farnese, Serpico, etc) during the later arcs when he's out to get Casca to Elfheim, or even when he's acting as a surrogate father towards Schierke. They have the skills to do it and they need the money that these skills could give them. "Are you sure what you think is Fi isn't actually Ni. I see how he is doing bad thing and remember bad things that i did and how much fun i had and it disgust me. ISFP Why Formerly. INFJs could also be 8w9s as well. He always searches for the meaning of things, of his life, and that of others. An ISTP, realistically speaking, would be a mercenary for the practical side of it. Don't call my analysis bullshit when you haven't made a proper case. Gambino himself described Guts to be a lost puppy looking for love (paraphrasing). I don't think the same would apply to an inferior Fe ISTP. Ni-aux ENTJ Griffith did this, INFJ Skull Kight does this, and as does Guts. Guts seems to be the most emotionally stable when he's pursuing an Ni-Fe lifestyle as seen when he chose to "devote himself to the sword" after leaving the Hawks or choosing to be the leader and father figure for his new travelling party with Scheirke, Serpico, and the others. (and what Griffith said i heard from another ENTJ, so i am inclined to think that he is an ENTJ) Remember when he had sex with Casca. Please stop breathing and never breath again. Guts abilities is attributed to his early training where it took him a few years to master the sword which by then - after somewhat overcoming his need for parental affection from Gambino - allowed him to progress to becoming a lethal mercenary. Griffith even commented on how he nearly lost his head during his fight with Basuzo. //"He does not understand anything about feelings. An SP like wouldn't be as invested in their own Ni dreams like Guts is in his. Despite coming off distant and often harsh, I don't think Guts ever actively tried to repress Fe even from his trauma from rape and betrayal. that's newWhy haven't you all settled on the fact you don't agree, I see this page on the feed everyday -_- I haven't seen anyone comment for almost a month. Fi is expressive because it's attuned to it's own feelings than communicative like Fe as it's concerned with the feelings of others. Your comment about Ni is also a misconception about Ni doms. I don't know why you'e confusing what Guts said but he did not reflect about what he does for survival but the nature of it and what it means to him. This shows there is a very strong need for Fe approval in the character of Guts that indicates a higher than inferior Fe - as opposed to ISTPs who may not acknowledge they need external approval of Fe due to inferior-Fe. " Or is he a person who can earn Griffith's approval. Guts only sees what is there and did not think about sentimental intentions, because it was not natural, he did not even understand what he feels about people, He loved Gambino because he was educated in a way that encouraged him, as a warrior, only then realized how much they were Now if you're going to use idiot arguments of repressed Fe, Ti loop, Se grip, try to fuck yourself. Isn't that right, Chaotic. Griffith: ENtJ. I think Guts could be ISFP by letter (which is the better system anyway). Guts exalts his own sword and trusts her, not something more intuitive. Guts trauma and fear of letting others in left him purposeless and even nihilistic. Let's not think of how Guts fits the mold of specific type of INFJ. His character is driven by purpose and meaning and one can see this is his later choice of honing his sword skills (after leaving the Band of the Hawk) or to get revenge on Griffith. As a traumatized INFJ should be. The life is nonsense. It's just that he never counted on Griffith's getting caught given how he has always come off as a controlled and calucated man that never loses. But why ISFP in the sense he uses Fi-Se-Ni-Te in that order. This was Guts realizing that he should have a dream of his own otherwise Griffith will never approve of him. Guts does not enjoy his sensory life style but was born into a world where an SP lifestyle was the only way to survive and so Guts grew up believing there is no purpose to his life other than fighting day in and day out. ok Might want to re-think that. I would even go as far to argue Guts being unable to witness Griffith's downfall does not contradict him being an INFJ. Compared to Guts Griffithdidhave and actual childhood even if he came from a lower class family. That's a fair analysis of Guts' character. Guts clearly falls into the previous. He is characteristically loud and unapologetic just like an ESTP. For ISTP he doesn't care that much about statuses and he doesn't have any manners. Guts'Se is efficient. That's just how unreliable it is. Their lack of social understandings would most likely leave them confused at why Teresa wants to avenge her father despite being a monster and otherwise a terrible man. Seriously I can't believe it's 2016 and people still think he was a rapist. How he is slowly reaccepting people to follow him in his quest (New Party). @Khel If you don't believe me, it's your choice. Guts clearly tries to leave when he realizes he could chase something more meaningful than mindlessly killing people. Griffith even commented on how he nearly lost his head during his fight with Basuzo. I see people mistake Guts' Ni contemplation for Guts exploring how subjectively feels feels about something (Fi). If you don't agree with Chaotic, your a fucking retarded fanciful idiot and you should be discredited by being labelled a troll. Can't blame them for not having Fe can you. I'm going to assume you didn't read through properly. Fucking scum making fun of domestic abuse You should be ashamed, idiot. //"an INFJ would not be so exaggerated and impulsive in the combats"//. Gut's greatest character flaw in the Golden Age arcs was that he couldn't simply live moment to moment and desperately needed purpose in his life. I can give you can example from Star Wars on why an inferior Se type could last in a desolate world like that of Berserk's. That alone shows he cannot be inferior Fe. Casca told something changed in Griffith ever since Guts arrived and that he values him greatly and Guts' loss would be a detriment to his dream - and she can't bear that. Guts abilities is attributed to his early training where it took him a few years to master the sword which by then - after somewhat overcoming his need for parental affection from Gambino - allowed him to progress to becoming a lethal mercenary. Lack of mannerisms can simply be because of his mercenary lifestyle that never taught him anything about living a civil life. Welcome to MBTIBase - PersonalityBase, here you can learn about Guts MBTI type.. An INFJ can be 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 8, 9 and 4, 6 depending upon their occupation or beliefs they come to hold. The best, it seems to be, are certain versions of the Big 5 Personality test that examines even more specific traits (opennes, neuroticism, concientiousness, etc). The Berserker Armor makes gattsu estp 8w7 Mike, if the Berserker armor is supposed to bring out the inner shadow of a person and Guts' Beast of Darkness turns him into an ESTP wouldn't that be a good argument why Guts himself is an INFJ since his shadow is an ESTP. He almost always mention how he cannot stand to bear Griffith looking down on him everytime he talks about having his own dream. ESTPs, even with Guts' trauma would still be extraverted.
. He feels the pain and the need for vengeance Teresa and did as well with Vargas. He is not motivated by an inner sense of justice but an inner vision (Ni) of what he wants to do to the ones (Griffith and the God hand) who took away his Casca and slaughtered the Band of the Hawk. Here’s a more convincing argument than wtv kinda bad trip y’all on: https://imgur. //" Fe-inf can often go out as a way of wanting recognition"//. This is why the Bonfire monologue focuses so much the conduct on the members of the Hawks Raiders and the nature of what they're doing whereas Griffith's speech was about the nature of men and dreams. The rest of your arguments doesn't really offer much other than some shit about ISTPs that doesn't really make sense and your consistent refusal to differentiate Guts from the stereotypical silent wanderer with a grugde archetype and understand the nuances of his character. He "knew nothing but the sword" because that's the only thing he was taught. but i believe he is motivate by a inner sense of justice(Fi) more than personnal logic(Ti): so he is an ISFP. Guts knew that him departure wouldn't affect the Hawks or Griffith on their path to success. This is precisely the logic behind Griffith's idea of who can his friend works. He himself values holding ambitions and dreams and looks down upon people who don't. I acutally the think the opposite. I think Griffith would've been able to overcome his obsession with Guts. It makes even more sense how Guts could've lasted as long as he did as a lone mercenary. The fact that he's an 8w9 could give us a "T" impression but he's in indeed driven by Fi. Jungian functions, along with Socionics, can get you a better look at the charactersistics of an individuals because nuanced understandings of mental functions allow you to understand how they may manifest in the reality. Make your arguments against it boi. //"the signs that people show"//. Gambino taught grossly, and Guts was well suited to it. Because, as he admits to Casca, Guts did his mercenary jobs in hopes that "someone would look his way" (give him the parental affection that Gambino didn't). An ni-dom probably trying an cautious way like Kenshin"he himself thinks swinging his sword for just his own survival is meaningless". But realistically an ISTP would have stayed loyal to Griffith and not have left, if this ISTP didn't have Guts backstory, trauma and upbringing, that is. Take a look at Corkus, his character foil, who happens to be an ESTP. Silat is probably an ISFP and Guts clearly isn't like Silat. Defs 8w9 but it's hard to tell his variants. Think about the Bonfire of Dreams monologue that he gives to Casca and she reacts the same way Charlotte did to Griffith when she heard Griffith's philosophization ("you sound like some Princess" Guts tells her in the Dark Horse translation of the manga"). But your statement is mostly made up Idk where that comes from to be honest. The second letter in the personality type acronym corresponds to the preference within the sensing-intuition dimension: “S” stands for sensing and “N” stands for intuition.. //"he does not have a strong philosophical and deep base as an INFJ. Guts is clearly introverted and a Se user, he can appear ISFP but he's so rude exactly like a true ISTP. Why does Wing 3 - Achiever make Guts an ISTP. Let me guess, Kawaii, all angry action guys are ISTPs. ISFP too doesn't make much sense. But Guts is ISTP Are you sure what you think is Fi isn't actually Ni. I think a Ti dom ISTP, despite having a tertiary Ni (instead of inferior Ni of ESTPs), would've reached a similar conclusion to Corkus. It's still possible. NFPs are the idealists. On the contrary Ni doms would be among the best survivalists due to their strategic nature even with their Se. As for Guts' Fe. They are extroverted, idealistic, charismatic, outspoken, highly principled and ethical, and usually know how to connect!. With what Guts could have ended with a single strike as he does years later when he leaves the Band of the Hawk, Guts draws out his battle with Griffith recklessly swinging his sword away while Griffith parried and disengaged to his advantage. Griffith did not have terrible past. Clearly not the case three years later. 4, 7 depending on their occupation* Go fuckyourself, INFJ fanficul of shit. Neither have I seen him be particuarly expressive of his own values. He seems far for attuned to the values of others like an Fe user. Griffith had friends as a child and they had fun chasing eachother in streets. His sense of justice isn't based on inner sense of what is right but rather associated with the deeds done to others (Fe). Gambino likens him to a "lost puppy looking for love" (paraphrasing). That is clear. He himself always found his mercenary life meaningless. I'd say this hints to Ni (perhaps Ni dom because of his introverted nature) given his other trait being his determinism. Every person’s preference can be found on a spectrum, so just choose the letter you identify with most.. Just a very traumatized that comes off as ISTP (which would make sense - if you accept loop theory - as both ISTPs and INFJs have Ni and Ti in their loop functions giving them similar outward appearances). A foil is a literary device used to explore two characters by examining their contrasting traits. That's idiotic. He lives in a very violent world and reacted to it by being violent and angry but that doesnt make him a 8 ; he's trying to find peace yet he can't because all his life is filled with despair and war. We don't know precisely how Gambino taught him over the years but examples his lessons shows he taught in a fairly in-depth manner. Without adequate parenting Guts never manged to properly develop his Fe and would stay stuck in an Ni-Ti loop with frequent Se gripping - he was never happy in his early mercenary life. You learn something new everyday, Formerly. If you're talking about Guts during the Black Swordsman arc and anytime after the Eclipse, that's a persona Guts puts on to keep people away from being possessed by demons - hedoesn't want to form attachments at that pointbecause he of his trauma and fears the loss people who would get close to him(for obvious reasons). But he doesn't. //"Let's be obvious. It's that people automatically assume that woosh-woosh angry sword guy must mean they have to be an SP without really coming to understand the subtle nuances of their character. And let's be obvious, an INFJ would not be so exaggerated and impulsive in the combats. No Fi, Te, Ne or Si. He even gets shit for it by his character foil, Corkus, who, because he was an ESTP, thought his Ni vision seemed delusional and ridiculous and called him out for not seeing the practicality of living a life as a noble (even called him a woman). Guts is not INFJ and you either are a troll or an idiot. They were the only surviving Jedis and were fantastic light saber duelists in their prime (Yoda was even a grand master). He even laughed at a higher Se Silat (who is probably an ISFP) twice by exploiting his weaker Ni and using inherent weakness in his fighting style against him (too much of a show off, too physical and too little planning). Gut's strategy is just not particularly emphasized in Berserk because Miura focus on the exploration of characters and themes rather than battle tactics and strategy (he never really showed precisely how Griffith conquered Doldrey, simply what he did). I don't think Guts would've been wrong. I seen him typed ISFP but I don't really think he has any Fi - he would otherwise wouldn't have spent so much time wonderwhat he wants. Andyou're a demented if you think the enneagram is vague, because many people who study the MBTI still feel incomplete and use the enneagram to better understand their motivations in which functions do not fully explain. Or not knowing how to deal with a woman on her period. Letter MBTI doesn't mean anything outside of Introversion or Extraversion. He doesn't have to consider much about dueling tactics when fighting men because his sword can split armored men in half with ease so he doesn't have to consider fighting defensively like Kenshin who doesn't have this advantage. The 97' anime, out of all media (except the manga), does the best job at depicting Guts as an INFJ. I didn't go over examples of his Fe during the Black Swordsman arc because I didn't think we needed to go over it - even then there are some very striking examples of Fe showing especially at the end of the Count arc. If I do not Griffith will not approve of me. Guts joined Griffith because he wanted to fulfill the condition, had admiration for the soldiers and felt alive killing other soldiers to survive. Why are you here to tickle my balls again. Why do you think you can relate to him. SP rejection of fate to a desire to lessen responsibilities. Guts would show off his status as the hundred man slayer and the right hand of Griffith as something he wants others to know like how Silat wants everyone to know that he's a proud warrior of the Bakiraka. In a typical SP manner, he ridicules Guts for not settling within the present (Se) and being satisfied as a member of the Hawks under Griffith. He is also not Ni-dom because he fights impulsively and unpredictably, uses immediate tactics and does not attach to dogmas as fate and other bullshit. Nobody saw that coming. It's about gaining approval from others. I think you too would conclude he's an INFJ. Try not to get sucked up by Miura's Ni contempation and confuse it for Gut's having Fi or confuse Gut's action orientated aspects of Berserk for him ebing a higher Se user xSTP. I already addressed his many times over at this point. @doodlepoodle : You seriously need to stop jerking off to your own bullshit. Yoda's training methods as a whole were designed to teach Luke to draw his strength out like a light sider and not rely on sheer brawn, physical size and strength like a dark sider - he intentionally taught Luke to not underestimate his strength (and early behavior) despite his small physique as light side force users draw their strength from with their inner connection to the force. His need for Gambino's affection as a child, his choice to avenge the death of the Band of the Hawk who were the only family he ever managed to have, or his choice to get Casca better instead of chasing down Griffith into an SP lifestyle once again. "Am I someone who has a dream of my own. Reserved and cold. Even then, Guts still had his NJ visions, otherwise he wouldn't dedicate his early mercenary career to taking down stronger fighters like Basuzo. He's much more tactical and willing to use dirty tricks to get the upper hand. I'm not an idiot. He doesn't land on anything concrete like a kingdom or a business for himself (no concrete Te) however so he decides to become a competitive swordsman (not a killer) and find wisdom there (Ni-Fe-Ti). Rejection of fate is pretty much anything any NJ or SP can do if they choose to. Guts knew all that. Portuguese and French have various similarities which make it easy. I wasn't raped, but pretty much same thing happens to me regulary. This is Fe-inf ISTPs also have moral codes, but they are more faithful and realistic to the logic of the present. Guts is not Ni-dom, and you are an jork,Guts is very resilient, learned things just by fighting with instinct, not taught techniques or anything, he was improvising in the heat of battle. FUCK YOU, wth your magic arguments,Disillusioned autistic Yeah, I don't care. But he isn't reckless either mind you. but he use more Fe-inf than Fi and Te-inf. Guts has no idealist trait on society, he does not have a strong philosophical and deep base as an INFJ. Fe-inf can often go out as a way of wanting recognition, and basically any guy can call that if they have the wing 3. Enneagram is a crutch for people who do not know understand how to analyze people. It will not get a deep meaning only raising his sword //"God, what an extremely retarded text. Guts emotions or sense of ethics areexternally driven. @doodlepoodle Remember in Gold Age arc Guts heard what Griffith said to a princess. Griffith has a terrible past and demonstrated a high level of depth and charisma, and still demonstrate more Ni idealizations than the guts who only demonstrate living by being alive without any meaning. The only sensible explaination would is becausehe is able to empathize properly with others more so than an inferior-Fe ISTP. Then it depends of a lot of things. Even when he remembers him in the later parts of the Golden Age. I think if you go over the manga/anime more thoroughly and try to understand his reasons, convictions, and tendencies. If it's Zodds rejection of Se hedonism in apostles then it's Gut's outright statement to Casca about of the meaninglessness of his Se mercenary life that shows he too has inferior Se. He kept people at bay during pre-Band of the Hawk times due to his trauma and phobia of being touched (trauma from being raped by Donovan). Why Fe inferior. When he left the Hawks he knew Griffith would be upset and so would Casca but he knew at thought point he could never be with her. Guts seems more submissive, calmly apologzing to Casca for recklessly risking his men, until she decides to make it personal. An SE-INF would not get this done and would die if they did not teach intelligent techniques to him, which can use Kenshin as an example. All of which are reasonable arguments that seem to perfectly describe Guts' if you were to account for his trauma and changes to his character. com/a/jNwLN jiggly titty. Guts is Se-user and you're a INFJ who wants every character you like to be INFJ. Again, I addressed the impulsize and improvising nature of Ti fighters in my previous response. He left Griffith and a potetnial to live a rich and sucessful life as a noble and chose the financially lesser path of a competitive swordsman (I can't remember if this was shown explicitly in the anime but it certainly was in the manga). Because Griffith did not express any sentimental intentions nor did he ever give Guts any reason think he has any. If your standard of philosophy is an a orator like Griffith speaking poetically about his beliefs to an audience you're gonna look over how an NFJ is probably going to avoid spilling their personal philosophsies due to a lack of Fi when interacting with others - and that's what Miura shows in his illustrations. The Ni wants to bring their own inner visions into the physical world (Se) and thereby overcome fate (also Se); create their own fate. Even I think he's actually an INFJ in an Ni-Ti loop making him avoid his auxillary Fe - that's why he doesn't have any sense of purpose. He even laughed at a higher Se Silat (who is probably an ISFP) twice by exploiting his weaker Ni and using inherent weakness in his fighting style against him (too much of a show off, too physical and too little planning). Strategy and planning are how Guts defeats his enemies (as did Obi Wan and Yoda) - granted, he has to go full inferior Se when he gets into an end game slugging match with an apostle. That's why Griffith beat Guts before forcing him to join the Hawks. He doesn't get off to sensory experiences literally but what they represent to him. You can call my analysis retarded, sure, at least I'm not using a personality analysis tool that's even more vague than letter MBTI. INFJs could also be 8w9s as well. Regardless, Guts is a big picture thinker. He didn't know much beyond that and neither did Griffith ever express this desire for Guts - and I'm willing to bet he probably never knew he had it himself either due his inferior Fi. He is characteristically loud and unapologetic just like an ESTP. Corkus loves living in the moment and sees personal dreams and desires as delusions for a mercenary (Se dom, inferior Ni). NFJs at best are visionaries and not idealists (even though they fall under the group of NF Idealists). An SP very much would not question at the meaning of his sensory life at Gut's young age of 19 (right before he leaves after Doldrey). Obi Wan let himself get struck down by Darth Vader because becoming a force ghost would allow him to better influence Luke (Fe) on his path to becoming Jedi (Ni future planning). At this point I'm really not going explain this. Guts fought with the Hawks and left them after clearing the path for Tudors to sieze power over Midland after their victory at Doldrey - there would smaller territorial conflicts that Griffith could easily handle. //"which shows that it is more T than F"//. He calmly beat an incredbly dangerous Silat, twice, by exploiting his inlfated ego and beating him in a few strikes (he compares him to a street performer), even before, that Guts beat Griffith in combat with a single blow, using a child as bait to lure Rosines cannabalistic apostle spawn into a barn and setting it on fire to kill them, or the time he got the jump on Serpico by switching grips and fencing the Dragonslayer with his left hand when they fought. I do believe a 8 would have try to either seize power over the falcon (either by eliminating Griffith or by being loyal to him) or would have carved his own path to power ; he woudlnt have this "zero fuck given" attitudes that guts has. Just thinking about all of it makes me sick and i don't want to talk about it anymore. An SP might want to reject Ni interference so they can do their own Se things. Griffith had a terrible past and demonstrated a high level of depth and charisma, and still demonstrates more Ni idealizations than the Guts who only demonstrate living by being alive without any meaning. Guts conforms to the values of others and that's because he has Fe. Guts is an INFJ. If you want a literary example of why Guts ins't an SP you can take a look at his character foil, Corkus. But we can't have that can we. Indeed, 6 might be the most complex type, or eventually the hardest to determinate. "Do you love me father. Guts wants to survive and wants to hunt Griffith to get rid of the chaos and avenge his comrades. What do you think. This is fundamentally opposite of what Fi types do who are more concerned with how they and others conform to their own values. If you want a literary example of why Guts ins't an SP you can take a look at his character foil, Corkus. Agreed with ISFP. If you read the manga, his times with Hawks seems to be comprised memories of him with his comrades. In this site you can find out which of the 16 types this character 'Guts' belongs to!. And IxTPs in Fe grip can be very protector Guts thinks Se is meaningless. It's actually quite the opposite, otherwise he wouldn't be a berserker. Who thinks he is an ISFP or INFJ are an fool retarded Chaotic. Which he isn't either. An ISTP would've had similar reactions too albeit more ambivalent due to teritiary Ni. Se>Ni Guts was trained by Gambino and on the battle from the age of six to twelve and learned everything he could about survival in those years. Fe aux philosophers are more likely to express their philosophical beliefs in private than NTJs like Griffith and wouldn't be as concrete or dogmatic like a Te-Fi system due to Ti. The most accurate analysis of him would be that he's an unhealthy INFJ that comes off as an ISTP. That pleases everyone. Good analysis. He's not an educated orator or philosopher like Griffith who has found his values early on (due to Fi). I think people overlook the subtle tactics Guts throws at his enemies when in combat because Miura's panels focus so much on the combat and brutaity of Gut's fights. //''Guts has no idealist trait on society. Then there's the fact Guts very character is antithetical to the nature of live-in-the-present SPs. INFJs are cannot be strategists due to be a lack of Te grounding and so they have to rely on their unreliable yet unorthodox Ti to make up for it. On the contrary Ni doms would be among the best survivalists due to their strategic nature even with their Se. Jung also proposed that in a person one of the four functions above is dominant – either a function of perception or a function of judging.. This is exactly what he does during the Bonfire of Dreams speech. *ashamed* So he can't be inf-Fe cause he doesn't have manners and doesn't care about statuses. That's an aspect of Fe which is externally orientated and what ultimately tries to build "harmony". //"so much that Casca warned him about the change of posture of Griffith; Judeau explain the reason for Caska's attutude about how she acts wit him. This leaves Ti users as more tacticians than strategists like Te INTJs or ENTJs (like Griffith). heck even the dog demon inside him. As for his trauma, keep in mind, that this is in the later parts of the Golden Age where Guts has put down his barriers and has become more closer to the Hawks. He's always contempating about the meaning of his sword, about others and what he should do with his life. You see it practically every time he's alone by himself contemplating on things. This is why he didn't step back from fighting 100 soldiers - even though in the middle the battle he questions what he's doing in an otherwise miserable place. Based on the 1997 anime he seem like a ESTP, a lot of Se, as the only thing he knows is to fight without even thinking about it, and inferior Ni, as he wants to pursue he's own dream but doesn't know what or how to do it, as he can't plan things only react to what's immediate in front of him. Or the Ship captain being surprised at Guts' capacity for depth despite his otherwise bruthish outlook in one of the more recent chapters. The problem is deciphering where his mental functions lie and that is a tricky thing because Guts can become possessed by his shadow (look up shadow possesion by Jung) and exhibit more Ti-Se STP traits. NJ rejection of fate is a proclamation of free will. I think his trauma could've ended with both an ISTP or an INFJ to reach similar conclusions. that’ll never be “inferior Se”It's still possible. I remember how weak i was, couldn't do anything and i hate it. You're comparing Fi to Fe here. What is the best option for the MBTI type of Guts? What about enneagram and other personality types?. He doesnt strike me either has someone that is very rationnal and logically deducing things. What are you doing. He wasn't as refined in his eariler days but that's because he was still training and knew how to manage battles instead of individual duels. Guts is not a prodigy at swordsmanship which a higher Se stack would've shown but rather the end result of years of grueling training with over sized weapons. He is more of a tactician than a strategist and that why he doesn't have a Te plan before gets into battling an apostle. The typical Fe inferior in fiction is they are hard to trust other people or having difficulty of making friend. For God's sake, how do you see more Ni than Se in Guts. Look at Obi Wan Kenobi and Yoda from Star Wars, both whom are INFJs with inferior Se. I usually don't advocate typing a character based upon how you think you relate to them but I'm curious why you think Guts is an ISFP. They rationalize to themselves that if they can use MBTI despite being an unreliable psychometric system itself they can abritrarily associate certain enneagram types with certain MBTI types and therefore certain people or characters - thus excuse themselves from doing any real nuanced observations of the actions of people and characters. Guts demonstrates certain feelings because of his traumas, but is always aimed at people and how much he could have been better with them. Guts is not an NF, not in a million years I think he is a 9w8 ISFP ; he's not the kind of person that is seeking power. Guts is not a prodigy at swordsmanship which a higher Se stack would've shown but rather the end result of years of grueling training with over sized weapons. No, he does not have particularly efficient Se and had to learn over the years to deal with higher Se fighters like Griffith and Silat. Here you can explore of famous people and fictional characters.. INFJs derive purpose out of knowing what to do for others well being. "I'd rather fight for my life rather than live it. Guts has all the functions of an STP because he's an NFJ. No, he does not have particularly efficient Se and had to learn over the years to deal with higher Se fighters like Griffith and Silat. He concludes to Casca that it's meaningless to him. Corkus loves living in the moment and sees personal dreams and desires as delusions for a mercenary (Se dom, inferior Ni). Even his desire to find a dream of his own seems to be out of a desire to win Griffith's approval (or be his equal). Like Griffith never showing the signs about his love for Guts. Szero, I think people chose 8 because the first thing we notice about him is that he despises any mark of weakness. On an alternate note, while inferior Se can be poorly controlled when expressed, it can also be expressed in a very raw way which might explain Gut's sheer physicality but also his earlier inefficiencies in combat (losing to Griffith and nearly losing his head to Basuzo). Guts had much trouble for about his first year as a mercenary. That's why I think Guts is an INFJ (more on Fe later) he's very much driven by Ni. Guts knew he would be upset but that wasn't worth as much to the the approval Griffith would give him when he becomes his own man (using Ni to find Fe approval, seems INFJ doesn't it. Guts is energized by challenges; a means to grow. You really have no business in typing or anlayzing people or characters if you get off to Enneagram. Ennegram refers to vague archetypes and the lack of reference to well defined individual traits makes it the most susceptible to innaccurcies from the whims of the individual. Guts can't be an SP, not by his traits, or by how Miura wrote him. In the manga, he tells Corkus and Judeau in the morning he leaves that he was willing to do his mercenary work in the hopes "someone would look his way". They get so lost in Berserk's gore and violence completely overlook the more human commentary on nihilism and existentialism. but he did and was energized by it and he was willing to fight and continue to fight exaggeratedly. He also does not understand anything about feelings, the signs that people show, they need to explain to him understand the motivation of others, and he only began to understand more according to experience, which shows that it is more T than F. Take Logan (Wolverine) or Jessica Jones (MCU TV). It wasn't a master-student relationship otherwise Guts wouldn't try his hardest to bury his suspicions that Gambino did indeed sell him out to Donovan to get butt fucked (and scarred with PTSD for the rest of his life) even though he has enough reason enough to think he could've as he knows Gambino treats him like shit. Guts not being able to intuitively percive that Griffith was going to do something reckless and jeopardize the Hawks does not count. Loyal to their peers and to their internal value systems, but not overly concerned with respecting laws and rules if they get in the way of getting something done. Detached and analytical, they excel at finding solutions to practical problems.. I'm just trying to defend my theory here. so nope an inf Se could never have physical abilities like Guts have. You're such a fanciful fool. So we're using Ennegram as a crutch to analyze to the actions characters. Guts would be a lot of like Silat if he were to be an ISFP. Guts is INFP, shlurp me off bitch. I am individualistic, romantic, creative, but I care about image and want success and inspire others around me with my rebel values and chaotic ideas. This desire becomes stronger after meeting Griffith and know hecan be his own man. Here's one to settle everything. If it's not him having a concrete and expressive philosophical system than it's his drive to relently chase goals, focus on the meaning of things, and the mere refusal to accept the present circumstance of his life that demonstrates inferior Se and therefore must have Ni as dom. Both speak cryptically at times to manipulate others.
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