INFJ vs ESTP Myers-Brigs type - MBTI, enneagram and personality type info
Since tertiary function is every type's "aspiring" function, it's possible that it could be more developed through time than auxiliary function. Think Donald Trump. Still the issue here is ESTP vs INFJ and I explain why I wouldn't neccesary call ESTP more rational just due to being T, because having a overview of your life and where every piece fits together is part of what I call a rational person, and this is something in which ESTP have issues. and “this site really hates ESTPs” “Not really” bruh u srs. Just like it would be bias of me to say that ISTPs are more contemplative due to Ti and INFJs aren't due to Fe. This personality type is highly individualistic and Champions strive toward creating their own methods, looks, actions, habits, and ideas!. The only reasons INFJ is winning is because;. The best ideas are abstract. Idk why you idiots think abstract means intelligent. It's probably because Infjs make wiser decisions. Ni is more abstract and mathematical, if only thinks about sex. Stereotypes are funLol you clearly don't understand mbti or how the functions work. Sensors are so underrated on this site im not a sensor but i have noticed this. Philosophical INFJs like Plato and Schopenhauer humiliate all the ISTP philosophers that you think exist.
. But who has auxiliary feeling. You are in the best place to test MBTI and learn what type INFJ vs ESTP likely is!. Intuitive bias. Still, I also don't believe in making stuff up just to be balance the bad things said about sensors, many of the most important philosophers were likely INFJs (Lao Tzi, Buddah, Plato, Spinoza, Plotinus, Schopenhauer), the only one I would presume to be ISTP is Epicurus, so I don't see on what this statement resides on. idk what definition you are usingThinkers are more rational, what flavor it is ST or NT is just that, a flavor. Similarly, both Fe (INFJ auxiliary function) and Ti (ESTP auxiliary function) are rational functions, since they are judging functions. ESTPs are monkeysINFJs because INFJs have strong abstract Ni and fucking Ti. The answer resides within the question, no matter your interpretation of typology. Initution bullshitHahhahaha nice joke. "Intuitive bias"Introversion bullshit. You edgelord morons make me laugh, you're probably not even an INTJ or an N which makes it even funnier, cry some more kid xDKeep calm S types can be very intelligent and N types can be stupid too, N isn't a intelligence or something. I already said, "Not really, IJs are just generally more rational than EPs, this is not a matter of S/N, ISFJs are more rational than ESTPs as well. >Chaotic is either a troll or some idiot who discovered MBTI like a month ago. Learn the difference. Well they wrote "thinking/rational" , which includes thinking before acting, which is a trait correlated to introversion. One, that says nothing about individuals. Results: ESTP: 4 , INFJ: 6. It's got higher value than none*Media=stereotype. What I will say, though, is that while stereotypes should be a trend and not the rule, for most, it is the rule in their mind until someone breaks it. There's always a bias for intuitives because of that. Statistically INFJs have higher IQ than ESTPs and all the Ns on the list are smarter than the S. INFJ's are more likely enneagram Fives (which is a solid reason but not enough to get my vote)It's probably because Infjs make wiser decisions. You're just defending the idea that ESTPs are more rational because you're a sensor. lelESTP's secondary function is thinking while the thinking function in INFJs is tertiary. By that a huge portion of ESTPs are unhealthy. Se is just observational but really even Ni is grounded in reality. Of course you think we are stupid. I just think he's uncouth and doesn't always think through what he says. Ti vs Fe = Ti. Anyway, I notice that you have a strong need to defend STPs simply because you are an ISTP, it is understandable, but unfortunately in this world there are types that are superior to others. They know how to make connections that normal people - Sensors - can not see and ignore. Do you really think ESTPs are more rational than INFJs that avoid certain actions. '' You mean in the sense that they should be compared based on the first function. they might not be *reflective* but they're more grounded and in touch with reality. Not really imo. "Empirical data. Under that, NT is rational, so again we have a tie on the latter part. But when it comes to solving problems at hand that requires quick thinking, I'd say Estps are more rational. Most INTJs I talk to are pseudo-intellectual morons who think they're intelligent for quoting actual intellectuals verbatim. To think an NF is more rational than an ST is completely retarded. Idk why someone would type themselves as a feeler if they think themselves to be rational and vice-versa. ESTPs are definitely more "thinking/rational" than INFJs. Your anecdotal experiences don't count as arguments. ^ agreed w wpprsnppr on everything here lmao. By definition, ESTPs have auxiliary Thinking while INFJs have tertiary Thinking. It only shows that N does understand the theory better than S idiots. I wouldn't call ESTPs rational despite being T, they're more instinct first, thinking later. But when it comes to solving problems at hand that requires quick thinking, I'd say Estps are more rational. And there's more STP engineers than INFJ. Even if not directly tested, public voting can provide good accuracy regarding INFJ vs ESTP Myers-Briggs and personality type!. I wonder where you came up with that idea. There are more scientific and philosophical INFJs than ESTPs. INFJ's are calmer thus seen as "more" rational. And through the researches N has a higher IQ than S. Since tertiary function is every type's "aspiring" function, it's possible that it could be more developed through time than auxiliary function. Discover Array, and more, famous people, fictional characters and celebrities here!. Ni vs Se = Ni. "By that a huge portion of ESTPs are unhealthy. ESTPs have dom Se, the most impulsive function leading. Even the idiots Of the INFPs that are Fi-dom have higher IQs than ISTPs that have Ti-dom. '' Most NFs are smarter than STs. You keep changing the definition of rational though. Most of the media does not look at the probable MBTI types of the people appearing in their reports etc. Statistically INFJs have higher IQ than ESTPs and all the Ns on the list are smarter than the S. Since tertiary function is every type's "aspiring" function, it's possible that it could be more developed through time than auxiliary function. Initution bullshitOh come on, INFJ is more rational than ESTP, ESTPs tend to be impulsive and seek pleasure, INFJs tend to be patient and think about the things they're gonna do before doing themIntuition bullshitEstps have very underrated aux Ti. Jung also proposed that in a person one of the four functions above is dominant – either a function of perception or a function of judging.. This site really hates estp's for some reason. INFJs are more rational in the long run. My issue with saying ESTP are more rational than INFJ is that having an overview of your life and a long term goal is itself more rational than thanking unecessary risks for the sake of the moment's pleasure or thrill. In my experience, they're more street smart, pragmatic and practical. IQ research is a great example of this, because the statistics say that N are smarter than S. Clearly you don't understand how MBTI ever works when you say types are superior and inferior to one-another and how you trivialize anything that isn't intuition. Similarly, ESTP should thereby be 'more thinking/rational' than INFJ; the post seems like bait for either intuitive bias (which is where bending the definition of 'most thinking/rational' comes into play) or stereotyping. ESTP's are more rational, but INFJs are more overthinkingDo you think INFJs who are afraid of interacting with the real world and as a result become sensitive SJW Tumblrinas who are always in and out of mental hospitals are more rational than ESTPs. Ti in STPs do not make them think outside the box, they just analyze the immediate environment and drive them to act and be more hands on mass. ESTP are more realistic and rational than INFJ (INFJ due to their Fe use moralistic argument very often rather than logic) but ESTP are immature and impulsive that's why they seem less rational than they areThat would be an unhealthy Estp in my opinion. This question was setup to shit on INFJs I feel like. INFJ, the only feeling type more thinking than thinking types*intuitionESTP are more rational and down to earth of course. I would say INFJ more thinking because less impulsive but ESTP more rationnal: I think they are proportionally less represented amongst religious people than INFJ. Fe vs Ti = Ti. However, we have to put in consideration about nature vs nurture too. ESTPs use logic a lot more than INFJs, but their Ti serves Se, so it would be seem like a reckless behavior, but actually within the realm of logical reasoning. Stats=tend to be inaccurate"Media=stereotype. dom: 4 aux: 3 tert: 2 inf: 1. But again, ESTPs are 'thinking' while INFJs are 'feeling,' so ESTP is more 'thinking' than INFJs here too. this question is stupid as hell and I'm an INFJ. Sensing/Thinking will always trump Intuition/Feeling when it comes to rationality. More "thinking". INFJ's are calmer thus seen as "more" rational. Ugh, guys one at a time, I can't handle so much stupidity all at once >. He seems to think everything is much easier and simpler than it actually is. ''Nope, that title goes to INTJs''. But this is a fundamental error and completely misconstrues what thinking/rational means. What is the best option for the MBTI type of INFJ vs ESTP? What about enneagram and other personality types?. empirical data. Your comment is based on the premise that getting locked up is bad it seems. INFJ's are more likely enneagram Fives (which is a solid reason but not enough to get my vote)But who has auxiliary feeling. This is not a knock against INFJs, who are collectively some of the most thoughtful, profound individuals out there. The superiority complex is strong with this one. The only smart S that I met are ISTPs but still they are kind of dumb and can not understand some of my ideas. INFJs can be more rational because they tend to think before they speak whilst ESTPs can be rather impulsive. >What about ENFJ vs ESTP. Intuition is not this super function that you think it is and it does not by default make you a genius. INFPs, like most introverts, are quiet and reserved. They prefer not to talk about themselves.. ''But it's unfair to use Ni to describe INFJ and Se to describe ISTP. And before any of you accuse me of being a dumb sensor making a pathetic ploy for a self-esteem boost, I am actually a N type. I'll agree that INTXs are the most contemplative. Their actions are less rational therefore they are less rational But besides that, ESTP do a lot of stupid things so. xSTPs do not even seem to be rational because they risk a lot in danger, it looks like a bunch of animals. If you say soI hate it when people claim things about me without having anything to base their statement on, which unlike me before, you didn't, even though what my statements were based on is largely empirical, it's got higher value none. Not really, IJs are just generally more rational than EPs, this is not a matter of S/N, ISFJs are more rational than ESTPs as well. Being logical means you use logic a lot, while being calm and contained means you're being cautious and prone to be introvert. You could pair any type with its 'opposite', and, as expected, the thinking type wins in terms of being 'more thinking', since their thinking function is always higher than the feeler's. Everytime I start talking to an INFJ, they like "Uh buh No please". But what about the other half of the question, 'thinking'. No, no, no, no, no. Everyone arguing INFJ is more thinking/rational than ESTP, stop. ESTPs can be very intelligent in the here-and-now but can lack reason when it comes to arranging all the aspects of their life or planning for long term, INFJ can be intelligent when it comes to ordering their life depending on some long term goal but can lack practical sense in the here and now, so both types can be intelligent in a certain aspect and not in the other, and of course they can learn to balance this aspects. Just because you have the same personality as Tesla and Newton doesn't mean you're Tesla or Newton. Idiot people think that Putin is an ISTP, but actually Putin is an INTJ because he is very strategist and focused. Ni vs Se = Ni. You say that ESTPs ARE and INFJs CAN have great ideas. They action are based on Se ambition (basic pleasure and want to enjoy) but if we take a ESTP philosopher for example like Epicurus he is far more rational(i mean rational not rationalist) than Plato(INFJ). Calling Ni more logical cause it's abstract is like saying Se is more logical cause it's realistic. It's not my fault you're a dumb sensor. You're basically saying ESTPs aren't more rational because they have weaknesses and flaws. Also it's not even about this particular entry, i've noticed that a lot of negative entries are flooded with estp (and esfj) votes. Rationalism and abstract ideas go together. But in terms of intelligence, the ni-dom wins by far. , let alone them even knowing about MBTI. Anyway, I am an INTJ and through my conversation with various sensors and the research I have observed, S types are dumber and irrational than N types because they simply observe what is there and do not think outside the box. '' This is what differentiates N from S, your monkey. Introvert bias. You took the words right out my mouth, ESTPs definitely are more rational than INFJs, however INFJs can be intelligent too. ESTPs are monkeysINFJs because INFJs have strong abstract Ni and fucking Ti. Similarly, redefining thinking/rational to mean pragmatic/factual moves the goalposts in favor of ESTP, so let's just reset. ESTPs would more likely to take an opportunistic move towards a business because of their nonchalance and ambition (Se) that they had calculated possible and that yielded good profit (Ti). ESTPs are monkeysINFJs because INFJs have strong abstract Ni and fucking Ti. " About what. Anyway, the thing is that individuals of both types can be rationale, but neither of these types is characterized by rationality first and foremost,. http://mbtibase. They're scared of the world and especially of me. The MBTI questionnaire sorts people into one of 16 different personality types.. So judging purely off functions, ESTP is 'the most thinking' one. Stats=tend to be inaccurate" - based on what. However, we have to put in consideration about nature vs nurture too. Stop itI'm way more than rational than these weirdos. Not really, IJs are just generally more rational than EPs, this is not a matter of S/N, ISFJs are more rational than ESTPs as well. Now let's suppose you're taking a statistical/a posteriori approach rather than a principled/a priori approach. Initially, I took ESTPs as dumb jocks (as the stereotype follows), but when it came to my 'nerdy' acquaintances, pretty much half of them were ESTPs, and all of them definitely more rational than myself. To make it clear: I'm not saying INFJ are more rational because they have more important philosophers, but rather that is irational to say there are more ISTP philosophers when Ni is the most contemplative of functions, while Se the least interested in contemplation. Compare the average person of both types. Hahhahaha nice joke. Idiot people think Johan is an ISTP, but in fact he is an INFJ because he is very abstract and clever. I love how I'm a "bias special snowflake" when the two of you idiots are just circle-jerking one another with your "intuitive master race" bullshit. Se is not all about acting on impulse. The type bias in this thread knows no bounds. A word of advice: making accusations like that just makes your case look weaker. "ESTPs account for about 4–10% of the population. Rational serves to describe Man in general, and is a characteristic that separates him from the rest of the animals. So an INFP acts according ro reason when they masturbate to unicorns. Results: ESTP: 1. Perception functions take in information. @Kawaii_tha_marten,. auxillary Ti>tertiary Ti. Rational: based on or in accordance with reason or logic. If you enjoyed this entry, find out about the personality types of the most thinking/rational characters list.. Thinking – Feeling, represents how a person processes information. Thinking means that a person makes a decision mainly through logic.. " according to wikipedia. There's smart and dumb people of every type. Intuitive bias. STPs may be good at sports, but have difficulty formulating abstract ideas and understanding and creating theories. ESTPs are more "thinking" obviously in a MBTI context, but INFJs are probably more "rational"Most ESTPs are street smart and pretty slick but lets be real INxxs in general top the intelligence spectrum. Sensors only know how to live in the predictable and the ordinary. Just stereotypes and baseless bullcrap you made up in your head to compensate for your obvious lack of identity. "I don't find stats accurate because a lot of people there were probably mistyped. You guys are hopeless lolYou can not understand. Can you post the source of this stats please. LOL, NT>ST>NF>SF, but ESTPs still more rational than INFJs, however INFJs can have great ideias and can be rational too. However, we have to put in consideration about nature vs nurture too. INFJs are as a group much more than 'Tumblr posters' and Sensors as a group are much more than 'regular. You all are overthinking this. What does that have to do with the entry. And many questions its reliability. Then complain about NFs. Just baseless claims and then when coaxed to explain yourselves you just throw out this "you wouldn't understand" copout. INFJs are way more laid backESTP is one of the most confident and aggressive types as well. Sensors have no ability to formulate philosophical and complex ideas. The only reasons INFJ is winning is because;. Introvert bias. charid=33880 Being reckless or impulsive doesn't signify being less logical. ESTP is more 'thinking/rational'. How does introversion says shit abt impulsivity btw. For example, Christopher Langan (IQ 200) is an ESTP. In this site you can find out which of the 16 types this character 'INFJ vs ESTP' belongs to!. An INFP stuck into dream world is more rational than STs. Idk why ESTPs are so stereotyped in this site, ESTPs can be highly intelligent and they have more Ti than INFJs. Jung theorized that the dominant function acts alone in its preferred world: exterior for extraverts and interior for introverts.. Now, a genius-level INFJ could have far more powerful Ti than a run-of-the-mill ESTP, sure, just as a genius-level ESTP could have far more powerful Fe than a run-of-the-mill INFJ. Sensing/Thinking will always trump Intuition/Feeling when it comes to rationality. " Biased and based on stereotypes comment. There's more ISTP philosophers than INFJ philosophers. Do you think that the voters are devoid of it. Not to forget that ESTPs make up more than half of the prison population despite only being 4% of the general population. In other words, on this question you have to take a theoretical approach, and no matter which valid theoretical approach you take, ESTP comes out on top. Calling Ni more logical cause it's abstract is like saying Se is more logical cause it's realistic. It’s more P/J followed by F/T than anything. This definition moves the goalposts in favor of INFJ by adding N-related considerations into the definition of thinking/rationality. Welcome to MBTIBase - PersonalityBase, here you can learn about INFJ vs ESTP MBTI type.. And there's more STP engineers than INFJ. Well one is a practical minded thinker, but the other majored in women's studies and writes Tumblr posts. They are usually much more intellectual than other types. ISTPs are Ti doms, Te tends to not think outside the box, Ti does. It's simply mental horsepower, and actually a subset of mental horsepower that only measures a narrow swath of intellect and not necessarily thinking/rationality. that's what i assume the author meant by "thinking/rational" anyway. I am aware of what you said but that doesn't invalidate my points. Under a Jungian interpretation, both Ni (INFJ dominant function) and Se (ESTP dominant function) are irrational functions, since they are perceiving functions. In general ESTPs are analytical and knowledgeable people, they can be very intelligent more than people think, but depends on the enneagram type. Rational functions come to decisions and draw conclusions so your analogy is just stupid. It gets its insights from somewhere. XSTPs even with Ti end up risking equal animals; XSTJs even with Te ends up being easy to manipulate. I spoke about the majority of prisoners being ESTP, but I think you tell that based on your personal observation. 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. You might find that INFJs as a group have a higher average IQ than ESTPs. I think all S types with N tert can have great ideias, ISTP with Ni very developed can understand several ideias and concepts. You aren't operating under any sort of logic. MBTI is DOMINATED by INxx's who think they have everything more figured out so the bias isn't unreasonable, but it can certainly cloud judgment. Saying there are more ISTP philosophers is like saying there are more INFJ sportsman, logic would tell you types tend to gravitate towards what fits more their cognitive bias. ESTPs are monkeysINFJs because INFJs have strong abstract Ni and fucking Ti. Actions that get you locked up tend to not be rational. "Mindlessly agree with my illogical dogmas or you're a stupid poopy head"You guys don't have an accurate understanding of N and S and you enforce this "Ns can do what Ss can't and but not vice-versa" idiocy. Congratulations, Teddyjr. Everyone on the internet is always struggling to play devils advocate so hard to try to and receive major attention for their so called profound insights that they lose touch with reality in the process. estp's are much more down to earth than the mbti community gives them credit for. So this approach is faulty. WrongNot based on stereotypes (which you weren't even able to tell but just interpreted in), but on my very own experiences, media, and statistics. Maybe you know ISTPs who are philosophical from time to time, but while for ISTPs philosophy can be something to complete their everyday life, for INFJ is usually *their life*. Donald trump is 8w7, in general 8w7s are impulsive and agressive people, all ESTPs, ESTJs and ENTJs 8w7 tend to be irrational people. auxillary Ti>tertiary Ti. INFJs would see the opportunity more slowly as they have to concern about their vision (Ni) and what affects others (Fe), and since their ethical function trumps logic (Fe over Ti), would end up not doing it.
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