Japan Myers-Brigs type - MBTI, enneagram and personality type info
Also the conclusions you're jumping to based on the mouse experiment are a bit ridiculous. And what's with the self-satisfied, arrogant tone. Passive suffering is certainly unhealthy, but active conflict and struggle may provide an opportunity for self improvement. I find being workaholic more Te than Fe. < But yes, the quality of a society is a function of the power punk rock has within it. But I do know if you forced me to generalize, I would say most of my interactions there more closely resembled my interactions with ISFJ folks back home.
. A certain amount of bullying could be a necessary evil to maintain social cohesion. A real scottistic poop eater. The kind of stuff #butterfly tolled about Japan is very similar to how our parents described communist Romania. I'm a white guy who spoke pretty decent Japanese, so obviously my experiences aren't going to mirror a native and they should be taken for what they are. These tests were the inspiration for the movie Battle Royale in which high school students are forced to kill each other on an island until only one of them is alive. Japan is an amazing example of will-power, but it also shows the downsides of it all. @Severe, thanks for giving us your down-to-earth and native perspective. For example, people don't break the law because they'd be tremendously shamed by the society, children are very disciplined and responsible because they are taught to think about society as a young age. If you're anything like me, the people there will treat you with tact, and very rarely will they be direct or confrontational with you about basically anything. I actually spent some time in the Kansai Region as an international student and attended University there. How could it be that there are similar symptoms among such disparate cultures. Still, I feel that while the culture uses FJ aspects like peer pressure and collectivism, they're directed to a TJ goal: efficiency. Yeah, they semi-encourage bullying so that people will not want to be different. Still, if we look at the ''Japanese economic miracle'' and what made Japan a super-power after WWII, I think it's very high on Te. " My thoughts exactly. #butterfly, The more conservative a society turns out, the better the punk-rock (Tacher's Britain, Reagan's SUA). Here you can explore of famous people and fictional characters.. It may sound clich. @bobnickmad Funny you would mention Nietzsche. and we love doitsu(Germany) bc they are rational and smarter than us in every way. But the kind of punk-rock I hear in Japanese movies or anime tend to be pretty lame tough. in the US, which is just as bad or worse than the problems in Japan in its own, different way. INTPs are well known for their brilliant theories and unrelenting logic, which makes sense since they are arguably the most logical minded of all the personality types.. ), but with a huge xNFP shadow (all the tv games we can see there and the eccentricity which goes with it, the cosplay, etc. We see the same thing on and on: authority, loyalty, toughness, stoicism and almost over-human efficiency and work ethic. About infantilism and persecution complexes, I agree it's not a major issue yet. If you ever have children, I hope they are bullied half as much as I was and we'll see how they will use their "opportunity for self-improvement". "An oasis in a desert of conformism. Stability and social cohesion is surely the most valuable advantage of oriental culture in general, but it's greatest disadvantage is its tendency to stagnate. Yeah, but we're personifying a society, I wouldn't say too many ISxJs are literally to blame here. How much of that is because I'm a foreigner, I don't know. Anyway, I think ISTJ is a pretty good typing, or perhaps ISFJ because they are so collectivist, ridiculously courteous and so heavily ruled by tradition. Also, the rates of suicide. It has its advantages, especially for certain types of courses. Maybe it is social pressure, but more specifically: the social pressures arising from overpopulation and the commodification of human beings. Unless they manage to perfect their robot technology by then. There's a big emphasis on industry and technology over traditions in modern Japan. It should also be noted that even the anime industry is pretty workaholic. In America, it's probably ESTJ and ESFJ. What strikes about Japan is the efficiency in building stuff up from the ground, like losing a major war and becoming one of the most developed countries in a few decades. INFPs, like most introverts, are quiet and reserved. They prefer not to talk about themselves.. Also, it's interesting if we compare the Japanese ultimate warrior with the European/American one. Wikipedia: "Females ceased to reproduce. I may be deluded, but I think it will be. There are definitely not always ways of dealing with bullying. Yeah, to be fair it depends completely on how you personify the country, and most people choose to focus on in what way the country is different with the ones they are most familiar with (the West. Also have a very interesting culture maybe Ne. On the other hand, for example I would say Neon Genesis Evangelion or Serial Experiment Lain are very punk rock in the sense that they are daring, raw and without compromise. :DISJs can be good persons individually, but any society where they rule things too much is bound to be a dystopia presenting itself as an utopia. It's too bad Japan can't use its creativity for something more useful. The males withdrew completely never engaging in courtship or fighting. But there are ways of dealing with bullies. Also because of etiquette you're expected to practically be kissing the floor in front of everyone that walks, and that is people that you are considered equal to. Welcome to MBTIBase - PersonalityBase, here you can learn about Japan MBTI type.. "I love japen. My guess about the madness of their entertainment, like anime and game show, is maybe that because they work so hard, they also want to play really hard -- or maybe it's the Japanese spirit of if you're doing something, like kidding around and waste time, in true nazi spirit you're REALLY GODDAMN FUCKING GOING TO DO IT HAIL HOLY EMPEROR HIROHITO. But functions stay the same, they are just used differently based on local standard. Darcy engineer INTJ you see for 5 minutes every day will marry you so you can stay at home and play Dragon Quest VIII all day while watching your children who are extremely quiet and well-behaved because they're traumatized by school life. < Anyway, I don't think "bullying and a bit of discipline" in the West would do much good honestly. Why do you think the world is overpopulated. And the different teaching methods are certainly not a trade-off. Also, those seiyuu and animators work pretty damn hard, and they paid little to nothing. When you do punk rock in Japan it's only not truly "punk rock". That said, Japan strikes me as a very service and convenience oriented society. They are extroverted, idealistic, charismatic, outspoken, highly principled and ethical, and usually know how to connect!. What a curious case of a country. sque" and Apollonian but if you look in the depths of its culture (and especially in their most recent aspect) you can see an apparent and flagrant Ne-Fi, their Dionysan Alter Ego. " which you are demonstrating by getting emotional and taking a discussion so personally. Collectivism is Fe, while individualism is Fe, and both are the core of Japanese culture. Haven't you heard of Japanese problem with young people who no longer want to have sex. Every country's norms are built on SJ way of operation because that's how the traditions are preserved and passed on. The second letter in the personality type acronym corresponds to the preference within the sensing-intuition dimension: “S” stands for sensing and “N” stands for intuition.. A country's problem or phenomena has more to do with personality type(s). I see where you're coming from. STPs being the least prevalent though. " -Donald TrumpA lot of thinkers. Also, I definitely disagree. I was think more about what makes Japan stand out among other Asian countries, and I firmly believe ISTJ over ISFJ now. The conclusions drawn from this experiment were that when all available space is taken and all social roles filled, competition and the stresses experienced by the individuals will result in a total breakdown in complex social behaviours. This is just a general tendency of course, and I'm sure there are many Japanese with "normal" working hours as well. Overdeveloped inferior functions. I used to try to do it too, but as I learn their way of thinking I start to doubt that we can use normal function definitions to pinpoint what things are. so it's like a game. Aren't ISxx the majority of Japan population. I see Japan as an originally standalone system, then when they got westernized, took another system, but they haven't let it override the original one. istj or sj types are most "common people" in japan. The Japanese system wants to churn out a highly disciplined and efficient work force, whereas Western systems realize that massive amounts of rote-memorization is not going to help the majority of people, and instead seeks to create an environment that encourages the rise of the occasional creative genius.
. Also, it's a very brutal and demanding system: If you can't keep up then perhaps, socially speaking, you're left in a much worse situation than you would in the West. If you are a girl, some QT Mr. 6w5 so/sx and istj. Yeah, anime can be punk, but not Miyazaki stuff, that's not very punk. I think he was looking in the right general direction, though he was too vague and too hateful to his fellow men. I think the extreme collectivism is encouraged in Japan because of geographic reason: It is an isolated country and island, and full of natural disasters. Sounds like it's just stuff that annoys you about people. They stand out for their inventive and detailed personal logical systems. About younger people having less sex, I wonder if the cause is really the social pressure to conform. now i will eliminate my good but not better komaeda pointThe otaku version of Japan is very different from Japan's at large, it's almost like a oasis in a desert of conformism. @Butterfly Another way to phrase "persecution complex" is "victim mentality. Good points @butterfly on unpaid overtime, even if you might be a *bit* dystopian regarding Japan's social problems. ISFJ might be right, the Ti-tert is hereIn schools children are semi-encouraged to bully each other, everyone is punished if one person makes a mistake because the individual matters NOTHING, they are at school almost all day and wash the floor together, their pedagogy is heavily oriented towards memorization with no room for creativity and for university you are subjected to a series of incredibly brutal test which people take weekend school and study almost every waking second in order to be able to compete in them for the better universities. Looking at countries like characters from Hetalia is kinda fun I admit. Yeah, good luck with ''bullying makes people not want to be different'', lol. If you look at Japan at a technology standpoint, they are very INTP. More open teaching methods are proven to be more beneficial whereas bullying does not give you thicker skin, it gives you thinner skin; most bully victims (myself included) suffer from great mental health issues later in life. It's a movie essentialy a movie made by an ISFJ about how the ISFJ aspects of the cultures (respecting one's elders) become more and more neglected. Rote learning creates workaholic, dependant drones. Also how in the world will infantilism and persecution complexes, whatever you precisely mean by that, become important problems. Japan is a very unique country, and their way of thinking is very different. And they're excellent at self-sustainability and cooperation. Discover Array, and more, famous people, fictional characters and celebrities here!. More Ne/Si than Se/NiAt first glance, you might believe this country is extremely "ISTJi. People have tried to bully me as well. I do tend to think that suffering is good for great art. Forgot to add the link (again): https://www. Back on topic, I voted ISFJ to the extent that you can personify nations. See, I think the traditional Asian cultures could be ISFJ (traditions, respecting the elders) so a country like Japan has an ISFJ bias. On a bright side, this extreme measure has also made them thrive in their own way. How overconfident can you be. and for tempering my account with a much needed dose of realism and context. In this site you can find out which of the 16 types this character 'Japan' belongs to!. The xNFP shadow can also be seen in the problem of social anxiety in japan and suicide (Japan being one of the countries with the highest number of suicides), which are caused by a huge social pressureAsian countries are very often very introverted, Japan seems to be an ISTJ country (importance of tradition, having a good status, getting thing done, etc. On the other hand, in a way, I think the Japanese system abuses this need for the sake of the general economy. Maybe you've heard of the Calhoun mouse experiments. com/country-profiles/japanBtw, xNFP doesn't equal social anxiety. Also, I don't approve any behavior that's the result of ''bullying'', no matter how normal or healthy it should appear, people are truly individualistic only become more as a result of bullying, otherwise they weren't be as such to begin with. What I am suggesting is that some sort of conflict and struggle is necessary to strengthen people and society. I think it's safe to say that the some way a child has two parents, every culture has a feminine and a masculine side. But then again typical Type 4 to say this. I live in Northern Europe, and everything here is pretty utopian when it comes to work hours, etc. 16personalities. It's also interesting how you instantly interpret my reaction into justification for it all. If you are male, your only alternative is probably to lock yourself into your room at your parents's house and refuse to leave, that is becoming a so-called hikkikomori. Anyway you could say their pop-culture, which is of less importance in their society and thus fits with the lower functions, is simply the ISxJ's Inferior Ne. You're right but I don't live there so yepIf you lived in Japan you probably wouldn't be saying that. So things can be lost in translation here, like if we're talking about ABC, Japan can talk about CBA but it's actually ABC, same thing but reversed thought process, and it has nothing to do with functions, just their 'cultural' orientation. if japan is REALLY ISTJ THEN explain animeI'm the ultimate fart bomber. org/wiki/Kar%C5%8Dshi many companies purposely try to force their employees to not overwork themselves, for example. I think some may say ISTP, but there's a big emphasis on blind loyalty to the Emperor rather than to ones companions. Ugh, I guess then we are at an impasse in regards to developing a political science based around punk rock. Of course you also have homelessness and people working 3 jobs every day, etc. "If there is something to be learned from Japan it's perhaps the power and importance of social cohesion. "Open learning" is not about letting the few creative geniuses flourish, but about somewhat meeting the different needs, interests and capabilities of different students, and creating independent individuals with basic skill sets for success. I think it's because it makes it more important to you or something. Especially compared to stuff like unstable, unfair economies and global warming. Maybe I've read too much of him. On the other hand, it's motivated by collectivism and peer pressure and family is also something they take very seriously. By "open learning" I would assume you're talking about interactive and active teaching styles. As for ''respecting one's elders'', traditions and stuff like that, I'm thinking about the movie Tokyo Story, by Ozu (INFJ). Culturally, Japan seems workaholic ISTJ that developed a pretty strong ENFP shadow in time. @Snowstalker: Japan has lower OFFICIAL working hours than the US, perhaps, but the fact is that they are expected, without pay, to invest most of their free time in their work as well. The education system being based heavily on rote memorization is unfortunate, but also hardly unique (see also America) and is at least partially alleviated by greater student autonomy in the club system. Like how they respect their elders, strict gender roles and elaborate traditions taken very seriously. Even if not directly tested, public voting can provide good accuracy regarding Japan Myers-Briggs and personality type!. as japanese i'd have to tell you more realistic side of us. your honesty is appreciated. Though perhaps rather than literally punk rock we can say it's about the spirit of punk rock. That, is also the reason why I think we can't really type Japan. Im Always watching animey and reading the mango. If this is an INTJ, it's a really immature one. , but thats how I see thingsImo Japan is possibly one of the most introvert countries ever. So when the Meji period came, the ISTJ ideal samurai was disbanded, but the mentality survived as it moved to the militarism of the Meiji period which culminated in a small nation being almost unstoppable even for the biggest powers at the time, like a colony of ants marching in a forest and taking everything down with them. And what do you mean by "the commodification of human beings", and what does it have to do with the mouse experiment. ISTJs can be kind of blunt and critical, that was the opposite of my experience in Kansai, Japan. If you enjoyed this entry, find out about the personality types of Politicans and Leaders characters list.. That's what social pressure does to you, you either fit those standards or you give up. Japanese is loyal, hard worker, artisanal, kind, but aloof and feeling awkward at speaking out their thoughts. And imo the people's happiness and well-being will always be more important than numbers. @butterfly you know that Japan has lower average worked hours per year than the US right. After Japan lost WWII, the military was almost reduced to nothing, but like with the samurai, the spirit survived and passed on to the Japanese worker. Meanwhile I don't really recognize "infantilism" and "persecution complexes" as major issues in the West, nor people (and I don't think this is really that common anyway) trying to be different for the sake of being different. This appears to be a new phenomenon in the West as well, among the later millennials. In Japan is ISFJ and ISTJ. I understand that bullying is not pleasant. Even my Professors treated me very delicately when I should've been told outright I was doing things wrong. That's why people need to stick together to make sure the people in the society survive. What is the best option for the MBTI type of Japan? What about enneagram and other personality types?. Punk-rock is powerless. and our Ideal personality. As far as I'm concerned, you are the one who made the discussion personal and emotional by letting aggression, pride etc. I don't think we can type a country because a country is full of paradoxes to pinpoint into just one. It's a tradeoff though and it's hard to say which is better. v=89fzm4o9154 Like they have this kind of music, which keeps the spirit of punk alive while being suficiently janap-weird, so maybe this is their real punk. < If you get into a good university you're allowed a few years of rest, as the name of your university matters far more than your grade, at which point you're thrown into working life where you're strongly pressured into and expected to work like 14+ hours every day with no extra pay. :P A lot of people were teased a little growing up and they think they know what bullying is. It's like everything, the more something's useful, the worse their bad side is. Than again, Japan developed noise and stuff like that, so maybe their punk is lame because they took it the another level. The MBTI questionnaire sorts people into one of 16 different personality types.. It's actually very safe and dispassionate because it's been done before and you're just copying. And allot of Japanese gave up, with the same results as the western complacency you talk about, if not worse. I certainly don't see it as an example for others to follow, I personally wouldn't want to live there. Wow, #siegen sounds almost like Nietzsche here, I will vote INTJ for him. For example, Japanese can be seen as more introverts, but maybe their 'extroversion' is different from western extroversion because of the culture. show through brutal views and an arrogant tone. I read about an article that Japan has absolute way of alienating people who don't behave, or are different from the rest, which are basically based on the ancient culture of alienation, and then leads to bullying. You are in the best place to test MBTI and learn what type Japan likely is!. I am not endorsing Japan-ization, and I wouldn't recommend any healthy westerner to go live in Japan, myself included. I think just like we crave food, we crave to be a part of something greater than ourselves whereas in the West it's easier to become alone, disconnected and alienated. In any case, when you get old you will probably die of hunger because Japan, for nationalist reasons, refuse to take in much immigration work forces and so there will be no one to take of you when you can't take care of yourself anymore. If there is something to be learned from Japan it's perhaps the power and importance of social cohesion. what do you mean with repressed creativity have you seen komaedaRepressed creativity. I think each can learn from the other. It was about how a colony of mice suffered social breakdown and their population ceased to reproduce. Jung also proposed that in a person one of the four functions above is dominant – either a function of perception or a function of judging.. Sure, ISFJ tend to be very focused on doing work as good as they can, but they're still family oriented, while being too focused on work tends to take away from spending time with one's family. I think the European/American one is ESTP, while the Japanese is ISTJ. Since many people in Japan die of overworking https://en. I won't say anymore at risk of turning this into a pissing contest, but if you think that I also "got teased a little and think I know what bullying is", you are very wrong. Bullying leads to grunge, nu-metal and black-metal.