Jordan Peterson Myers-Brigs type - MBTI, enneagram and personality type info
It's not about personal depth but about the depth of the idea. "His crusade against non-gender pronouns isn't actually a result of not wanting to be conform due to inferior Fe or impeding agianst his values of an Fi but very an Ni-Fe drive to protect Canada from what he envisions as a terrible Marxist dystopia in it's future. Something Jung talked about in Psychological Types. You’re very empirical in your approach, while I am more interpretive. //"I score extremely similar to Peterson (and my girlfriend, who's an actual INFJ), does that make me an INFJ. //"claiming shit like "hedonism is inferior Se", as if INxJs are the only ones to get hedonistic when things don't go their way. It just works like this. Peet continually references things like sympathy, tolerance, kindness, and decency while Peterson references practicality, truth, efficiency, and past precedent. Way better guess. #Knowledge is half the battle. I’m not only using it to refer to ideas directly put forward by Jung himself. Functions can at least describe why a type might behave differently (even contradict their overall type) in different circumstances and under pressure. The functions are a theory. Why do you think you're an ISTJ. I feel like for the purpose of making typology meaningful when approaching philosophers, people like CT/IDRL basically created their own rainbow inside of indigo. They don't care about social harmony. And his seriousness is typical INTJ. Was it above or below average. His Fe is skilled enough for effective communication otherwise his lectures wouldn't as engaging as they are. but an Ni-Fe drive to protect Canada from what he envisions as a terrible Marxist dystopia in it's future. Are you real Trying to type this man can only bring us madness. ENFJ, being an extraverted judger, is more more likely interrupt social gatherings to forward themselves than an INFJ is. Keep in mind that if his work proved anything at all, other neuroscientists would have jumped on his findings—neuroscience would have to be completely reshaped. Consistently define Peterson not being a feeler under Jungian functions otherwise there's not much merit to this claim. This is why I have break down my thoughts so precisely. There is a limit to how many people will even understand our arguments because they will look at Peterson and see him being disagreeable, critical, logical, and undiplomatic in debates and be like “look, he’s T/Te. If you go over the descriptions for individual types in letter MBTI there are contradicting traits and overall demeanors that wouldn't make sense for a personal to have all at the same time. Intellectualizing "ethics, conscience, society, and human nature" would fit into Jung's view of both ET and IT types because the act of doing so suppresses the Feeling response to such issues and takes them into the intellectual domain. Pay close attention to the way he delivers his message. Are you an idiot. If a well-reviewed personality biography of Peterson came out I would value its evidence higher than the interviews. I doubt most of the people typing Peterson as a T type have seen the video where Peterson starts talking about how his ideas are helping disenfranchised boys and literally bursts into tears. Lack of Extraverting capacity will do that to any Introverted type, you sumbit to someone else when you cannot argue your position. My only real contribution here can be what Jung said or didn't say, or what MBTI is or isn't. It makes the most logical sense when you consider his work, motivations, and tendencies as a whole. I think his obsession with phenomenology, Jungian archetypes, and mythicism is a pretty good indicator that he's an Ni dom. Ventus, you're like, coming back from Iraq only to discover that you're country's been trumped. Also Dario Nardi's work is biased trash. Please spare me your function magic here. Again, it's complicated. That's arguable. If not, guess it's your problem, but I won't be convinced. "good guys" - good, value, F, 'good guys', abstract concept - N. An Fe user is concered about social harmony. He believes that truth is the highest value but has justified this (whenever pressed on it) using arguments rooted in the proper function of society and on ethical grounds — which implies that the impetus of his prioritization of truth is his sense of values and human relationships/society (Fe, not Te). Definitely 1 though. You really have to delve into his work to get a greater understanding of his type. Same goes for my use of the word “Jungian” — I am using it to refer to “Jungian typology” which refers to typology that utilizes Jungian cognitive functions as its foundation. On the other hand though, Peterson explained how his hedonistic tendencies interfered with his intellectual pursuits almost textbook like I explained it just now, and since that's an actual documented thing in enneagram, that's my reason for typing him a 5, which was the only thing I was even arguing about to start with. But apply it on a bigger scope and you're left with a pretty useless tool. //"INFJs have auxillary Fe and unrepressed Ti, they are actually masters at wording their views in a manner that keeps them relatively intact while also soothing the listener. You're a fucking joke Teru. ) - but, at the end of the day, what matters is whether something works (in regards to theoretical ideas, this is based on an abstract value (NF) - the 'greatness' of the idea itself), and you specify this is of higher importance than encouraging new, innovative ideas. How about the rest of his Extraversion score. And you're doing it again. A good place to start if you want to see where INFJ is coming from (I actually forgot to mention this in my original arguments) is his answers on Quora. He is using Ni and Fe to project what the outcome and intention of the specific set of mindset that Peet is arguing for. Or is he an INTP who's not a total dork. He seems to be at least INTX to me, and comes off like a pretty cold rationalist. He answers this in the first two minutes of the video. He sees what the university intellectuals and government officials want to do with restricting free speech and he's simply putting his foot down to do what is thinks is in the best interest of Canadians. @scotty When I say youth I mean well into 20s. Part of this is because his definition of Ni was very narrow; some of the modern definition of Ni was actually built into Jung’s interpretation of Ti. He could be ENFJ but he demonstrates a Ti strong enough to give people the impression he's a Thinker (Te/Ti dom/aux). No "truth" pretention other than that. The only sensible typing of Peterson in this case is Ni-Fe-Ti-Se INFJ. Go back to the points I've made about Extraverts and types of Extraverts under MBTI. That's why I have to break them down step by step because you've clearly demonstrated that you don't understand them. Do you know whether your elation at being praised is due more to the fact that you felt accepted, or wanted by other people - or was it due to feeling as though it meant you personally were 'good'. I'm merely pissed that these people don't think like me, can't see that he's an INTP, so they're pretty much a bunch of confident idiots, except for that one guy whose not even confident yet says I'm wrong and shares his opinion anyway. He sees what the university intellectuals and government officials want to do with restricting free speech and he's simply putting his foot down to do what is thinks is in the best interest of Canadians. The fact that a significant swath of his character — the swath that seems more indicative of who he is — does not primarily use logic is a sign that he most likely is not a T type. I've said that enough. That's what Fe dom's do - they care first and foremost about maintaining social harmony one way or another. It's ridiculous mental gymnastics used by people who want everything to be related to functions because they're so messed up MBTI has become their world view, it's not grounded in anything. He just uses Ti to argue for it - which he has an expert handle on as he comes off an INTx to some typists. " if you don't want to be treating as a child try to don't act and reason as oneYou spent 1000 words writing out passive-aggressive remarks only to call me emotionally unstable, you sure you doing okay bud. I realize"interwoven connection of meaning" does sound vague enough to be any kind of intuition but if I can find the video it feels very much like the few Ni heavy people I know discussing their creative process and very much how I understand it to be. The only other typing that is even remotely possible is an insanely integrated 4w5. Trying to bound a person's psychological dynamic within the functions system with loops and grips is dumb, especially since they more than anything else seem to just be ways of twisting the theory to allow it to stay in existence without facing contradictions and have no other ground, use and rules than the need to seem right. I voted INTP but I can see why others voted INTJ. He's not an aimless rambler analyst like an xNTP. This is just simplifying it mind you and is a lot more complex than what I'm explaining. also, you said he isn't a 5(w4) in the past, while "not really caring about the already existing theological framework (behind the bible)" is a trait that's VERY heavily correlated with type 5, especially 5w4 which cares about individuality and finding personal ways of doing things, and I'd think being accepted or "worshipped" for finding a way to talk about their insights and debate and debunk others would be any 5s wet dream as opposed to something they wouldn't want at all after using my Ti genius to analyze you thoroughly, I have come to the conclusion that you, sir, are an INTP who's talking shit for kicks. I don't think he'd have the same reception if he were an xNTJ or INTP. ") And he doesn't seem like the kind that would hang onto an unpopular subjective idea that he isn't able to back up with whatever kind of logic he decides to use. That's your teritary Fi, INTJ. ExFJ is your gandma that wants to feed you snacks all the time or the church pastor who wants to use his religious charisma to strengthen the bond in his church. You camethisclose to understanding how Peterson is an Ni dom and you fucked it all up because you were molested my some tumblrite when you were a kid. It defeats the point of having one type. And hedonistic. INFJs are still aux Fe-users, meaning that they focus on people. Peterson sees truth in them through some Ni-Fe justification and thinks Jungian-Campbell mythological archetypes are cross cultural means of expressing ideas and creating lessons regarding the human conditions. Your anti-Te argument is not an argument against him being a type with Te, it is an argument against him being a Te dominant (ExTJ). Something someone on Personality Cafe wrote out to try and create a magical link between Myers Briggs and Jung’s functions. He could be ENFJ but he demonstrates a Ti strong enough to give people the impression he's a Thinker (Te/Ti dom/aux). They don't go hopping around trying to please everyone, but their focus still lies with people. He is a Te user for sure though. I don't think that's the case at all. But it seems to me like their cognitive assumptions and biases are completely different - toward decency and manner (Peet, Fe) and toward truth and effectiveness (Peterson, Te). Over indulgence in senory activities to the point of being irresponsible is conventionally defined as being hedonistic. Peterson's bouts with alcoholism and other unhealthy obsessives acitvities under stress seems like expressions of inferior Se or Peterson under going, as you said, inferior Se grip. He even calls Peterson "lazy" for using their appearence to know pronoun he should use. Please appreciate it. He didn't start hedonistic but became that way. and I sort of ignored the idea of INFJ because at least in a Jungian sense he relies way too much on his "intellect", and perhaps his normal academic work (which I gather is respected enough, and uncontroversial) would be a better example of his extraverted thinking in action. None of this is about “scientific truths” but just logical consistency between how you decide someone’s MBTI type and the means that you use to get there. for as far as I remember you're nearly twice my age and anonymously telling me I'm molested and insane for disagreeing with your position on a public forum, aren't you a big guy The problem with the vagueness of the J/P axis in letter MBTI pretty much makes cognitive functions and letter MBTI mutually exclusive. He also seems to have interst in the works other INFJs like Jung, Piaget, and Solzenitsyn so there's that (I'm not sure about Netizsche). And yeah as far as I'm concerned I do think that sort of figuring where people will fit in the actual MBTI world makes most sense when using MBTI types but that doesn't mean it's not interesting to think about where these people would be classified by someone like Jung or whatever people came up with after him that probably isn't anything like his ideas. He doesn't have any vision. I made that comment to show that above all else Peterson is an Ni dom to clear any misconceptions of him being an xNTP. He's not an aimless rambler analyst like an xNTP. I was using the word Jungian in a broader context to refer to the body of literature and theories that originated from or grew out of Jung’s work — specifically the ones related to typology. Please appareciate it. Inferior Se, because it's less developed than dom/aux/ter Se is most likely manifest unhealthily and therefore be described as hedonistic. You really should see Peterson's lectures. And for those that see Ti, that is not unusual for INTJs, in fact it's pretty common for types to be good at their 5th and 6th function. Free in-depth and practical information on the 16 personality types, including careers and relationships.. He's just making shit up to promote his stupid survivalist stance. Peterson is not. He begins the interview disrespecting Peterson by not taking his position seriously and continuing to be condescending towards him throughout the interview. Now everyone do what they want and in the end, this website is pretty much dedicated to shit. //"There is no correlation between the Big 5 and the Myers-Briggs strong enough for it to "spell something out". You have yet to make a detailed case on Peterson's type. The reason why you think he rambles on is because the video is made from a longer, full length, video where Peterson tries to address many other topics at at once. Go fuck yourself Pseudo-scientist* Thanks for the tip bro to Fi bois anyone not derrida is a pseudo intelllectual He said he took a big five type personality test and scored pretty high on extroversion. Only descriptive. He was always a future driven intellectualbut I think it shows an inferior function when it starts to hinder oneself. Because he is, thinkers have moral concerns too you elitist twat, IxTJs specifically can be very oriented towards "bettering humanity as a whole", more than any feeler, it's not related to Fe. And thus you end up with problems like his Introverted Thinking type being INTJ, his Introverted Intuitive type being INxP, his Introverted Sensation type being IxxP, and his Introverted Feeling type being INFx. The reason why I think Peterson's beliefs specifically show he's an INFJ has to do with the fact he's concerned about the future of Canada and his approach to understanding Canada’s obsession with Socialism/Communism is done out of moral concerns for the people specifically. Functions, loop, and grip theory can reconcile contradicting beheaviors in a type that letter MBTI cannot. They aren't and neither is Peterson. Which is why I don't mind stuff like functions or Enneagram or other non-empirical personality models - they each create their own universe which you can have your fun with, but when it comes to actually saying "I am looking at their cognition" then all these systems which aren't backed up by evidence are pretty useless to me for that task. ISxJs appear submissive but that's a result of their introversion and generally lesser tendency to be assertivebut I've already argued that submissiveness/assertiveness is not necessarily the same thing as being a people pleaser - that's more in a dimension of agreeableness which I've stated before that Peterson does score higher than average on. And if you claim Peterson is an INFJ because he sees that PC culture isn't exactly taking society in a positive direction, then how do you back it up when applying it to other people who share his beliefs. It's me trying address your deficiency in knowledge. I score high on conscientiousness, moderately high on agreeableness (which I take as higher than average) and extremely high on openness, only thing I differ with is my low extroversion score, and I'm not INFJ. I would still type him infj because he definitely seems to view this whole post-modernism as a "disease" and not a normal academic development of things, it's something that is disruptive of the social order which is something that he cares about above even truth, and that's more of a t thing. That is why people have to interpret and analyze not just what people say, but why they say it, what their underlying cognitive biases and goals are, etc. If I get INFJ today then I get ESFP one day then ISTP the other and INTP sometime later, does that mean I am all of those types. Simply speaking, Fe is concerned about satiating the well being of others. He's some kind of INTxHe has too much mercy on religion to be Te, probably a Ti user. I gave you my reasons for what I think, so give me yours or fuck off, you're a brick wall at this point. tl;dr: I really don't think these little differences in philosophical approach have much place in MBTI discussions (even true Jungians would be using a very low-definition classification tool, as most people would be IT or ET types), except to hypothesize correlations, and that's mainly because what MBTI offers isn't inherently a classification system for philosophical approaches, unless you want to bend it around. In common speak (I hope you understand what that means, we're Westerners after all, we're all socially capable individuals - I hope) or when we speak of things in a conventional sense, hedonism is usually associated with indulging in external sensory activities. , thing further to the given material. He scored high in Extroversion - however he associates this with assertiveness and not sociability. Some of his justifications are not even rooted in logic but instead take the form of impassioned moral imperatives. Yeah, you're supposed to acknowledge which functions they have like you're doing there. I think it's pretty obvious which category Peterson falls into. You're not making a definite point. It's usually described as unhealthy alcoholism, partying, raving, etc - it's conventionally described by using sensory activties as examples. Introverts are more reluctant to deny social harmony than extraverts. It spells INFJ, if you take it simply. INFJ seeming like an INTP/J or ISTP). Could be ENTPHis Ti Ne is through the roofThe once-in-a-lifetime INFJ who doesn't happen to be a hard liberal. This is even true when Peterson is speaking about his ethical values (he effectively says “wait a minute, tough-minded truthfulness is a higher form of kindness than kindness”) and when Peet is speaking about practicality (he effectively says “wait a minute, the pronouns solution IS practical because it’s not that hard and it helps you treat trans people with respect”). One can use this debate as a cipher to decode what Peterson means by truth. He can come off as argumentative but his motivation are solely by moral concerns for his people and his Ti is used to argue for and about his concerns. He is probably xnfj. Most people rely heavily on one over the other cause they don't really feel they need it. His refusal to conform to the gender pronoun demands can seem inferior Fe or insterestingly Fi which is why people think he is probably an INTJ or INTP. The MBTI questionnaire sorts people into one of 16 different personality types.. You're leaving lots of open ends. INFJs have auxiliary Fe so I can see how they could score high of assertiveness. dichotomies are for dich suckers How do you net see his Fe. When I look purely at it I think he is just insane and cannot be typed. A good example of someone who he typed as a Ti type who actually is a Ni type is Arthur Schopenhauer (who perhaps-not-so-coincidentally is the same breed of INFJ I believe Peterson is). Something Myers mentioned in the MBTI manual. It’s not even two different theories—there’s MBTI and the infinitely many different interpretations people have for the functions. I don't even have a type in function magic lol. I'm obviously not going to lecture you on who he is or isn't. //"Peterson is not a feeler"//. His analysis of neo-Marxist arguments focus his judgements on the people who make them and the outcomes of their mindset (Ni-Fe). @scotty - ah I see what you are saying. @scotty - You raise some interesting/good points. You don't make sense. MBTI a whole, including letter MBTI, is a dismissed by the psychologists as a big pseudoscience. The same might more or less apply to Ti driven xNTPs if they’re knowledge about economies. This is not "logical" is it, unless you have some weird sort of belief system that younger people have to overcome their overwhelming inferior function or something like that. <- THE MORAL ETHICS OF THE EXTRAVERTED FEELER. If you enjoyed this entry, find out about the personality types of Writers characters list.. IxTJs have teritary Fi that feed into their Te. I'm just asking you to be consistent in the way you type. Welcome to MBTIBase - PersonalityBase, here you can learn about Jordan Peterson MBTI type.. Go to some Jordan Peterson groups online or on any comment sections of his videos. As in this hedonistic drive was too prevalent until he learned how to develop his tertiary function which he then worked on to arrive at where he is at now. Being asertive and being socially interuptive are not the same things. Hedonism is certainly unhealthy. Peterson roundly rejects all of these overtures and plows on unwaveringly with his arguments rooted in logic. Having "moral concerns" of a country's future is not correlated with a cognitive function, that's ridiculous. Even Myers-Briggs practicioners will generally tell you that the test is measuring your “shoes-off” self and not how you are within the context of your lifestyle. //"Am I supposed to realize that caring about a country getting fucked up is some how correlated with a cognitive function. The foundation for the function theory is carl jung. It may seem likes Peet is concerned with moral obligations but given his lack of seriosness and respect towards Peterson, it doesn't seem to be the case. At least letters just measure tendencies for a given time and person. If Peterson took the MBTI test, he probably would test as an INTJ. You have glaring issues with the terminologies you use. I didn't know what gave him a high Extraversion score but if it had to do with Assertiveness only (I'm not sure how that's actually defined), then it's easy to see how that wouldn't carry over to MBTI well. They are extroverted, idealistic, charismatic, outspoken, highly principled and ethical, and usually know how to connect!. He knows the Communist nightmare it could potentially draw Canada into. He wouldn’t need to be a T type to enjoy uncontroversial academic success in this field. Discover Array, and more, famous people, fictional characters and celebrities here!. Annoying* @Ventus about differentiating philosophers, didn't they find their way into the philosophy discipline though. In fact, he is naturally more of an aphoristic moralist than a moral analyst — and you can see that in many of his classroom lectures and talks delivered to like-minded crowds. It is Te dominants who almost invariably utilize objective reality and existing logical data as a foundation. He's an expert communicator but appears to be rambling to everyone who doesn't understand his Ni Vision, of course, and if xNTPs are rambler analysts who never make a point, INFJs are holier-than-thou deluded schizophrenics (hint: they're not). by letter undoubtly to. But in that case can't you just use philosophy lingo to describe their differences, as I see you doing when mentioning aphorisms and whatnot. I'm just asking you to be consistent in the way you type. You gave me many reasons why specific things about my ideas on certain types and functions are "wrong". It's more appropriate for Te types to be concerned about obvious facts and solutions like Peet. Since the MBTI is a psychometric assessment used to approximate one’s cognitive functions (and not a simple behavioristic exam like the Big Five), I don’t think it’s enough to notice that philosophers generally exude NT behavior. get off this website boi Really. I think we've spoken before about this. They don't realize that Ni dom INFJs can appear almost as distant and cold as an INTJs and depeneding on their beliefs and professions and come off as rather disagreeable even if they have auxillary Fe. He knows the Communist nightmare it could potentially draw Canada into. That's why he's such an expert communicator and why his lectures are so enjoyable to watch. Dafuq are you people below me even talkin about. //"And can you really picture an INFJ scoring high on assertiveness. How INTJs and INFJs differ is how they augment these insights. Anyways, letter-wise he's INTJ, function-wise he relies more on introverted thinking than anything else. He was drinking and smoking uncontrollably while trying to get through Grad school so much so if was hindering his career and education. @scotty - To be honest I am willing to concede the possibility that he would score ENTJ on the MBTI test - I was more using that to illustrate that on the surface he resembles a type with Ni and Te (and since I had already argued for introversion, I said INTJ). Peterson is difficult to type because his visible behavior does not resemble his actual “shoes-off” psychometric type. This is the Jungian definition of introversion and it does not matter that his Big Five Extraversion is high because the Big Five is behavioristic and does not automatically correlate to the psychometric definition of Extraversion. If you do it right, people may change their minds. I think he's a T type, Ti or Te, dom or aux, both make more sense than F (dom or aux, Fi-Te or Fe-Ti, know I have to add this or you'll jump on that too) to me. no offense, but Peterson is a totally obvious 1. I feel like using stuff like the presence of aphorisms to type people as F is more of a reaction to the lack of definition MBTI has for being used as a tool to categorize philosophical approaches (let's be honest, almost all these people would get NT, specifically leaning to INTJ in MBTI), so if you want to somehow divide philosophers up into different buckets rather than type them as INTJ, then you have to start creating your own rules artificially for sticking people in groupings that don't even reflect their MBTI type (see: CelebrityTypes/IDRLabs). hedonism in youth suggests. An equally assertive IxFJ is less caring about social harmony relative to an equally assertive ExFJ. His entire way of thinking is just idealism with a rational mask put onto it. Peterson knows right away that submitting to Peets seemingly "Fe" platitudes are not going to do him any good. ExFJs assert their desire to bring people together. You haven't made a single argument for what you think is Peterson's type after I made the comment about Fe doms. He explains how he had strong hedonistic tendencies, problems with alcohol and smoking, even how he had obsessive intellectual pursuits that have taken up most of his life. Matt throws around what he considers to be obvious interpretation of religion and supernatural and Peterson struggles to incorporate that into his own into own argument and goes off into tangents about psychedelics and what not. Well in that case I don't think we can go any further. That the hedonism argument isn't self-masturbatory internet INJs trying to rationalise why they're fat and ugly and somehow Jung himself said it's "inferior Se". And rather than looking at the immense similarities between them, especially compared to a more general population, they instead miss the bigger picture and are left on their little mission to try to type philosophers, scientists, etc. Just look at his bible videos, he definitely appeals to peoples emotions and has very strong fe,but makes you think he is a intj or something. v=v76nSSGpACo. Why do you consistently try to explain the entire theory instead of simply giving your reasons for typing the guy. Those are two different things you have to understand. However, only INFJ accurately describes his underlying cognitive orientation. The choice is yours. ok troll YOU NEED TO CLEAN YOUR FUCKING ROOM BUCKO. Thus if they were both Fe types I would expect to see similarities in their underlying cognitive assumptions, despite their differences on the political spectrum. If an INFJ relies more on comparing and relating different factors than they do on understanding and analyzing people then that means one of three things: either the INFJ is not an INFJ, the whole looping thing (which is probably a load of shit) that would make him nihilistic, neurotic and biased by definition is going into effect or function stacks are just wrong and everything this site is about is a giant fad. Te types on the otherhand are more concerned with the implementing a set of personal objectives based on practical rules (if you will). Contrary, to what you're saying I don't think Peet has any Fe at all. @doodlepoodle - Agreed. On that note, his concern is not really about logical consistency but what is going to be good for the future of Canada. Hahaha you're such an idiot, you can't see his Si hahahah. @Lono so basically you categorized some people as Ni and he reminds you of what they do. If you want to translate that into MBTI you could say he is introverted, an intutive for his openness, a "doer" due to his concientiousness, but also a feeler due to his agreeableness. Kant is a philosopher. Their goal is to create an environement where everyone can be emotionally and morally stable and they do it via Si or Ni (aux functions). On Extraversion — what he said was that his score was high, “although that is mostly Assertiveness” — that implies to me that the rest of his Extraversion score was at best average. He got himself back on track by visualizing a career and future and systematically removing his sensory distractions. Like imagine a rainbow of all people, and most philosophers are the color indigo, but different shades. Cause if so, you're right, I've got some learning to do. You people will find a way to dance your way around any argument made against you using the mental gymnastics of a tumblr kid, claiming shit like "hedonism is inferior Se", as if INxJs are the only types to be able to be hedonistic when things don't go their way, or judgers are even more likely than perceivers to give into hedonistic tendencies (again, explain this). “T,” they utilize a reasoning style that is more like the INTP’s reasoning style than the INTJ’s. ” comments. It doesn't proof anything and I'm sorry to tell you but 'ad hominems' are as much used for idiots as by idiots. In most cases Fe doms are the ones conducting a social scene. Philosophers have theories. This is why Peterson is an FJ. It's associated with Extroversion and given his ability as an expert communicator you can see why. Shut the fuck up with overly dogmatic faith in dichotomies, a mix of both function and dichotomy is probably the best. How did you rediscover the site in its new incarnation. I cannot equally be the warm and wise INFJ and be the cold and socially-retarded INTP or the party animal ESFP at the same time. But there are different descriptions for different types. Depending on your interpretation of Jungian typology and the body of evidence you are working from, you could reasonably type him as INFJ, INTP, and INTJ. Here you can explore of famous people and fictional characters.. Give me something you can back up, assess his behavior, explain to me why how he acts fits into an F type in a way you can prove it, without relying on your own fantasy view of him or pointing to things behind the curtains that aren't there. His crusade against non-gender pronouns isn't actually a result of not wanting to be conform due to inferior Fe or impeding agianst his values of an Fi but very an Ni-Fe drive to protect Canada from what he envisions as a terrible Marxist dystopia in it's future. Te users are usually driven to win the debate sometimes at any cost. INFJ by functions, INTP by dichotomy "He's demonstrated a pretty hardcore Ti and is one of the reasons why his lectures are so enjoyable. The imperatives you speak of sound more like an unconscious pull involving low-level Feeling alongside an influence from the "subjective factor" and "primordial image/archetypes" that Jung talks about, than an actual Feeling preference. INTPs are well known for their brilliant theories and unrelenting logic, which makes sense since they are arguably the most logical minded of all the personality types.. It's a good thing to be able to differentiate from common tendencies of certain the functions and stacks of MBTI types and how they manifest in the behavior of real life individuals. Peterson described his troubles through college causing him stress out and begin acholism and other unhealthy Se activites. INFJ has a laid-back and submissive temperament, IxFJ has the most socially submissive and cooperative temperament of any of the 16 types. I always try to strip away the “of course they would be like that” T traits from disciplines like science and philosophy — just as I try to strip away the “of course they would be like that” F traits from disciplines like art and counseling. He's anything but an easy person to type. //"Introverts are more reluctant to deny social harmony than extraverts in the first place, this as been empirically backed by studies. It makes the most logical sense when you consider his work, motivations, and tendencies as a whole. Explain yourself instead of treating me like a fucking child you rambling moron. Given their conciously people pleasing nature and being not as extraverted as their ExFJ counter parts they would come off as the most submissive types of MBTI. I think there was another where Peterson explains how he's surprised that so many of viewers are young men. I think everyone here knows that about MBTI and I've acknowledged it once before, again in this post, and again right now. Peterson not being an Fe dom just says he's not an ExFJ. So I don't know. @Zeego - a combination of very busy and thinking P-D had been rendered an utter wreck because of trolling. I'm trying to fix that. Which would make some sense, but with the Extraverted Thinking type I think you're getting a better fit. v=v76nSSGpACo He has a donate feature in his website HAHe's completely idealistic. Peterson's bouts with alcoholism and other unhealthy obsessives acitvities under stress seems like expressions of inferior Se or Peterson under going, as you said, inferior Se grip. No, inferior functions are repressed, unhealthy INxJs deny the present moment and live in their heads, you're describing the "Se grip" which is a circle-jerked phenomenon used to excuse the most overrated types having Se in a baby position so they can blame their flaws on it or can tell you shit like "hey we can be violent too. Really wanna hear the reasoning behind typing him as a 1. He's obsessed with symbolism and meaning. You observed Peterson being disagreeable and assumed that makes him a "Thinker" (or a type with Te/Ti in their dom/aux position). If you want scientific truths don't look at mbti. High in openness, neuroticism, conscientiousness and, as an intersting surprise, "above-average" in agreeableness. I understand that typing systems can have overlaps and one type isn't going to perfectly translate into an equivalent type on another system. The problem is simply trying to type people you don’t know requires you to work off of limited data sets and utilize a lot of induction and inference. However, in the real world, IxFJs are capable of combativeness and disagreeableness if they mature and develop their Fe and Se/Ne along with their Ti - like INFJ Peterson or (maybe) ISFJ Roger Scruton. His sample size is dreadful and watching Nardi’s videos, I think it’s clear that he is biased in wanting to prove the existence of the functions. *more of a f thing*dammit The problem with disscerning whether Peterson is an INFJ or not has to do with the inability for common typists to understand how Jungian functions might manifest in real life beahvior and so most are left with bare bones logical descriptions to argue on about. If you want some shadow of 'grounding' for function theory look at dario nardis work, from what i know it tries to have evidence of functions through brain scans and how different mbtis have different areas of the brain light up accordingly. org it explicitly states to not equate introversion with shyness or reclusiveness. As for the emotional appeals, that is simply an argument against being an inferior F_ type (IxTP or ExTJ). //"I gave you my reasons for what I think"//. Peterson is essentially on the attack that's why he's gets as agitated and logical as he does. Ironically if that was your only data point, you *would* classify Peterson as a “vessel of pain and emotion” even if you were going off of simplistic stereotypes. That said, Fe doms are first and foremost concerned with creating social harmony. He's "not doing it" because he sees where the law is going to go when he gradually begin to give up parts of our rights to free speech. For someone driven enough to consider a politcal career and had worked for the NDP party in Canada in his teenage years (he left by18) Peterson's seemingly uncharacteristic lack of control during stressful times and in indulgence in sensory activites seems to indicate he has inferior Se and thus has to have dominant Ni. lol bruh stop using enneageam Granted, I will say Peterson won the debate. Wouldn't it make more sense to type him as something like Ji-Se-Ni-Je in that case. neither does accusing me of being insane you blithering idiot Oracle, which transgender professer interviewer were you speaking about. It might be because you've already failed trying to assert your position and failed and fighting back will only damage your reputation (if you're a Te-Fi or any other Thinking type for example). I went into this in more detail above. It's as if Fe is superior to his Ti but his Ti is strong enough that it's not an inferior function but it's still under his Fe. He clearly demonstrates Fe and Ti given how much he tries to validate Dilahunty's world view before trying to break it down on his own. No offense to Mr. Teru, you don't really understand functions. You can clearly see Peterson's Ti poke hole at it. you're an idiot no u //"Why do you try to explain the entire theory instead of simply your reasons for typing the guy. It shows how assertiveness for Extraverts can be interuptive/disruptive or condcutive depending on whether an ExFJ has Fe or Te. //"There is no correlation between the Big 5 and the Myers-Briggs strong enough for it to "spell something out". Please appreciate it. I have seen a clip where he debates a transgender professor on the pronouns issue and the professor actually attempts to build emotional bridges with him and appeals to his sense of sympathy/ethics/properness. MBTI is MBTI and the various function theories people use aren’tirrefutably about MBTI. He has just cuestioned the whole concept of intelligence with that stament but he doesn´t realice that. I'm telling you to fuck off because you can't type worth shit. I don't understand the big hard on about them. He get's pretty passionate about it and you can really see his Fe come out facially – and it’s not self-expressive like an Fi type but more communicative, accusing, and purposefully subtle like an Fe type might otherwise would. I don’t see how this doesn’t describe Jordan Peterson perfectly. And the rest of your crap just makes you sound like you're worshipping his "depth" and you think that only INJs can be "deep", whatever that even means, as if ENTJs couldn't do the same thing, especially when they have a rabid fanbase gobbling up whatever they are thrown. But as I saw more of him, I noticed several inconsistencies with the (I)NTJ hypothesis, which I outlined and addressed above. He is clearly a Si dom who makes gullible people think he's sooo smart, and maybe he truly is but at the end of the day he is just an intellectualy fraudolent 6w5 isxj that just makes shit up. They're very analytical and goes from point to point. Also Peterson’s high Big Five Extraversion is mostly due to Assertiveness and not the other traits associated with MBTI E types. This personality type is highly individualistic and Champions strive toward creating their own methods, looks, actions, habits, and ideas!. Anoying psuedo-scientist which appears a lot wiser than he actually is First of all, I have to address a few misconceptions. And if you're using Jung as your basis and saying he's an introvert, he'd have to be a rational and thus Introverted Thinking type would be the best fit. He plays on the emotions too much to be intx. The argument that INFJs Ti is somehow as "strong" as that of an xxTP's or will appear (as) objective and cold is, again, a circle-jerked fad, the only people who claim this are mistyped INTPs on online fora or INFJs who overhype themselves, it's not a thing, no matter how ridiculous it sounds, the typology community is full of self-hyping heaps of shit. Your ego is not your Ni. A Te aux or dom type is more likely to analyze the short comings of Communism/Socialism as an inadequate economic system but wouldn’t dabble much on it’s moral short comings like Peterson does almost all the time. You have yet to make a detailed case on Peterson's type. And that's what he was doing for decades before he turned into a Youtube celebrity. He calls them "dangerous" and proposes the outcomes of implementing Communism in the saintly fashion that they think they would. Lower Ne is more likely to manifest in supersitious beliefs or unrealistically wild ambitions. I explained he is being disagreeable out of moral concerns for his country that makes him a feeler - or INFJ specicially if you go by functions. Again, not necessarily. INFJ has a laid back and submissive temperment, IxFJ has the most socially submissive and cooperative temperment of the 16 types. Your analysis of E types (not ENFJs since you didn't consider functions) is based off the general assertive nature of extraverts and you confusion of assertiveness with social disruptiveness and concluding the same would apply to all E types regardless of function dynamics. I agree that he plays on emotions more than the average INTJ, but INTJs have tertiary Fi and thus it is not beyond them to utilize pathos in their argumentation style. For example, he says that emotional intelligence is not an intelligence because you could have an intelligent person who is bad with people. It's not semanitcs. The pressures of school started to deeply affect him and a life of partying numbed him and made him unhealthy. yes I'm obviously an ISTJ because it's in my bio, go and accuse me of missing the bigger picture some more because that's a trait that's related to SJs and you're clearly offending me with that one (because I'm an SJ). On the other desire for social harmony or Fe is associated with Agreeableness which Peterson scores above average on (for a man). Loyal to their peers and to their internal value systems, but not overly concerned with respecting laws and rules if they get in the way of getting something done. Detached and analytical, they excel at finding solutions to practical problems.. I had not settled on a type I simply gave what I believed to be the most logical. be/v76nSSGpACo yeah the more i think about him the more he reminds me of the enfj I know. And "interwoven connection of meaning" just sounds like using intuition in general, not a specific kind of it. They want to bring people together or create a harmonious or morally good society. Why don't you lay down some reasons instead of calling everyone but you a retard. I have seen him wax poetic about victimhood, purpose, ethics, religion, and other topics without using any logic whatsoever. In fact when Harris noticed this, he spent the rest of the debate trying to convince Peterson to adopt a more rational conception of truth. It's like an intelligence ego boost for them even though they've produced nothing of value. i don't know why some people can believe he is a Te aux or even a thinker. Most of what you say can be applied perfectly to Peterson but doesn't really hold up if you apply it to anyone but him. Peterson sees that Peet is refering to "kindness and decency" but sees it be a mask and says "kindness is the excsue social justice warriors use to exercise controll over what other people think and say". Abed Nadyr from Community) and still being highly intelligent. (re: Comment 2). I also really don’t like the “mix the two theories together” approach. And he has developed this cult of personality that no 5w4 (known as iconoclast for gods sake. //"I gave you my reasons for what I think"//. Introverts are more reluctant to deny social harmony than extroverts in the first place, this has been empirically backed by studies. Dario Nardi’s work shouldn’t be taken seriously. He's "not doing it" because he sees where the law is going to go when he gradually begin to give up parts of our rights to free speech. I know it's not a 1 to 1 match but ENTJ is a way better guess than INTP based on "INTPs you know". When I do that to Peterson, he definitely appears to be an F/Fe type. Even in function models though, why would someone start from their inferior function and work backwards. On this basis specifically and in accoradance to MBTI functions, the presence of Extraverted Sensing, or Se, would explain why. Are you an Se/Ni or Ne/Si user. be/SiijS_9hPkM is the one I was thinking of. He sees it as some sort of truth instead of an interesting appraoch to reality that an Ne user might demonstrate. You have glaring issues with your MBTI typings. An INTP would get stuck in his Ti-Ne theories and wouldn't be nearly as good as Peterson when trying to explain them even if they were the same age. INFJs use teriary Ti to operate when Ni and Fe aren't doing to the job. He's future-oriented and obviously an introverted thinker, but where's his auxiliary function. Look up anything he does on Marxism or Communism and you'll definitely see his Fe shine through. He might as well be an ISTP since you think he's not a feeler and has problems with hedonism. In addition, his definition of truth is by no means a traditional definition of truth. Even if not directly tested, public voting can provide good accuracy regarding Jordan Peterson Myers-Briggs and personality type!. Fi types in particular would be very averse to believing that human beings are inherently more similar than they'd let on, given they're so invested in individualism. It's a pretty good example of his Fe coming and being served by his Ti when he tries to deconstruct the intentions of people. //"or judgers are more likely than percievers to give into hedonistic tendencies"//. When I first found out about him I thought he was an xNTJ too, so I definitely could see why you (and others who haven’t seen that many videos of him) would perceive him as a NT type. Hedonism is unhealthy expressions of Se. INFJs are frequently among the most social introverts so it fits. What a gay ass debate you guys are having about this individual who I struggle to find something interesting. "Explain yourself instead of treating me like a fucking child you rambling moron. Keep in mind he has a very high IQ and has been in academia for decades; any person with those traits would be proficient in logic. It’s of particular note because the transgender professor (Peet) approaches the interview in the way a typical Fe type would. So why does he also resemble an INTP in ways. If all you can tell me is to "delve deeper into his stuff" and "look at the bigger picture" without giving me anything you can back up, what am I supposed to find there. In Peterson’s case much of the evidence I have to work with comes from his interviews about psychology and philosophical ideology, so I have to parse through that and work with it. It's not enough. "I think his obsession with phenomenology, Jungian archetypes, and mythicism is a pretty good indicator that he's an Ni dom. (I already wrote a comment sort of like this but whatever) you and other people associate him with "Fe" because of his "cult following" and other stereotyped associations and not because he shows any identifiable traits of a strong (extroverted) feeler, if he doesn't fit into Te neither does he fit into Fe, and since when are T types incapable of rambling. I actually agree with you on your problem with saying “Schopenhauer is actually a Ni type” — I was not being sufficiently precise with my language there. Do you how to differentiate it from Te. First of all, it's a very complex topic and Peterson actually had to make a series of two hour long videos on YouTube dedicated explaining God and the Bible in his Jungian-Campbell mythological way. Capacity for Extroversion will determine whether you're driven by an introverted or extroverted function, Openness will determine whether you're a sensor or intuitive, Conscientiousness to determine if you have an extroverted judging function in your dom or aux stack, and Agreeableness determines if you have an Fe-Ti stack or Te-Fi stack. but "having a subjective buffer between yourself and reality" isn't asked for on the MBTI test at all with regards to E/I. And intellect doesn’t necessarily equal Thinking. This is maybe the first time I’ve heard of people connecting function stacks to Big 5 traits and you’ve done it in such a way that makes me feel skeptical of how you’ve personally reconciled the relationship between Big 5 traits and the functions, so would you care to explain where you’ve drawn out your claims from. Can you believe this guy. An INFJ, being an auxiliary Fe type, would at least acknowledge the professor’s attempts to build bridges and then would word his rebuttal in a manner that soothes or addresses those concerns. Since INTJs have auxiliary Te, they supplement and analyze their convergent and subjective abstract insights using marshaled and direct objective rationales. He also have the tendency to being highly argumentative which looks more like Te to me. His combativeness driven by his moral concern is an example of a strong Fe being fed by a strong Ti but being lead by a strong Ni. The fact that you specify his letters means you probably don't type by functions so we're already looking at this from two differing viewpoints. Being hedonistic during youth could only suggest Pe-dom in the model, not Pe in the inferior position. Peets intentions are not genuine. Just wanna know because given the circumstances I can make an argument or two where an INFJ could react the way he did. His 'ideology' is Fi + Te. ENFJ, being an extroverted judger, is more likely to interrupt social gatherings to forward themselves than an INFJ is. So your argument is that others are retard for not thinking like you. Not saying that he´s bad or stupid, I like him a lot, I think he is very interesting and very smart but his logic doesn´t look like proper logic to me. I think everyone here knows that about MBTI and I've acknowledged it once before, again in this post, and again right now. On the contrary, Peet is not at all trying to build bridges Petersonat all. He's demonstrated a pretty hardcore Ti and is one of the reasons why his lectures are so enjoyable. He basically uses arguments from biology that are all twisted to fit his dumb vision, uses his retarded lobster argument (deleuze would be ashamed) to show that there is a "hierarchy" in the animal kingdom that somehow is the same as humans. INFJ by function undoubtly. Despite the abstract and idiosyncratic nature of his viewpoints, when someone asks him to justify them he utilizes factual information and justifications founded upon logical standards, and does not attempt to build empathic bridges with his questioners. look I appreciate the love letter but I feel like this was way too nitpicky right off the bat, I can see a lot of your arguments but I really don't know how any of them would be reserved to specifically INFJ. I'm not gonna deal with Fe and ExFJ and the Extraverted thing. nah he's INFJ because he analyzes people and reads jung Yeah, explain how he's high in Extraversion and Conscientiousness in Big 5 but somehow he's obviously I and P in MBTI. He doesn't ramble on. What is the best option for the MBTI type of Jordan Peterson? What about enneagram and other personality types?. Check this video out where he tries to analyze neo-Marxists fallacies on Communism. Those traits would be described as occuring when the person in under stress or is having diffuclty operating with higher and healthier functions. What are you talking about. And you're doing it again. As for your comments about differentiating philosophers, I guess we are approaching typology differently. I'm trying to fix that. The other thing I’ll say is I actually agree with you about typing people as human beings and not as examples of their profession. But I haven’t enountered one. I gave my reasons before ever even talking to you, simple or not I don't care, he's not a feeler because in MBTI terms he's not an F and in function terms he's not an auxiliary extraverted feeler, don't deny that I said this or tell me I need to fully type him, I don't fucking have to, you're the one convincing me, and I said literally all of this in my original comment, you've resorted to insulting me instead of giving me the shit I asked for more than a fucking week ago, there is no arguing with you, I'm done here man @fg I'm sorry but I'm afraid you're in the grip of your inferior function so I don't have to listen to you, wish there was something I could do :/ Teru I'm sorry but I'm afraid you're in the grip of your inferior brain so I don't have to listen to you, wish there was something I could do :/ooga booga booga french people smell "ooga booga booga french people smell"if you don't want to be treating as a child try to don't act and reason as onewow fg, great constructive criticism, keep it up, proud of you. Specifically INFJ since his other functions are dominant Ni and inferior Se. INTx would make him incapable of holding a stance against gender pronouns for reasons other than "not wanting to conform due to inferior Fe" or "defending his personal values due to Fi" but INFJ would make him Canada's national superhero, of course dude. If we're saying people like Peterson, Schopenhauer, Wittgenstein, and Bohr are "INFJs" that's fine (outside of the nomenclature which is counterintuitive imo) for a single-purposed classification system geared toward philosophers and scientists. On this basis specifically and in accoradance to MBTI functions, the presence of Extraverted Sensing, or Se, would explain why. He doesn't want his home country to be dragged into a Communist nightmare that's why he's battling the left up here in Canada. Stop talking about them. This is why most INTJs deny the subjectivity of their viewpoints and seem to live life by pragmatic logical standards, yet at the same time exhibit underlying signs of idiosyncratic personal idea-subjectivity. He cares more about the fact he thinks it's a deeply nihilistic system masquerading as a compassionate one to manipulate people into a tyrannical government so the rulers can express their resentment onto them in whatever way they wish (Fe). It's about, as strawberry said, "just logial consistency between how you decide someone's MBTI type and the means you use to get there". Although, of course, there would be some expected correlation between the two. Whatever his type is, he's playing an enenagram 1. At best they're pobably going to refer to the overly sensationalized descriptions of INFJs from letter MBTI test sties where INFJs are described as "misunderstood vessels of pain and emotion" - like a deified INFP. He can come off as argumentative but his motivation are solely by moral concerns for his people and his Ti is used to argue for and about his concerns. A lot of it really fits into the 5's integration and disintegration. If anything it may show up in N/S (where being more subjective = N). It reminds me of dostoyevsky (another infj) whose life work was in bare terms to fight against the demon of nihilism that plagued russia and strongly disrupted the social order, his work is in fact critiqued by many intx for being too ideologically driven, which is also something that people are doing nowadays with peterson. #GETSORTED I agree with you but apparently he got high on openness, extraversion and conscientiousness in Big 5, and above average agreeableness for a man. Jung used the words "concrete" and "abstract" to describe E and I respectively, but then MBTI asks "solid" vs "abstract" as an S vs N question. So I understand perfectly why people think he's an INTP or INTJ. The interwoven connection of meaning is indicative of heavy Ni use. They'd reject the values of Jungian archetypes right away. The one true type shit is dumb. seconded, I would agree with INTx but it's definitely not obvious It's obvious to me because he reminds me of so many other INTPs and of no other type. Before stating the fact that loop/grip theories aren't real I'll remind that MBTI as a whole is rejected by psychologists. Lower Ne is more likely to manifest in supersitious beliefs or unrealistically wild ambitions. His Fe is maybe higher than even infj, too much of a showman to be a heavy introvert inxx. It is absolutely true that Jung himself classified most complex abstract intellectual thinkers as T (especially Ti) types. An interesting criticism I've seen for of a lot of his supporters is that they're trying to worship Peterson as a hero but more interestingly see him as a surrogate father figure for they never had one when growing up (keep in mind this is the case for millennial Westerners). Probably 1w2 but I'm not sure about that. All you can back up in this entire mess of an analysis is that "Fe users are concerned with harmony" which Peterson isn't, and that "Te types are concerned with implementing a set of personal objectives based on practical rules", which doesn't even apply to his type, since you're not using it to argue for it. He had to summarize his beliefs by saying "I act as if God exists" to cut across the complexities of the intentions and lesser understandings of atheists and agnostics who might try to use his belief in God to discredit him. I would be interested in reading how you see auxiliary Fe in this interview as well as if you have seen other interviews where his alleged INFJness is clear. Your lack of confidence indicates you don't know what you're talking about. Capacity for Extroversion will determine whether you're driven by an introverted or extroverted function, Openness will determine whether you're a sensor or intuitive, Conscientiousness to determine if you have an extroverted judging function in your dom or aux stack, and Agreeableness determines if you have an Fe-Ti stack or Te-Fi stack. Okay brilliant, so we're seeing something that helps identify which way the letters are - here, you're basically saying you like to project how you imagine an idea might play out into the future (N) - evaluate it's efficiency/effectiveness (I'd like to know according to what, exactly. We can see this in his his concern for Canada being driven solely about it's moral decay in the future. That said, he is quite proficient with logic and argumentation when he needs to be — but he uses logic to buttress his ethical perceptions more than to construct them. He has no reason to build bridges with that's why he sticks to coldly analyzing his arguments and stating his point of view. Again you need brush up on your functions. Since they are debating decisions (which uses the T/F axis) and are not primarily interpreting, differences between introversion and extroversion would not play a significant part here. You'e not looking at the bigger picture and neither are you demonstrating an understanding of function dynamics. And why is a scalar “agreeableness” facet indicative of a dichotomous “Te/Fi” or “Fe/Ti” preference. How can I do that when you yourself are rambling on about people who adhere to "tumblr" theories about MBTI functions are deluded retards. I still would expect him to test INTJ but it really doesn’t matter within the broader context of what I was trying to say. The only sensible typing of Peterson in this case is Ni-Fe-Ti-Se INFJ. Please appreciate it. Is he not careful to avoid presenting things that may lose him some of his following. Peet's agression put Peterson in a bad position so his auxillary Fe is less expressive than it should be and this Ti takes over. You're using hoping back and forth from MBTI functions, MBTI letters, and non-MBTI sociological studies. Peterson's biggest mistake in debates is that he expects his opponents to grasp his otherwise abstract and complex (Ni) ideas in regards to God and religion - something most atheists like Harris and Dilahunty don't have the patience for. Disclaimer: I've seen a lot more of people talking about him than actually what he says first-hand. (re: Comment 1). You pick my words to twist and flip them around, the only thing you're arguing here is semantics. You can see it in his lectures. I wouldn’t be surprised if he cherrypicked his data to draw conclusions in favor of the idea that functions are literal processes in the brain. Peterson does not even attempt this, or if he does, he does not do a good job. Also, Peterson himself doesn't actually approve of MBTI. The reason why Peterson is not an extravert despite his relatively high Big Five Extraversion is because he does not fit the Jungian/MBTI definition of extraversion. That way you can have actual conversations with other people without losing your shit at the fact they can't understand. Yes He is a very complex individual, but when you look purely at his “shoes-off” self, I can’t see any type but INFJ. His combativeness driven by his moral concern is an example of a strong Fe being fed by a strong Ti but being lead by a strong Ni. He is obviously an INTP. They can be assertive given their competence with Fe but thatis not the same thing as disrupting a social scene (or interupt as you said). Again if you look his analysis of is heavily based upon Fe judgement and Ni projection of outcomes. This is the best way to type someone, and you could reach this conclusion with the use of reason. //"If an INFJ relies more on comparing and relating different factors than they do on understanding and analyzing people then that means one of three things: either the INFJ is not an INFJ,"//. Are you an idiot. They would actually ramble on about the technicalities of their ideas than explain the most important ones and getting to the gist of them like Peterson does. Dilahunty's a clear example of a Te user (I've seen him typed ENTJ). //"Explain yourself instead of treating me like a fucking child you rambling moron. HAHAHA Ventus where were you this whole time. How does Fe even have a role in your argument. Being an agnostic doesn't make you a Ni-dom and neither does this almost stereotypical INTP behavior. Regarding the MBTI questions you can read them yourself and see if you think there are these hidden methods of trying to measure Jungian concepts. Maintaining social harmony is almost exclusively associated with Fe dom/aux types. A sizable percentage of them are morally aphoristic and a few of them adopt explicitly Fe attitudes even when a T-like answer would have been perfectly legitimate. You can see it in the link >https://www. @admin Why would he score I on the MBTI test. Yes I type by letters and think that ISxP is as far from reality as you can get but I'm just trying to piece together how you view functions and I really don't even get how the hedonism thing would work. They are first and foremost concerned about completing their agenda due to Fi-Te and are more likely to, as you said, interupt social harmony as they do't have Fe and want to satiate their own personal Fi feelings and desires. First two would make roughly every user on this site Ni-dominant, andwatch this video of him explaining his stance towards religion (which I'm assuming is what you meant with mythicism), dude keeps rambling on going off on tangents and questioning what he says as he's saying it, never really arriving at a point etc (he does this often). He looks more like a Ni dom to me, he has insights and knows a lot of cool stuff about the things he studies but his logic seems cuestionable at least. As for submissiveness, that has more to do with the inability to assert oneself and not necessarily caring to please someone else. It's has all the indicators inferior Se manifesting as it comes out during stressful times and shows up as unhealthy habits. I'm trying to enlighten you with my Ni-Fe magic goodness about your emotional issues. Everything he talks about screams Ni Dom. Stop with this. His Fe is skilled enough for effective communication otherwise his lectures wouldn't as engaging as they are. It’s not as simple as he’s intellectualizing his ethical beliefs. Inferior Se, because it's less developed than dom/aux/ter Se is most likely manifest unhealthily and therefore be described as hedonistic. I don't see the ponderous and contemplative energy of an Enneagram 5 in any way whatsoever. It makes the theory more consistent under different applications. Te and Fe aux is harder to figure out but he's a good orator and surprisinglysocial which suggests Fe. Peterson is not hedonistic - he just had troubles with hedonism earlier in his life when college stress got to him. IxTPs have inferior Fe they want to brush over being socially caring and repress it since it's an inferior function. It's your loss. His hedonism in his youth although suggest inferior Se. You'll understand why people enjoy them so much. It's a complicated phenomenon and you can't associate it with a single set of MBTI types. I'm genuinely interested now. Functions aren't grounded in anything, there is this one part of MBTI however that is, has been polled and has actually been tested on, GEE GOLLY I WONDER WHAT IT IS. Peterson is clearly not an Fe-dom as he's doesn't have as much problem with breaking it, however,that means he could be Fe-aux, tert, or inferior. It spells INFJ, if you take it simply. As for intellect and Thinking, this is more of Jung's idea. It's as if you don't really get the difference at all. Because you don't understand how to categorize human behavior and nor do you know how to corrleate MBTI to human traits and other tendencies (granted, I know it's pseudoscience). People can share Peterson's beliefs but believe in them differently. Look at the bible videos, he does not really care about the already existing theological framework behind the bible, the content that comes out of his mouth when he talks about it is almost completely separated from the work. I understand why you think you're not an INFJ but that also why I asked you explain to me why you think you should be labelled an ISTJ. ” These aren’t related to anything “the functions” dictate, or else there would be a relationship between “F+J” and “T+P” with agreeableness and “F+P” and “T+J” with the absence of agreeableness. Is he an "INTJ with Ti well-developed". Even if he is best described as a Jungian IT type he would get ENTJ on a test. It's has all the indicators inferior Se manifesting as it comes out during stressful times and shows up as unhealthy habits. fuck u for making me write all of this tho here's a meme. You go around typing everyone you remotely like or agree with as an INFJ, stop the self-masturbation and lay out your reasonsOh yeah, given his approach to the whole gender scenario he seems comes of a pretty disagreeable thinker. But what I am certain of is that Peterson subjects reality to his impressions before projecting his impressions on reality, which is a receptive-before-projective attitude that would most likely lead to him scoring “I” on all the questions pertaining to broad sociability and ability to start and carry conversations. This man has absolutely no Te, he literally just projects all his stupid shit theories into whatever his object of discourse is. Are you an idiot. He's "not doing it" because he sees where the law is going to go when he gradually begin to give up parts of our rights to free speech. Because INFJs have auxiliary Fe and unrepressed Ti, they actually are masters at wording their views in a manner that keeps them relatively intact while also soothing the listener. On the contrary, Peet is concerned with being pragmatic while using morality as a mask whereas Peterson sticks to his Ni (ideals and conseuquenes) of how people ought to act (truth over kindness). That I'm supposed to deny studies in favor of your semantics that (actually) don't consistently stick to anything because you said so. You are in the best place to test MBTI and learn what type Jordan Peterson likely is!. I've seen him do a few more and his coldness seems to be constant reaction that he throws towards them specificially. Okay so this is an absolute boat load of tribe validation - whether it's due to being a saviour or demon, I'm unsure, not really enough information to gauge. Find the video and you'll see a heavy Ni process most likely Dom. There are aggressive Fe types and placid Te types (I’m actually an example of the latter). ExTPs are more Fe driven than Ti dom IxTPs but they're still no where as much concerned with social harmony than FJs. He cannot look outside of the current world perspective, or imagine a different reality than the current one. I don't see why an INFJ can't do both especially given their Fe is closer to their Ti given their aux-tertiary positioning. That probably was the source of the confusion. We can see this in his debate with Sam Harris — Harris employs a traditional definition of truth while Peterson employs a more ethic driven and subjective definition of truth. Otherwise he's as collected as a judger would be. Anti-communist sentiments can done by many types of individuals, in particular by more conservative SJ types but also other NT or SP types as well (the least by Fi dom or aux types). He will *always* enunciate his points when explaining something and will try to explain enough of the technical details of the topic to give you a good idea of what he's saying or at least get you interested. He sees what the university intellectuals and government officials want to do with restricting free speech and he's simply putting his foot down to do what is thinks is in the best interest of Canadians. It can even seem at times as if Peterson is rambling if one doesn't understand the context he's speaking about, but also very it's step by step because Peterson's other goal is also to be an expert communicator (as he thinks Universities should be place where people come to train their ability to voice their opinions). This might be loose ground to go on but I'd say his capacity to appeal to a mass of people through his charisma and inspire them enough to take on moral tasks is something exclusive to Ni and Fe driven xNFJs (xNFPs would inspiring but they would be more obnoxious if not pretentious for their Fi). He is far more interested in pointing out how Peterson doesn't follow the obvious solutions to the problem of trans pronouns like using a smartphone with coded pronouns and not recognizing that we obviously ought to be nice to others. Is this guy really a Ti dom. I don't see F/high Fe because repeatedly denying social harmony in favor of logical consistency does not fit into F/high Fe, nor does hedonism say inferior Se (though please do try to rationalise that in a way that actually holds up), that's the end of it You guys are such retards. Peterson’s a Jungian introvert so I assume he would score as one on a Jungian type test such as the MBTI. MBTI at this point mainly cites its psychometric credibility statistically in terms of predictive value, test-retest reliability, etc. He also is very argumentative and blunt and does not seem to be concerned with tact. Se aux or dom types are likely to do it, sure, but because they have healthier control over thier Se they're likely to put it to use for something productive or healthy like playing sports, outdoor activities that are productive or starting a career in a physcially engaging job like construction or landscaping. Stick to letter MBTI and ennegram. He could be ENFJ but he demonstrates a Ti strong enough to give people the impression he's a Thinker (Te/Ti dom/aux). grips aren't real. As for your argument about his academic work, he is a psychologist which is a field in which NF types often excel. It can a little difficult to get a read on Peterson if you aren't acquainted with his topics because you can miss his Fe which he keeps under wraps due to his academic position and expresses Ti most of the time – in particular when confronting people he doesn't like (pronoun advocates, communists, etc) which is how most people get to know him. In terms of the Big 5, I score extremely similar to Peterson (and my girlfriend, who's an actual INFJ), does that make me an INFJ. Because since INFJs have Ti and not Te, when they attempt to be more logical, i. If those studies included their findings and described them in accordance to MBTI functions you would probably end up with results akin to what I'm describing (but of couse MBTI and congitive functions are pseudosciences so it never would). An Si driven ISFJ might think badly of it because it opposes their traditionally religious lives. //"What are you talking about. Not to mention this involves typing their philosophical approach rather than the actual people as human beings which is certainly something that MBTI authorities would not consider to be a legitimate use of MBTI. You were wrong. Specifically INFJ since his other functions are dominant Ni and inferior Se. //"How does Fe even have a role in your argument. Their debate is a good example of higher Te and lower Ti clashing. //" and watch this video of him explaining his stance towards religion (which I'm assuming is what you meant with mythicism), dude keeps rambling on going off on tangents and questioning"//. Okay, but you could argue exactly the same about saying that math intelligence is not an intelligence because you can have someone who sucks at it (i. You're even worse than that dishonest little bastard Chaotic. And can you really picture an INFJ scoring high on assertiveness. If you want to reduce MBTI into simple horoscope fun and relegate it to letter MBTI then be my guest. They're very analytical and goes from point to point. ENFJs are more likely to interrupt social gatherings than INFJs, ENTJs are more likely to do so than INTJs, nothing of what you said changes that. However, the MBTI test (while not asking about that directly) structures its questions to test for Jungian introversion - not shyness or reclusiveness. You speak like these traits necessitate a particular outcome with unrelated traits with any particular correlation below 1, a leap which would transcend empirical data and create a link without any real theoretical reasoning to back it up—unless you have any. You just said yourself that the INFJ typing is only based on how you perceive his motivations, there is no way you can point to an observable Fe trait that's an actual Fe trait, such as preferring harmony, being friendly and empathetic, wanting to be liked, preferring emotional or group values over objectivity, etc (fourth time I'm saying this and asking you to point me to either one of these traits. He pretty much is. as something other than NT, especially when it makes them feel like they are looking at things "deeper" and "more nuanced" than MBTI. You do this everything I try to explain some about MBTI functions how it can relate it to Peterson's type. He, like most ideological advocates of "trans-rights" are referring to "kindness, tolerance, and decency" to try and guilt-trip people into adhereing to trans-pronouns laws. There's a video of a sculpture he made and the amount of depth behind something as simple as a piece of art he made for fun is staggering. You gave me many reasons why specific things about my ideas on certain types and functions are "wrong". Ok I'm sorry for the attacks. There’s also the problem of people working off of limited data sets. There's a difference I'm hoping you'll catch on to here. Why would i watch videos of this guy blabbering on about the bible when i could look at actual bible scholarship. You forgot this piece of my comment when you were making your response. I should also point out I'm not a particular fan of his and I disagree with a lot of his beliefs. There is a fairly strong correlation between “intuition” (especially together with “perceiving”) in MBTI and “openness to experience,” a similarly strong if not stronger correlation between “extraversion” in MBTI to “extraversion” on the NEO-PI-R, a far weaker correlation between “feeling” in MBTI and “agreeableness” on the NEO-PI-R and a similarly weak correlation between “judging” and “conscientiousness. The only people who actually use dichotomies on this website are people who type using functions. In this site you can find out which of the 16 types this character 'Jordan Peterson' belongs to!. His recent debate with Matt Dilahunty pretty much proves Peterson hasnoTe. Maybe it was more useful for his own purposes (leading to a bias behind his categorical system) to basically just consider intellectuals as T's and that way he could focus on E vs I. INTx with strong Fi and developed Ti. @ventus I have the actual MBTI test right in front of me and it structures its questions way more for "shyness and reclusiveness" than "Jungian introversion". I also believe his persona is a carefully crafted one. "Peterson demonstrated disagreeableness and assertiveness thus he can't be a feeler and must be an extravert. If you want an actual personality assessment, Peterson did give out his score on the Big 5 personality test. Carl jung is a kantian. I like how you plebs are trying to find random reasons why you think he's a certain type while all I'm doing is using my Ni.
. ExTJs are the most combative extraverts they care the least about social harmony. To there's that for him being an INFJ. Do you know what that means. Neuroticism; capacity to fall into negative emotion is something exclusive to Big Five but it's somewhat linked to Agreeableness. I think you’re misunderstanding what I mean by the “ethics etc. @doodlepoodle. I think it makes even more sense why Peterson is the logician he is while still being such an expert communicator. You can see this type of analyses in pretty much all of his lectures when he isn't dealing with hostile forces. I don't guess that he's an INTP, I know he is. I could easily see Peterson scoring >50% “I” on the test questions you linked because only a few of them pertain to assertiveness which is the primary facet of Big Five Extraversion that he scored highly on. No, the presence of extraverted perceiving functions would (start to) explain why, there are hedonistic intuitives who don't even have Se in their stack. Get a life y'all. //"Why can't you see it. I know there was the one on TV and there was the big debate in UoT. It's obvious to me because he reminds me of so many other INTPs and of no other type. Most Se dom and Aux aren't exactly alcoholics as their healthy Se manifests in things like art and sports and while a hedonist tendency is possible it's generally not a focus. Ni tries to get to the core of Fe ethics and behavior to descern it's meaning and intentions and thus it's poential consequences. How about you do a holistic analysis of Peterson's type instead of cross referencing specific descriptions from multiples sources of MBTI and other psychological sources of study that doesn't consistently stick to MBTI and Jungian function stacks. I don't care about your deluded bigger picture, I made that clear from the start, I think he's not a feeler and you're not making sense. Peterson seems to have an idea of truth that is more f than t, from what i understand he puts ethical and moral values above pure material and logical truths so that seems to indicate f>t. ExTJs assert their own desires to attain what they want. //"INFJ would make him Canada's national superhero, of course dude. You can get more analytical/cold demeanor in a feeling type if they're in their loop or under grip. @Ventus it doesn't really matter what the site says the test is supposed to be about when those are literally all the E/I questions on Form M. Extraverts can be socially interuptive but not if they don't have Fe (theoretically speaking of course). @scotty - for the reasons I mentioned above. Nobody who types him as INTP can utilize evidence from any aspect of his life besides his debating style, because once you do that you will find that he does not in any way resemble a P type. Hahaha yeah okay buddy he's Fe-Si-Ne-Ti end of story, go on typing by letters. I'm just saying if we are to follow what Jung writes about he'd be a Thinking type (i. It sounds smart to put the two together and come up with The True Type based on a careful review of both sides of it but it’s simply wrong to mix two things together that aren’t compatible with one another. If you don't understand then that's your fault. while I won´t discard INTP or INFJ I´m giving him INTJ. Jung used the word "synthetic" to describe the ET type in a way that describes what Peterson does ("Even when it analyses, it constructs, because it is always advancing beyond the, analysis to a new combination, a further conception which reunites the analysed material in a new way or adds some. If you think or believe he's 'X' great for you, try to prove it instead of complaining. Archetypes is an Ni thing also. No, not exactly. I prefer cognitive functions because loop/grip theory can explain seemingly contradictory behavior while still staying consistent with one type (i. Having watched a lot of his videos I think he's clearly Ni dom. You mean to tell me that you think functions are subjective mental gymnastics used by biased losers who will rationalise any kind of trait into a type just so they can pin their own 4-letter code on someone without having to make sense or provide any kind of proof. It would make sense for an INFJ to behave way Peterson did. Fi and Te types are more likely to use MBTI as a means of understanding themselves and may not pay much credence to the greater cultural importance of archetypes and Si types might not actually understand why Jung tried to understand archetypes. Tl;dr Peterson is an INFJ who poses as an INTJ and when doing so exudes some INTP communicative characteristics. No, you had to chnage the goal post and ramble on about your distate for people who try to use accepted theories regarding inferior functions instead of giving me something to work with. Following MBTI doesn't necessarily mean you're an Ni-dom. His books are a joke. Both INTJs and INFJs are prone to that disconnected-from-reality-and-existing-data style of discussion and perception because that is how dominant Ni works, being a subjective (introverted) Perceiving function that absorbs information and subjects it to the abstract and synthesizing insights of the psyche. This doesn’t make sense since “feeling” is more intrinsically harmony and tact oriented than “thinking,” which explains the moderate correlation between “feeling” and “agreeableness. Rather, I mean that his ethics and conscience are a far more integral component of his underlying cognitive psychology than any of his logical justifications. a rational who prefers Thinking) above all. Fucking poser ass poodle, you're a pibble. I gave you chance to dicuss why you think Peterson is a "thinker" (or whatever MBTI type you have in mind) and let our conversation focus on just that but you couldn't that happen to some "tumblrina" now couldn't you. Brush up on your functions, Teru. What about ExTJ's (as I've explained), or ExTP's. he gone man, he goooonnee After all this bullshitty discussion, this thread shall be the return of Ventus. Something to do with the site’s mechanics must be broken. Even with what you quoted, it's like you have to imagine that the other half exists (that it really has this hidden motive). Respond when you've returned from psychotherapy. correcting a small mistake that was obviously a mistype. you know I'm pretty sure he wrote a thing or two about gaslighting and other shady tactics used in debate, didn't go that deep into his stuff did you That literally has nothing to do with his typing. Neuroticism; capacity to fall into negative emotion is something exclusive to Big Five but it's somewhat linked to Agreeableness. Yeah, that is what actually happens for inferior Se types. You can see it in his lectures. A promise is an abstract concept - as is 'good guys' - if you will notice - this is actually NF we're seeing here, values (F) in the abstract world (N) - "seen what promises are worth" - worth - valuation - F. That seems like a favouring of ethics and values over logic but then again as it's been pointed out it's just describing a philosophical argument using functions which is something that is highly questionable. It doesn't matter if functions are based on "unfounded" evidence. According to actual literature written on the stack you use today, your youth developmental process only goes from an erratic, unfocused stage until about the age of 6, from where your dominant and auxiliary functions would then develop into your early twenties. However, for the modern conservative rebel, Peterson is seen as a father-figure and a savior of the Enlightenment values that made the West what it is today. I'll go for INTJHis Ti and Te are both very developed. You observed Peterson being disagreeable and assumed that makes him a "Thinker" (or a type with Te/Ti in their dom/aux position). woah I didn't know that every time I bring up F and T types I have to add Fe/Fi/dom/aux and Te/Ti/dom/aux Jesus, Teru. They can be more disagreeable and combative like Peterson they've matured enough or have reason to do so. Speak English, obscurantist coward. I just stumbled upon this incarnation of the site; I’m glad to see it lives on with somewhat less trolling. We can see this in his his concern for Canada being driven solely about it's moral decay in the future. Instead, he words his views in a manner that prioritizes clarity and sincerity - politeness be damned. Peet not once tries to build bridges with him and rudely speaks over him many times through out the interview. They have contradicting traits you know. Am I supposed to realize that caring about a country getting fucked up is somehow correlated with a cognitive function. He knows the Communist nightmare it could potentially draw Canada into. Dillahunty's Te over simplifcation of ethics and didn't get him far after the latter half of the the debate. Same somewhat applies to lower Ne in xSFJs. A healthy INFJ with well developed Ti and Se. Let's not assume all rebels are Fi driven NTJ types or lower Fe NTP types. Because of that, I never think it’s enough to say that a philosopher is a T type because philosophy is a T discipline and he’s really good at it. dichotomies are more accurate than functions pretty much given up on his mbti type (although F/aux Fe makes absolutely zero sense, you guys are reaching), but if you think he's a 1, watch this video. Not a national hero mind you, given the hard left political climate of Canada which is why the contemporary left vilify him so much. It seems you know more about Jordan than I do. Jungian functions were added to MBTI much later (by Keirsey I think, I can't remember who exactly). As far as I can tell, MBTI makes no effort to actually use Jung for much more than advertising purposes. Peterson, of course. Letter and functions. And no, Peterson, unlike an xNTP, isn't interested in exploring subjective impersonal ideas as signified by Ti and Ne, but instead uses Ti as a means to analyze people and derive lessons to teach to his audience; his capacity to compare and contrast with Ti *serves* his Fe desire to analyze and understand people. I’m not a certified MBTI practitioner but I would assume that the questions’ goal is to obliquely figure out whether or not a person is a Jungian/MBTI introvert rather than simply label them as shy or reclusive. He's not focusing on a technical analysis of Communism (even though he does here and there) to see why it wouldn't be an beneficial economic system. That is why I attempt to strip away the “of course they would be like that” traits from their profession. They're not as driven as Fe doms to create a stable system of ethics for a group of people. You tried to make a shitty joke and actually managed to shoot yourself in the foot. I think he is xnfj. He scored high in Extroversion - however he associates this with assertiveness and not sociability. He's actually ESFJ because his Fe is interacting with his tert Ne repressing his poor Ti which is feeding into his Si. Assertiveness in Big Five has to do with your capacity to communicate your thoughts clearly. Of course if you're using "Jungian" to refer to things that aren't actually from Jung like the 8 Myersian functions then I think you'd have a much better argument as to a pretense on MBTI's part to somehow reflect that in their questions. Where did this magical link come from. Hedonism just says inferior Se, really. And when you do this, he stops resembling an NT and instead resembles an NF with an argumentative streak. Simply speaking, dominant Ni/Si makes them trend seekers of society and people. @scotty - On myersbriggs. If they do express it it's usually slow and immature. There is no correlation between the Big 5 and the Myers-Briggs strong enough for it to "spell something out". Again, it's a complicated phenomena that you decied to absurdly oversimplify. Its not much but enough to atleast justify using it and taking it into consideration. You consistently associate Fe with F types and Te with T types without cosnidering Ti T types nad Fi T types. You seem to not know which type of personality assessment to choose from whether it be dichotomy MBTI or an Jungian Functions MBTI. It's childish and your inablity to clearly state your own thoughts about makes it even worse. My vote keeps changing to INTJ despite the fact that I voted INFJ. " - paraphrasing some of the arguments I've heard about him not being an INFJ. Ispecifically said Fe. Well of course he could be ENTJ but you fail to give any example or reasoning behind it you're simply attacking me. What are you referring to when you say “extraverted judging function”. Hedonism and inferior Se are not correlated, every single type will act out in the present moment under stress, "having trouble with hedonism when stress gets to you" is not something only Ni-doms experience so you can't argue that somehow Se is to blame when everyone goes through it, Se or not. Theories are fun. And ultimately a lot of it is Jung's "fault" for sort of intermixing social roles and his conception of types. In common speak (I hope you understand what that means, we're Westerners after all, we're all socially capable individuals - I hope) or when we speak of things in a conventional sense, hedonism is usually associated with indulging in external sensory activities. This is speaking Jungverse though, not the many things that came afterward. It's more that his drinking came when he was stressed and started to take over his life. Their first and foremost first concern is to maintain tradtions of ethics if they're lead by Si-Fe or philosophize on or relevalute systems of ethics if they have Ni-Fe. But again, there is no need to continue debating this point because I’ve already conceded that it’s possible that he would score ENTJ. You came this close to understanding how Peterson is an Ni dom and you fucked it all up because you were molested my some tumblrite when you were a kid. So ENxJ makes the most sense, not ISxJ. //"First two would make roughly every user on this site Ni-dominant"//. who the fuck even is jordanpeterson Well, what do you expect me to do. //"It's not grounded in anything"//. It's as if Fe is superior to his Ti but his Ti is strong enough that it's not an inferior function but it's still under his Fe. These traits would be a lot more underdeveloped than users who have them higher in their stack and would be expressed unhealthily. This is why Peterson is an FJ. I'm not going to watch thousand of his videos to understand him because it seems like a waste of time but from an article it says that he "weights true as being accordant with value, not truth that has no essential value except the one that is ascribed to it". He appeals to the object quite well, maybe not in the "appeal to the intellectual process" sort of way that Sam Harris does but I do think overall there's a pretty strong case to be made for him having a good amount of Ti but not in a way where the subjective factor predominates in a way actually seen in IT types. That's not necessarily doing it to make others happy other person happy. He clearly has a strong Fe as he's speaking out of moral concerns about Canada's future he's just not as concerned about putting on a pretty face as an ENFJ would (you have Trudeau for that). Obviously it´s just an example from a detail but for what I´ve seen from him in youtube he´s a lot like that. Majority of what I see here is "more likely" or "less likely", instead link me a lecture where he explains that his motivations stem from his desire to "analyze people" or "protect Canada" or anything else you claimed and not from being a completely reasonable person who specialized in the right area. We can see this in his his concern for Canada being driven solely about it's moral decay in the future.
. It's like those guys who look at a painting and start rambling on about all it's obscure deep meanings without any clue of what they are going on about. "If you want an actual personality assessment, Peterson did give out his score on the Big 5 personality test. But probably he's just a 1. It can even seem at times as if Peterson is rambling if one doesn't understand the context he's speaking about, but also very it's step by step because Peterson's other goal is also to be an expert communicator (as he thinks Universities should be place where people come to train their ability to voice their opinions). Why can't you see it. Hedonism is unhealthy expressions of Se. If you want to translate that into MBTI you could say he is introverted, an intutive for his openness, a "doer" due to his concientiousness, but also a feeler due to his agreeableness. He firsts his vision first and foremost and puts social harmony second that's why he's an INFJ. Can you buy a 'promise' from the shop. Submissiveness is not the same thing is caring to soothe the tensions of another person. How do you expect me to argue against that. This interview https://youtu. He starts the interview by giving sarcastic remarks - he gives him a "B+ for his role a critic and an F for having conscience". Yeah, Teru, why can't you see Peterson's an INFJ. The more you delve into him the more you see that his underlying cognitive orientations are centered around ethics, conscience, society, and human nature — and the brand of logic he employs is more Ti than Te. I explained he is being disagreeable out of moral concerns for his country that makes him a feeler - or INFJ specicially if you go by functions. It is clear that there is a subjective buffer between Peterson’s own psyche and reality, in that he subjects reality to his own internalized impressions rather than the other way around. People are so gullible to type him as intx in my opinion. Anyway imo this guy is just not a T type. Saying that Schopenhauer is "actually" an "Ni type" presupposes that one classification is correct and Jung is wrong, when no evidence has been produced to give replacement systems (such as one where Schopenhauer is INFJ) any relative legitimacy. Source: https://youtu. In that case we will have to agree to disagree. v=OlB_xNOAn1c. Trying to understand the underlying similarity between a select set of ideas is usually a sign of Ni and Fe to focus of moral practicality and systems instead of subjecting them to the self-exploring morally relativistic questions of Fi. High in openness, neuroticism, conscientiousness and, as an intersting surprise, "above-average" in agreeableness. It's usually described as unhealthy alcoholism, partying, raving, etc - it's conventionally described by using sensory activties as examples. It's after all his effective communication of logic that backs fairly meanstream ideas and shared frustrations which has launched him into the spotlight. It's not enough. For someone driven enough to consider a politcal career and had worked for the NDP party in Canada in his teenage years (he left by18) Peterson's seemingly uncharacteristic lack of control during stressful times and in indulgence in sensory activites seems to indicate he has inferior Se and thus has to have dominant Ni. Not only is it unlikely, it goes directly against what Fe in an auxiliary position is supposed to be about, by definition. So he sticks to using Ni and Ti to break apart Peets arguments. In every interview I’ve seen of him he utilizes an assertive and surface-level-objective reasoning style that while generally civil also seems to be marshaling and direct, and unconcerned with packaging its message to soothe or appease its listeners. Shows a lack of Te but very strong ni. //"It's not grounded in anything"//. What I meant is Schopenhauer would be considered a Ni type based on most modern definitions of Ni, not that Jung was wrong in originally considering him a Ti type under his own system. You don't know how to define human traits and I had to put it in order by defining assertivenss, submisiveness, and it's relation to capacity for social interaction in a consistent manner with MBTI functions. Is he the once-in-a-lifetime INFJ with no Fe. Grips are retarded, loops are retarded. Keep in mind MBTI was not made by Jung but two women who tried to find ways of organizing women into specific jobs during WWII, neither of whom I believe were Ni-Fe users (I believe Isabel Meyers was INFP but I don't remember Catherine's). I believe Peterson is an INTJ with strong Fi, which would also explain why you perceived him as having no Te - since the T/F axis is interconnected, his strong Fi weakens his Te. You spent so much of your time trying to explain the difference between the ExxJs only to conclude that yes, there is a difference, but I didn't say there isn't, nor did I say that it's completely unlikely for an introvert to deny social harmony or that it's impossible for certain introverted types to be more or less likely to do so than others, just that, on average, it's less likely for introverts than extroverts (but let's ignore that and write an entire thesis on the definition of submissive. //"The choice is yours. It is possible that we are operating under differing assumptions as to what the T/F distinction is. He seems to obviate some of the implications of what he says even if it´s contradictory. It’s a shame the voting system doesn’t work well. Clearly the Jung-derivative (as in using Jungian language) with the most evidence showing it actually has utility is MBTI, which only very loosely links to his concepts, and in a way where the essence of J/P actually links best with Jung's original concept of having primary rational or irrational functions. But the impetus driving his “logical” nature is not an a priori cognitive bias toward reason and logic, but his own values, social perceptions, and conscience. It could have many different causes. Everything I have seen of him is him being strongly argumentative about something without using that much logic. They are far more likely to fight and disrupt social gathering. Peterson is not a feeler. Not saying that everyone who finds there way there is a NT but what I think a lot of people do is try to calibrate the type boundaries in order to basically split hairs. ” What they don’t understand is that cognitive functions are not behaviors, but mental processes. If you're upset that certain aspects of the MBTI uses theories that aren't founded on evidence then you shouldn't be wasting time arguing about MBTI (especially, when you guys get off to nonsense like Enneagram). This is the best way to type someone, and you could reach this conclusion with the use of reason. I love how this guys idea of "slaying the dragon" is getting a fucking girlfriend,cleaning your room and getting a job promotion.
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