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for as far as I remember you're nearly twice my age and anonymously telling me I'm molested and insane for disagreeing with your position on a public forum, aren't you a big guy The problem with the vagueness of the J/P axis in letter MBTI pretty much makes cognitive functions and letter MBTI mutually exclusive. The reason why I think Peterson's beliefs specifically show he's an INFJ has to do with the fact he's concerned about the future of Canada and his approach to understanding Canada’s obsession with Socialism/Communism is done out of moral concerns for the people specifically. And if you're using Jung as your basis and saying he's an introvert, he'd have to be a rational and thus Introverted Thinking type would be the best fit. He didn't start hedonistic but became that way. If you don't understand then that's your fault. //"First two would make roughly every user on this site Ni-dominant"//. I also really don’t like the “mix the two theories together” approach. Do you know what that means. It’s not even two different theories—there’s MBTI and the infinitely many different interpretations people have for the functions. Okay so this is an absolute boat load of tribe validation - whether it's due to being a saviour or demon, I'm unsure, not really enough information to gauge. Neuroticism; capacity to fall into negative emotion is something exclusive to Big Five but it's somewhat linked to Agreeableness. He scored high in Extroversion - however he associates this with assertiveness and not sociability. I think it makes even more sense why Peterson is the logician he is while still being such an expert communicator. Peterson's biggest mistake in debates is that he expects his opponents to grasp his otherwise abstract and complex (Ni) ideas in regards to God and religion - something most atheists like Harris and Dilahunty don't have the patience for. //"Am I supposed to realize that caring about a country getting fucked up is some how correlated with a cognitive function. Look up anything he does on Marxism or Communism and you'll definitely see his Fe shine through. I'm not going to watch thousand of his videos to understand him because it seems like a waste of time but from an article it says that he "weights true as being accordant with value, not truth that has no essential value except the one that is ascribed to it". Do you how to differentiate it from Te. I think it's pretty obvious which category Peterson falls into. That said, he is quite proficient with logic and argumentation when he needs to be — but he uses logic to buttress his ethical perceptions more than to construct them. It's more appropriate for Te types to be concerned about obvious facts and solutions like Peet. "I think his obsession with phenomenology, Jungian archetypes, and mythicism is a pretty good indicator that he's an Ni dom. I'm trying to fix that. This is just simplifying it mind you and is a lot more complex than what I'm explaining. Having watched a lot of his videos I think he's clearly Ni dom. by letter undoubtly to. This is the best way to type someone, and you could reach this conclusion with the use of reason. He's not focusing on a technical analysis of Communism (even though he does here and there) to see why it wouldn't be an beneficial economic system. The only sensible typing of Peterson in this case is Ni-Fe-Ti-Se INFJ. @doodlepoodle. nah he's INFJ because he analyzes people and reads jung Yeah, explain how he's high in Extraversion and Conscientiousness in Big 5 but somehow he's obviously I and P in MBTI. @Ventus it doesn't really matter what the site says the test is supposed to be about when those are literally all the E/I questions on Form M. Brush up on your functions, Teru. That I'm supposed to deny studies in favor of your semantics that (actually) don't consistently stick to anything because you said so. He sees what the university intellectuals and government officials want to do with restricting free speech and he's simply putting his foot down to do what is thinks is in the best interest of Canadians. He begins the interview disrespecting Peterson by not taking his position seriously and continuing to be condescending towards him throughout the interview. Whatever his type is, he's playing an enenagram 1. //"It's not grounded in anything"//. look I appreciate the love letter but I feel like this was way too nitpicky right off the bat, I can see a lot of your arguments but I really don't know how any of them would be reserved to specifically INFJ. And his seriousness is typical INTJ. yes I'm obviously an ISTJ because it's in my bio, go and accuse me of missing the bigger picture some more because that's a trait that's related to SJs and you're clearly offending me with that one (because I'm an SJ). It's not enough. I didn't know what gave him a high Extraversion score but if it had to do with Assertiveness only (I'm not sure how that's actually defined), then it's easy to see how that wouldn't carry over to MBTI well. It's as if Fe is superior to his Ti but his Ti is strong enough that it's not an inferior function but it's still under his Fe. Introverts are more reluctant to deny social harmony than extroverts in the first place, this has been empirically backed by studies. One can use this debate as a cipher to decode what Peterson means by truth. In terms of the Big 5, I score extremely similar to Peterson (and my girlfriend, who's an actual INFJ), does that make me an INFJ. None of this is about “scientific truths” but just logical consistency between how you decide someone’s MBTI type and the means that you use to get there. That said, Fe doms are first and foremost concerned with creating social harmony. INFJs have auxiliary Fe so I can see how they could score high of assertiveness. He's not an aimless rambler analyst like an xNTP. I realize"interwoven connection of meaning" does sound vague enough to be any kind of intuition but if I can find the video it feels very much like the few Ni heavy people I know discussing their creative process and very much how I understand it to be. I think there was another where Peterson explains how he's surprised that so many of viewers are young men. You're even worse than that dishonest little bastard Chaotic. INFJ has a laid-back and submissive temperament, IxFJ has the most socially submissive and cooperative temperament of any of the 16 types. Trying to bound a person's psychological dynamic within the functions system with loops and grips is dumb, especially since they more than anything else seem to just be ways of twisting the theory to allow it to stay in existence without facing contradictions and have no other ground, use and rules than the need to seem right. I've said that enough. ENFJs are more likely to interrupt social gatherings than INFJs, ENTJs are more likely to do so than INTJs, nothing of what you said changes that. He might as well be an ISTP since you think he's not a feeler and has problems with hedonism. Are you an Se/Ni or Ne/Si user. When I do that to Peterson, he definitely appears to be an F/Fe type. grips aren't real. An Si driven ISFJ might think badly of it because it opposes their traditionally religious lives. No, you had to chnage the goal post and ramble on about your distate for people who try to use accepted theories regarding inferior functions instead of giving me something to work with. Go back to the points I've made about Extraverts and types of Extraverts under MBTI. He seems to be at least INTX to me, and comes off like a pretty cold rationalist. What are you referring to when you say “extraverted judging function”. You don't make sense. And "interwoven connection of meaning" just sounds like using intuition in general, not a specific kind of it. There is a limit to how many people will even understand our arguments because they will look at Peterson and see him being disagreeable, critical, logical, and undiplomatic in debates and be like “look, he’s T/Te. You forgot this piece of my comment when you were making your response. It spells INFJ, if you take it simply. Because he is, thinkers have moral concerns too you elitist twat, IxTJs specifically can be very oriented towards "bettering humanity as a whole", more than any feeler, it's not related to Fe. “T,” they utilize a reasoning style that is more like the INTP’s reasoning style than the INTJ’s. Check this video out where he tries to analyze neo-Marxists fallacies on Communism. This might be loose ground to go on but I'd say his capacity to appeal to a mass of people through his charisma and inspire them enough to take on moral tasks is something exclusive to Ni and Fe driven xNFJs (xNFPs would inspiring but they would be more obnoxious if not pretentious for their Fi). INFJ by functions, INTP by dichotomy "He's demonstrated a pretty hardcore Ti and is one of the reasons why his lectures are so enjoyable. He could be ENFJ but he demonstrates a Ti strong enough to give people the impression he's a Thinker (Te/Ti dom/aux). Simply speaking, Fe is concerned about satiating the well being of others. I had not settled on a type I simply gave what I believed to be the most logical. Peet's agression put Peterson in a bad position so his auxillary Fe is less expressive than it should be and this Ti takes over. Not saying that he´s bad or stupid, I like him a lot, I think he is very interesting and very smart but his logic doesn´t look like proper logic to me. Peterson’s a Jungian introvert so I assume he would score as one on a Jungian type test such as the MBTI. You mean to tell me that you think functions are subjective mental gymnastics used by biased losers who will rationalise any kind of trait into a type just so they can pin their own 4-letter code on someone without having to make sense or provide any kind of proof. And can you really picture an INFJ scoring high on assertiveness. Are you an idiot. In fact when Harris noticed this, he spent the rest of the debate trying to convince Peterson to adopt a more rational conception of truth. On the contrary, Peet is concerned with being pragmatic while using morality as a mask whereas Peterson sticks to his Ni (ideals and conseuquenes) of how people ought to act (truth over kindness). INTx with strong Fi and developed Ti. This is not "logical" is it, unless you have some weird sort of belief system that younger people have to overcome their overwhelming inferior function or something like that. Fucking poser ass poodle, you're a pibble. Peterson is difficult to type because his visible behavior does not resemble his actual “shoes-off” psychometric type. You do this everything I try to explain some about MBTI functions how it can relate it to Peterson's type. Not a national hero mind you, given the hard left political climate of Canada which is why the contemporary left vilify him so much. Okay, but you could argue exactly the same about saying that math intelligence is not an intelligence because you can have someone who sucks at it (i. The fact that a significant swath of his character — the swath that seems more indicative of who he is — does not primarily use logic is a sign that he most likely is not a T type. Get a life y'all. He even calls Peterson "lazy" for using their appearence to know pronoun he should use. Go fuck yourself Pseudo-scientist* Thanks for the tip bro to Fi bois anyone not derrida is a pseudo intelllectual He said he took a big five type personality test and scored pretty high on extroversion. Fi and Te types are more likely to use MBTI as a means of understanding themselves and may not pay much credence to the greater cultural importance of archetypes and Si types might not actually understand why Jung tried to understand archetypes. "Peterson demonstrated disagreeableness and assertiveness thus he can't be a feeler and must be an extravert. Keep in mind that if his work proved anything at all, other neuroscientists would have jumped on his findings—neuroscience would have to be completely reshaped. Matt throws around what he considers to be obvious interpretation of religion and supernatural and Peterson struggles to incorporate that into his own into own argument and goes off into tangents about psychedelics and what not. Otherwise he's as collected as a judger would be. Peets intentions are not genuine. Te and Fe aux is harder to figure out but he's a good orator and surprisinglysocial which suggests Fe. Obviously it´s just an example from a detail but for what I´ve seen from him in youtube he´s a lot like that. Lack of Extraverting capacity will do that to any Introverted type, you sumbit to someone else when you cannot argue your position. Same goes for my use of the word “Jungian” — I am using it to refer to “Jungian typology” which refers to typology that utilizes Jungian cognitive functions as its foundation. It's usually described as unhealthy alcoholism, partying, raving, etc - it's conventionally described by using sensory activties as examples. ok troll YOU NEED TO CLEAN YOUR FUCKING ROOM BUCKO. <- THE MORAL ETHICS OF THE EXTRAVERTED FEELER. The argument that INFJs Ti is somehow as "strong" as that of an xxTP's or will appear (as) objective and cold is, again, a circle-jerked fad, the only people who claim this are mistyped INTPs on online fora or INFJs who overhype themselves, it's not a thing, no matter how ridiculous it sounds, the typology community is full of self-hyping heaps of shit. He's future-oriented and obviously an introverted thinker, but where's his auxiliary function. INTx would make him incapable of holding a stance against gender pronouns for reasons other than "not wanting to conform due to inferior Fe" or "defending his personal values due to Fi" but INFJ would make him Canada's national superhero, of course dude. If you do it right, people may change their minds. MBTI at this point mainly cites its psychometric credibility statistically in terms of predictive value, test-retest reliability, etc. Peterson sees that Peet is refering to "kindness and decency" but sees it be a mask and says "kindness is the excsue social justice warriors use to exercise controll over what other people think and say". @ventus I have the actual MBTI test right in front of me and it structures its questions way more for "shyness and reclusiveness" than "Jungian introversion". he gone man, he goooonnee After all this bullshitty discussion, this thread shall be the return of Ventus. They are first and foremost concerned about completing their agenda due to Fi-Te and are more likely to, as you said, interupt social harmony as they do't have Fe and want to satiate their own personal Fi feelings and desires. @Zeego - a combination of very busy and thinking P-D had been rendered an utter wreck because of trolling. Shows a lack of Te but very strong ni. As far as I can tell, MBTI makes no effort to actually use Jung for much more than advertising purposes. You consistently associate Fe with F types and Te with T types without cosnidering Ti T types nad Fi T types. It just works like this. IxTPs have inferior Fe they want to brush over being socially caring and repress it since it's an inferior function. Instead, he words his views in a manner that prioritizes clarity and sincerity - politeness be damned. I'm not gonna deal with Fe and ExFJ and the Extraverted thing. I always try to strip away the “of course they would be like that” T traits from disciplines like science and philosophy — just as I try to strip away the “of course they would be like that” F traits from disciplines like art and counseling. Let's not assume all rebels are Fi driven NTJ types or lower Fe NTP types. How about the rest of his Extraversion score. Give me something you can back up, assess his behavior, explain to me why how he acts fits into an F type in a way you can prove it, without relying on your own fantasy view of him or pointing to things behind the curtains that aren't there. This is why most INTJs deny the subjectivity of their viewpoints and seem to live life by pragmatic logical standards, yet at the same time exhibit underlying signs of idiosyncratic personal idea-subjectivity. For someone driven enough to consider a politcal career and had worked for the NDP party in Canada in his teenage years (he left by18) Peterson's seemingly uncharacteristic lack of control during stressful times and in indulgence in sensory activites seems to indicate he has inferior Se and thus has to have dominant Ni. He clearly has a strong Fe as he's speaking out of moral concerns about Canada's future he's just not as concerned about putting on a pretty face as an ENFJ would (you have Trudeau for that). (re: Comment 1). //"If an INFJ relies more on comparing and relating different factors than they do on understanding and analyzing people then that means one of three things: either the INFJ is not an INFJ,"//. If anything it may show up in N/S (where being more subjective = N). ") And he doesn't seem like the kind that would hang onto an unpopular subjective idea that he isn't able to back up with whatever kind of logic he decides to use. He's "not doing it" because he sees where the law is going to go when he gradually begin to give up parts of our rights to free speech. He's "not doing it" because he sees where the law is going to go when he gradually begin to give up parts of our rights to free speech. He also seems to have interst in the works other INFJs like Jung, Piaget, and Solzenitsyn so there's that (I'm not sure about Netizsche). Lower Ne is more likely to manifest in supersitious beliefs or unrealistically wild ambitions. You just said yourself that the INFJ typing is only based on how you perceive his motivations, there is no way you can point to an observable Fe trait that's an actual Fe trait, such as preferring harmony, being friendly and empathetic, wanting to be liked, preferring emotional or group values over objectivity, etc (fourth time I'm saying this and asking you to point me to either one of these traits. Why don't you lay down some reasons instead of calling everyone but you a retard. High in openness, neuroticism, conscientiousness and, as an intersting surprise, "above-average" in agreeableness. ExFJ is your gandma that wants to feed you snacks all the time or the church pastor who wants to use his religious charisma to strengthen the bond in his church. woah I didn't know that every time I bring up F and T types I have to add Fe/Fi/dom/aux and Te/Ti/dom/aux Jesus, Teru. He is probably xnfj. On the other hand though, Peterson explained how his hedonistic tendencies interfered with his intellectual pursuits almost textbook like I explained it just now, and since that's an actual documented thing in enneagram, that's my reason for typing him a 5, which was the only thing I was even arguing about to start with. Hedonism and inferior Se are not correlated, every single type will act out in the present moment under stress, "having trouble with hedonism when stress gets to you" is not something only Ni-doms experience so you can't argue that somehow Se is to blame when everyone goes through it, Se or not. seconded, I would agree with INTx but it's definitely not obvious It's obvious to me because he reminds me of so many other INTPs and of no other type. Clearly the Jung-derivative (as in using Jungian language) with the most evidence showing it actually has utility is MBTI, which only very loosely links to his concepts, and in a way where the essence of J/P actually links best with Jung's original concept of having primary rational or irrational functions. I don't understand the big hard on about them. //"claiming shit like "hedonism is inferior Se", as if INxJs are the only ones to get hedonistic when things don't go their way. INFJ has a laid back and submissive temperment, IxFJ has the most socially submissive and cooperative temperment of the 16 types. Abed Nadyr from Community) and still being highly intelligent. Do you know whether your elation at being praised is due more to the fact that you felt accepted, or wanted by other people - or was it due to feeling as though it meant you personally were 'good'. A healthy INFJ with well developed Ti and Se. It can even seem at times as if Peterson is rambling if one doesn't understand the context he's speaking about, but also very it's step by step because Peterson's other goal is also to be an expert communicator (as he thinks Universities should be place where people come to train their ability to voice their opinions). I gave you chance to dicuss why you think Peterson is a "thinker" (or whatever MBTI type you have in mind) and let our conversation focus on just that but you couldn't that happen to some "tumblrina" now couldn't you. Peterson's bouts with alcoholism and other unhealthy obsessives acitvities under stress seems like expressions of inferior Se or Peterson under going, as you said, inferior Se grip. It is Te dominants who almost invariably utilize objective reality and existing logical data as a foundation. It's your loss. He cannot look outside of the current world perspective, or imagine a different reality than the current one. Which would make some sense, but with the Extraverted Thinking type I think you're getting a better fit. Something to do with the site’s mechanics must be broken. I don't guess that he's an INTP, I know he is. The second letter in the personality type acronym corresponds to the preference within the sensing-intuition dimension: “S” stands for sensing and “N” stands for intuition.. If all you can tell me is to "delve deeper into his stuff" and "look at the bigger picture" without giving me anything you can back up, what am I supposed to find there. But it seems to me like their cognitive assumptions and biases are completely different - toward decency and manner (Peet, Fe) and toward truth and effectiveness (Peterson, Te). be/SiijS_9hPkM is the one I was thinking of. but an Ni-Fe drive to protect Canada from what he envisions as a terrible Marxist dystopia in it's future. Now everyone do what they want and in the end, this website is pretty much dedicated to shit. But again, there is no need to continue debating this point because I’ve already conceded that it’s possible that he would score ENTJ. Before stating the fact that loop/grip theories aren't real I'll remind that MBTI as a whole is rejected by psychologists. Maintaining social harmony is almost exclusively associated with Fe dom/aux types. Like imagine a rainbow of all people, and most philosophers are the color indigo, but different shades. Anyway imo this guy is just not a T type. I gave my reasons before ever even talking to you, simple or not I don't care, he's not a feeler because in MBTI terms he's not an F and in function terms he's not an auxiliary extraverted feeler, don't deny that I said this or tell me I need to fully type him, I don't fucking have to, you're the one convincing me, and I said literally all of this in my original comment, you've resorted to insulting me instead of giving me the shit I asked for more than a fucking week ago, there is no arguing with you, I'm done here man @fg I'm sorry but I'm afraid you're in the grip of your inferior function so I don't have to listen to you, wish there was something I could do :/ Teru I'm sorry but I'm afraid you're in the grip of your inferior brain so I don't have to listen to you, wish there was something I could do :/ooga booga booga french people smell "ooga booga booga french people smell"if you don't want to be treating as a child try to don't act and reason as onewow fg, great constructive criticism, keep it up, proud of you. In common speak (I hope you understand what that means, we're Westerners after all, we're all socially capable individuals - I hope) or when we speak of things in a conventional sense, hedonism is usually associated with indulging in external sensory activities. Even Myers-Briggs practicioners will generally tell you that the test is measuring your “shoes-off” self and not how you are within the context of your lifestyle. We can see this in his his concern for Canada being driven solely about it's moral decay in the future. Yes He is a very complex individual, but when you look purely at his “shoes-off” self, I can’t see any type but INFJ. Peterson is clearly not an Fe-dom as he's doesn't have as much problem with breaking it, however,that means he could be Fe-aux, tert, or inferior. The reason why you think he rambles on is because the video is made from a longer, full length, video where Peterson tries to address many other topics at at once. They can be more disagreeable and combative like Peterson they've matured enough or have reason to do so. #GETSORTED I agree with you but apparently he got high on openness, extraversion and conscientiousness in Big 5, and above average agreeableness for a man. Jung used the word "synthetic" to describe the ET type in a way that describes what Peterson does ("Even when it analyses, it constructs, because it is always advancing beyond the, analysis to a new combination, a further conception which reunites the analysed material in a new way or adds some. ” These aren’t related to anything “the functions” dictate, or else there would be a relationship between “F+J” and “T+P” with agreeableness and “F+P” and “T+J” with the absence of agreeableness. If you think or believe he's 'X' great for you, try to prove it instead of complaining. Even with what you quoted, it's like you have to imagine that the other half exists (that it really has this hidden motive). I could easily see Peterson scoring >50% “I” on the test questions you linked because only a few of them pertain to assertiveness which is the primary facet of Big Five Extraversion that he scored highly on. " - paraphrasing some of the arguments I've heard about him not being an INFJ. His combativeness driven by his moral concern is an example of a strong Fe being fed by a strong Ti but being lead by a strong Ni. If they do express it it's usually slow and immature. In addition, his definition of truth is by no means a traditional definition of truth. They don't realize that Ni dom INFJs can appear almost as distant and cold as an INTJs and depeneding on their beliefs and professions and come off as rather disagreeable even if they have auxillary Fe. Archetypes is an Ni thing also. I think everyone here knows that about MBTI and I've acknowledged it once before, again in this post, and again right now. Anoying psuedo-scientist which appears a lot wiser than he actually is First of all, I have to address a few misconceptions. You were wrong. That's arguable. You have glaring issues with your MBTI typings. He can come off as argumentative but his motivation are solely by moral concerns for his people and his Ti is used to argue for and about his concerns. Hedonism is unhealthy expressions of Se. He's some kind of INTxHe has too much mercy on religion to be Te, probably a Ti user. You have glaring issues with the terminologies you use. As for your argument about his academic work, he is a psychologist which is a field in which NF types often excel. also, you said he isn't a 5(w4) in the past, while "not really caring about the already existing theological framework (behind the bible)" is a trait that's VERY heavily correlated with type 5, especially 5w4 which cares about individuality and finding personal ways of doing things, and I'd think being accepted or "worshipped" for finding a way to talk about their insights and debate and debunk others would be any 5s wet dream as opposed to something they wouldn't want at all after using my Ti genius to analyze you thoroughly, I have come to the conclusion that you, sir, are an INTP who's talking shit for kicks. I don’t see how this doesn’t describe Jordan Peterson perfectly. It would make sense for an INFJ to behave way Peterson did. He doesn't have any vision. @scotty - On myersbriggs. An Fe user is concered about social harmony. I know there was the one on TV and there was the big debate in UoT. You have yet to make a detailed case on Peterson's type. He sees what the university intellectuals and government officials want to do with restricting free speech and he's simply putting his foot down to do what is thinks is in the best interest of Canadians. I would be interested in reading how you see auxiliary Fe in this interview as well as if you have seen other interviews where his alleged INFJness is clear. Hedonism is unhealthy expressions of Se. Your lack of confidence indicates you don't know what you're talking about. That seems like a favouring of ethics and values over logic but then again as it's been pointed out it's just describing a philosophical argument using functions which is something that is highly questionable. I prefer cognitive functions because loop/grip theory can explain seemingly contradictory behavior while still staying consistent with one type (i. He has just cuestioned the whole concept of intelligence with that stament but he doesn´t realice that. as something other than NT, especially when it makes them feel like they are looking at things "deeper" and "more nuanced" than MBTI. //"And can you really picture an INFJ scoring high on assertiveness. It's obvious to me because he reminds me of so many other INTPs and of no other type. //"or judgers are more likely than percievers to give into hedonistic tendencies"//. Capacity for Extroversion will determine whether you're driven by an introverted or extroverted function, Openness will determine whether you're a sensor or intuitive, Conscientiousness to determine if you have an extroverted judging function in your dom or aux stack, and Agreeableness determines if you have an Fe-Ti stack or Te-Fi stack. His 'ideology' is Fi + Te. He doesn't ramble on. We can see this in his debate with Sam Harris — Harris employs a traditional definition of truth while Peterson employs a more ethic driven and subjective definition of truth. If you enjoyed this entry, find out about the personality types of Writers characters list.. People can share Peterson's beliefs but believe in them differently. In Peterson’s case much of the evidence I have to work with comes from his interviews about psychology and philosophical ideology, so I have to parse through that and work with it. Dario Nardi’s work shouldn’t be taken seriously. Peterson does not even attempt this, or if he does, he does not do a good job. Because you don't understand how to categorize human behavior and nor do you know how to corrleate MBTI to human traits and other tendencies (granted, I know it's pseudoscience). Please appreciate it. He's "not doing it" because he sees where the law is going to go when he gradually begin to give up parts of our rights to free speech. An interesting criticism I've seen for of a lot of his supporters is that they're trying to worship Peterson as a hero but more interestingly see him as a surrogate father figure for they never had one when growing up (keep in mind this is the case for millennial Westerners). You have yet to make a detailed case on Peterson's type. And intellect doesn’t necessarily equal Thinking. If you want some shadow of 'grounding' for function theory look at dario nardis work, from what i know it tries to have evidence of functions through brain scans and how different mbtis have different areas of the brain light up accordingly. Shut the fuck up with overly dogmatic faith in dichotomies, a mix of both function and dichotomy is probably the best. If you want to reduce MBTI into simple horoscope fun and relegate it to letter MBTI then be my guest. The only other typing that is even remotely possible is an insanely integrated 4w5. A good example of someone who he typed as a Ti type who actually is a Ni type is Arthur Schopenhauer (who perhaps-not-so-coincidentally is the same breed of INFJ I believe Peterson is). Yeah, you're supposed to acknowledge which functions they have like you're doing there. This is why Peterson is an FJ. Just wanna know because given the circumstances I can make an argument or two where an INFJ could react the way he did. What I meant is Schopenhauer would be considered a Ni type based on most modern definitions of Ni, not that Jung was wrong in originally considering him a Ti type under his own system. Dilahunty's a clear example of a Te user (I've seen him typed ENTJ). He is far more interested in pointing out how Peterson doesn't follow the obvious solutions to the problem of trans pronouns like using a smartphone with coded pronouns and not recognizing that we obviously ought to be nice to others. //"How does Fe even have a role in your argument. hedonism in youth suggests. In fact, he is naturally more of an aphoristic moralist than a moral analyst — and you can see that in many of his classroom lectures and talks delivered to like-minded crowds. INFJs are frequently among the most social introverts so it fits. I have seen him wax poetic about victimhood, purpose, ethics, religion, and other topics without using any logic whatsoever. Stick to letter MBTI and ennegram. But in that case can't you just use philosophy lingo to describe their differences, as I see you doing when mentioning aphorisms and whatnot. ExTPs are more Fe driven than Ti dom IxTPs but they're still no where as much concerned with social harmony than FJs. You tried to make a shitty joke and actually managed to shoot yourself in the foot. Being hedonistic during youth could only suggest Pe-dom in the model, not Pe in the inferior position. You are in the best place to test MBTI and learn what type Jordan Peterson likely is!. So why does he also resemble an INTP in ways. @scotty When I say youth I mean well into 20s. Probably 1w2 but I'm not sure about that. He pretty much is. dichotomies are more accurate than functions pretty much given up on his mbti type (although F/aux Fe makes absolutely zero sense, you guys are reaching), but if you think he's a 1, watch this video. So I don't know. Your ego is not your Ni. Is he an "INTJ with Ti well-developed". you're an idiot no u //"Why do you try to explain the entire theory instead of simply your reasons for typing the guy. He starts the interview by giving sarcastic remarks - he gives him a "B+ for his role a critic and an F for having conscience". That's what Fe dom's do - they care first and foremost about maintaining social harmony one way or another. It could have many different causes. They don't care about social harmony. He has no reason to build bridges with that's why he sticks to coldly analyzing his arguments and stating his point of view. In this site you can find out which of the 16 types this character 'Jordan Peterson' belongs to!. It shows how assertiveness for Extraverts can be interuptive/disruptive or condcutive depending on whether an ExFJ has Fe or Te. and I sort of ignored the idea of INFJ because at least in a Jungian sense he relies way too much on his "intellect", and perhaps his normal academic work (which I gather is respected enough, and uncontroversial) would be a better example of his extraverted thinking in action. I was using the word Jungian in a broader context to refer to the body of literature and theories that originated from or grew out of Jung’s work — specifically the ones related to typology. I’m not a certified MBTI practitioner but I would assume that the questions’ goal is to obliquely figure out whether or not a person is a Jungian/MBTI introvert rather than simply label them as shy or reclusive. An INFJ, being an auxiliary Fe type, would at least acknowledge the professor’s attempts to build bridges and then would word his rebuttal in a manner that soothes or addresses those concerns. Assertiveness in Big Five has to do with your capacity to communicate your thoughts clearly.

. I score high on conscientiousness, moderately high on agreeableness (which I take as higher than average) and extremely high on openness, only thing I differ with is my low extroversion score, and I'm not INFJ. On the contrary, Peet is not at all trying to build bridges Petersonat all. If you want an actual personality assessment, Peterson did give out his score on the Big 5 personality test. Well in that case I don't think we can go any further. Peterson is not a feeler. Hahaha yeah okay buddy he's Fe-Si-Ne-Ti end of story, go on typing by letters. On Extraversion — what he said was that his score was high, “although that is mostly Assertiveness” — that implies to me that the rest of his Extraversion score was at best average. who the fuck even is jordanpeterson Well, what do you expect me to do. Extraverts can be socially interuptive but not if they don't have Fe (theoretically speaking of course). Speak English, obscurantist coward. He got himself back on track by visualizing a career and future and systematically removing his sensory distractions. You really have to delve into his work to get a greater understanding of his type. you know I'm pretty sure he wrote a thing or two about gaslighting and other shady tactics used in debate, didn't go that deep into his stuff did you That literally has nothing to do with his typing. The one true type shit is dumb. He clearly demonstrates Fe and Ti given how much he tries to validate Dilahunty's world view before trying to break it down on his own. Functions, loop, and grip theory can reconcile contradicting beheaviors in a type that letter MBTI cannot. You'e not looking at the bigger picture and neither are you demonstrating an understanding of function dynamics. ENFJ, being an extraverted judger, is more more likely interrupt social gatherings to forward themselves than an INFJ is. This interview https://youtu. Following MBTI doesn't necessarily mean you're an Ni-dom. I think he's a T type, Ti or Te, dom or aux, both make more sense than F (dom or aux, Fi-Te or Fe-Ti, know I have to add this or you'll jump on that too) to me. Respond when you've returned from psychotherapy. He cares more about the fact he thinks it's a deeply nihilistic system masquerading as a compassionate one to manipulate people into a tyrannical government so the rulers can express their resentment onto them in whatever way they wish (Fe). Only descriptive. //"There is no correlation between the Big 5 and the Myers-Briggs strong enough for it to "spell something out". //"I gave you my reasons for what I think"//. Given their conciously people pleasing nature and being not as extraverted as their ExFJ counter parts they would come off as the most submissive types of MBTI. correcting a small mistake that was obviously a mistype. When I first found out about him I thought he was an xNTJ too, so I definitely could see why you (and others who haven’t seen that many videos of him) would perceive him as a NT type. The interwoven connection of meaning is indicative of heavy Ni use. Everything he talks about screams Ni Dom. I've seen him do a few more and his coldness seems to be constant reaction that he throws towards them specificially. Something Jung talked about in Psychological Types. Is this guy really a Ti dom. //"I gave you my reasons for what I think"//. Why do you think you're an ISTJ. Peterson is not hedonistic - he just had troubles with hedonism earlier in his life when college stress got to him. His sample size is dreadful and watching Nardi’s videos, I think it’s clear that he is biased in wanting to prove the existence of the functions. The same might more or less apply to Ti driven xNTPs if they’re knowledge about economies. I wouldn’t be surprised if he cherrypicked his data to draw conclusions in favor of the idea that functions are literal processes in the brain. " if you don't want to be treating as a child try to don't act and reason as oneYou spent 1000 words writing out passive-aggressive remarks only to call me emotionally unstable, you sure you doing okay bud. His hedonism in his youth although suggest inferior Se. Although, of course, there would be some expected correlation between the two. You’re very empirical in your approach, while I am more interpretive. How can I do that when you yourself are rambling on about people who adhere to "tumblr" theories about MBTI functions are deluded retards. We can see this in his his concern for Canada being driven solely about it's moral decay in the future. And yeah as far as I'm concerned I do think that sort of figuring where people will fit in the actual MBTI world makes most sense when using MBTI types but that doesn't mean it's not interesting to think about where these people would be classified by someone like Jung or whatever people came up with after him that probably isn't anything like his ideas. That's not necessarily doing it to make others happy other person happy. Stop with this. Letter and functions. org it explicitly states to not equate introversion with shyness or reclusiveness. At best they're pobably going to refer to the overly sensationalized descriptions of INFJs from letter MBTI test sties where INFJs are described as "misunderstood vessels of pain and emotion" - like a deified INFP. @scotty - for the reasons I mentioned above. It reminds me of dostoyevsky (another infj) whose life work was in bare terms to fight against the demon of nihilism that plagued russia and strongly disrupted the social order, his work is in fact critiqued by many intx for being too ideologically driven, which is also something that people are doing nowadays with peterson. Inferior Se, because it's less developed than dom/aux/ter Se is most likely manifest unhealthily and therefore be described as hedonistic. You observed Peterson being disagreeable and assumed that makes him a "Thinker" (or a type with Te/Ti in their dom/aux position). According to actual literature written on the stack you use today, your youth developmental process only goes from an erratic, unfocused stage until about the age of 6, from where your dominant and auxiliary functions would then develop into your early twenties. ExFJs assert their desire to bring people together. If I get INFJ today then I get ESFP one day then ISTP the other and INTP sometime later, does that mean I am all of those types. You really should see Peterson's lectures. Is he the once-in-a-lifetime INFJ with no Fe. v=v76nSSGpACo. I explained he is being disagreeable out of moral concerns for his country that makes him a feeler - or INFJ specicially if you go by functions. This is the best way to type someone, and you could reach this conclusion with the use of reason. I think his obsession with phenomenology, Jungian archetypes, and mythicism is a pretty good indicator that he's an Ni dom. It’s not as simple as he’s intellectualizing his ethical beliefs. My vote keeps changing to INTJ despite the fact that I voted INFJ. Functions can at least describe why a type might behave differently (even contradict their overall type) in different circumstances and under pressure. fuck u for making me write all of this tho here's a meme. It sounds smart to put the two together and come up with The True Type based on a careful review of both sides of it but it’s simply wrong to mix two things together that aren’t compatible with one another. For example, he says that emotional intelligence is not an intelligence because you could have an intelligent person who is bad with people. This is speaking Jungverse though, not the many things that came afterward. Look at the bible videos, he does not really care about the already existing theological framework behind the bible, the content that comes out of his mouth when he talks about it is almost completely separated from the work. And why is a scalar “agreeableness” facet indicative of a dichotomous “Te/Fi” or “Fe/Ti” preference. In that case we will have to agree to disagree. Dillahunty's Te over simplifcation of ethics and didn't get him far after the latter half of the the debate. You gave me many reasons why specific things about my ideas on certain types and functions are "wrong". His crusade against non-gender pronouns isn't actually a result of not wanting to be conform due to inferior Fe or impeding agianst his values of an Fi but very an Ni-Fe drive to protect Canada from what he envisions as a terrible Marxist dystopia in it's future. It’s a shame the voting system doesn’t work well. No offense to Mr. However, the MBTI test (while not asking about that directly) structures its questions to test for Jungian introversion - not shyness or reclusiveness. He's actually ESFJ because his Fe is interacting with his tert Ne repressing his poor Ti which is feeding into his Si. His entire way of thinking is just idealism with a rational mask put onto it. ” What they don’t understand is that cognitive functions are not behaviors, but mental processes. You're leaving lots of open ends. If those studies included their findings and described them in accordance to MBTI functions you would probably end up with results akin to what I'm describing (but of couse MBTI and congitive functions are pseudosciences so it never would). Their goal is to create an environement where everyone can be emotionally and morally stable and they do it via Si or Ni (aux functions). //"Explain yourself instead of treating me like a fucking child you rambling moron. v=OlB_xNOAn1c. Can you buy a 'promise' from the shop. Te users are usually driven to win the debate sometimes at any cost. You're a fucking joke Teru. He just uses Ti to argue for it - which he has an expert handle on as he comes off an INTx to some typists. In most cases Fe doms are the ones conducting a social scene. Depending on your interpretation of Jungian typology and the body of evidence you are working from, you could reasonably type him as INFJ, INTP, and INTJ. Welcome to MBTIBase - PersonalityBase, here you can learn about Jordan Peterson MBTI type.. //"Why can't you see it. Peterson seems to have an idea of truth that is more f than t, from what i understand he puts ethical and moral values above pure material and logical truths so that seems to indicate f>t. It spells INFJ, if you take it simply. You can see it in his lectures. Most Se dom and Aux aren't exactly alcoholics as their healthy Se manifests in things like art and sports and while a hedonist tendency is possible it's generally not a focus. Lower Ne is more likely to manifest in supersitious beliefs or unrealistically wild ambitions. I understand why you think you're not an INFJ but that also why I asked you explain to me why you think you should be labelled an ISTJ. HAHAHA Ventus where were you this whole time. You camethisclose to understanding how Peterson is an Ni dom and you fucked it all up because you were molested my some tumblrite when you were a kid. Anyways, letter-wise he's INTJ, function-wise he relies more on introverted thinking than anything else. There's a video of a sculpture he made and the amount of depth behind something as simple as a piece of art he made for fun is staggering. He basically uses arguments from biology that are all twisted to fit his dumb vision, uses his retarded lobster argument (deleuze would be ashamed) to show that there is a "hierarchy" in the animal kingdom that somehow is the same as humans. It's usually described as unhealthy alcoholism, partying, raving, etc - it's conventionally described by using sensory activties as examples. He plays on the emotions too much to be intx. Se aux or dom types are likely to do it, sure, but because they have healthier control over thier Se they're likely to put it to use for something productive or healthy like playing sports, outdoor activities that are productive or starting a career in a physcially engaging job like construction or landscaping. On this basis specifically and in accoradance to MBTI functions, the presence of Extraverted Sensing, or Se, would explain why. Peterson's bouts with alcoholism and other unhealthy obsessives acitvities under stress seems like expressions of inferior Se or Peterson under going, as you said, inferior Se grip. Hedonism is certainly unhealthy. It doesn't matter if functions are based on "unfounded" evidence. Source: https://youtu. Again you need brush up on your functions. I just stumbled upon this incarnation of the site; I’m glad to see it lives on with somewhat less trolling. Contrary, to what you're saying I don't think Peet has any Fe at all. Their debate is a good example of higher Te and lower Ti clashing. That is why people have to interpret and analyze not just what people say, but why they say it, what their underlying cognitive biases and goals are, etc. If you want to translate that into MBTI you could say he is introverted, an intutive for his openness, a "doer" due to his concientiousness, but also a feeler due to his agreeableness. You seem to not know which type of personality assessment to choose from whether it be dichotomy MBTI or an Jungian Functions MBTI. On that note, his concern is not really about logical consistency but what is going to be good for the future of Canada. Since INTJs have auxiliary Te, they supplement and analyze their convergent and subjective abstract insights using marshaled and direct objective rationales. //"Peterson is not a feeler"//. He scored high in Extroversion - however he associates this with assertiveness and not sociability. It's has all the indicators inferior Se manifesting as it comes out during stressful times and shows up as unhealthy habits. They're very analytical and goes from point to point. He could be ENFJ but he demonstrates a Ti strong enough to give people the impression he's a Thinker (Te/Ti dom/aux). But what I am certain of is that Peterson subjects reality to his impressions before projecting his impressions on reality, which is a receptive-before-projective attitude that would most likely lead to him scoring “I” on all the questions pertaining to broad sociability and ability to start and carry conversations. @scotty - To be honest I am willing to concede the possibility that he would score ENTJ on the MBTI test - I was more using that to illustrate that on the surface he resembles a type with Ni and Te (and since I had already argued for introversion, I said INTJ). Functions aren't grounded in anything, there is this one part of MBTI however that is, has been polled and has actually been tested on, GEE GOLLY I WONDER WHAT IT IS. I also believe his persona is a carefully crafted one. I believe Peterson is an INTJ with strong Fi, which would also explain why you perceived him as having no Te - since the T/F axis is interconnected, his strong Fi weakens his Te. I think he is xnfj. He answers this in the first two minutes of the video. Of course if you're using "Jungian" to refer to things that aren't actually from Jung like the 8 Myersian functions then I think you'd have a much better argument as to a pretense on MBTI's part to somehow reflect that in their questions. He could be ENFJ but he demonstrates a Ti strong enough to give people the impression he's a Thinker (Te/Ti dom/aux). Go to some Jordan Peterson groups online or on any comment sections of his videos. First two would make roughly every user on this site Ni-dominant, andwatch this video of him explaining his stance towards religion (which I'm assuming is what you meant with mythicism), dude keeps rambling on going off on tangents and questioning what he says as he's saying it, never really arriving at a point etc (he does this often). MBTI is MBTI and the various function theories people use aren’tirrefutably about MBTI. I like how you plebs are trying to find random reasons why you think he's a certain type while all I'm doing is using my Ni. An INTP would get stuck in his Ti-Ne theories and wouldn't be nearly as good as Peterson when trying to explain them even if they were the same age. That's your teritary Fi, INTJ. And you're doing it again. No "truth" pretention other than that. You're not making a definite point. As for intellect and Thinking, this is more of Jung's idea. How about you do a holistic analysis of Peterson's type instead of cross referencing specific descriptions from multiples sources of MBTI and other psychological sources of study that doesn't consistently stick to MBTI and Jungian function stacks. And the rest of your crap just makes you sound like you're worshipping his "depth" and you think that only INJs can be "deep", whatever that even means, as if ENTJs couldn't do the same thing, especially when they have a rabid fanbase gobbling up whatever they are thrown. Specifically INFJ since his other functions are dominant Ni and inferior Se. I went into this in more detail above. Ispecifically said Fe. So he sticks to using Ni and Ti to break apart Peets arguments. The only people who actually use dichotomies on this website are people who type using functions. IxTJs have teritary Fi that feed into their Te. No, inferior functions are repressed, unhealthy INxJs deny the present moment and live in their heads, you're describing the "Se grip" which is a circle-jerked phenomenon used to excuse the most overrated types having Se in a baby position so they can blame their flaws on it or can tell you shit like "hey we can be violent too. Jungian functions were added to MBTI much later (by Keirsey I think, I can't remember who exactly). You'll understand why people enjoy them so much.

. Peterson knows right away that submitting to Peets seemingly "Fe" platitudes are not going to do him any good. Not saying that everyone who finds there way there is a NT but what I think a lot of people do is try to calibrate the type boundaries in order to basically split hairs. Are you an idiot. Those traits would be described as occuring when the person in under stress or is having diffuclty operating with higher and healthier functions. Keep in mind he has a very high IQ and has been in academia for decades; any person with those traits would be proficient in logic. That's why I have to break them down step by step because you've clearly demonstrated that you don't understand them. Was it above or below average. Intellectualizing "ethics, conscience, society, and human nature" would fit into Jung's view of both ET and IT types because the act of doing so suppresses the Feeling response to such issues and takes them into the intellectual domain. INFJs are still aux Fe-users, meaning that they focus on people. but "having a subjective buffer between yourself and reality" isn't asked for on the MBTI test at all with regards to E/I. And he has developed this cult of personality that no 5w4 (known as iconoclast for gods sake. //"The choice is yours. The only sensible typing of Peterson in this case is Ni-Fe-Ti-Se INFJ. Again, it's a complicated phenomena that you decied to absurdly oversimplify. Peterson, of course. I still would expect him to test INTJ but it really doesn’t matter within the broader context of what I was trying to say. Part of this is because his definition of Ni was very narrow; some of the modern definition of Ni was actually built into Jung’s interpretation of Ti. "If you want an actual personality assessment, Peterson did give out his score on the Big 5 personality test. Well of course he could be ENTJ but you fail to give any example or reasoning behind it you're simply attacking me. He was drinking and smoking uncontrollably while trying to get through Grad school so much so if was hindering his career and education. Trying to understand the underlying similarity between a select set of ideas is usually a sign of Ni and Fe to focus of moral practicality and systems instead of subjecting them to the self-exploring morally relativistic questions of Fi. Just look at his bible videos, he definitely appeals to peoples emotions and has very strong fe,but makes you think he is a intj or something. Even if he is best described as a Jungian IT type he would get ENTJ on a test. This is the Jungian definition of introversion and it does not matter that his Big Five Extraversion is high because the Big Five is behavioristic and does not automatically correlate to the psychometric definition of Extraversion. These traits would be a lot more underdeveloped than users who have them higher in their stack and would be expressed unhealthily. He calls them "dangerous" and proposes the outcomes of implementing Communism in the saintly fashion that they think they would. Peet not once tries to build bridges with him and rudely speaks over him many times through out the interview. (re: Comment 2). Their first and foremost first concern is to maintain tradtions of ethics if they're lead by Si-Fe or philosophize on or relevalute systems of ethics if they have Ni-Fe. They aren't and neither is Peterson. He believes that truth is the highest value but has justified this (whenever pressed on it) using arguments rooted in the proper function of society and on ethical grounds — which implies that the impetus of his prioritization of truth is his sense of values and human relationships/society (Fe, not Te). They don't go hopping around trying to please everyone, but their focus still lies with people. But probably he's just a 1. As for the emotional appeals, that is simply an argument against being an inferior F_ type (IxTP or ExTJ). ) - but, at the end of the day, what matters is whether something works (in regards to theoretical ideas, this is based on an abstract value (NF) - the 'greatness' of the idea itself), and you specify this is of higher importance than encouraging new, innovative ideas. The choice is yours. That way you can have actual conversations with other people without losing your shit at the fact they can't understand. And rather than looking at the immense similarities between them, especially compared to a more general population, they instead miss the bigger picture and are left on their little mission to try to type philosophers, scientists, etc. Way better guess. Most of what you say can be applied perfectly to Peterson but doesn't really hold up if you apply it to anyone but him. It's childish and your inablity to clearly state your own thoughts about makes it even worse. So your argument is that others are retard for not thinking like you. You can get more analytical/cold demeanor in a feeling type if they're in their loop or under grip. What about ExTJ's (as I've explained), or ExTP's. My only real contribution here can be what Jung said or didn't say, or what MBTI is or isn't. v=v76nSSGpACo He has a donate feature in his website HAHe's completely idealistic. Why would i watch videos of this guy blabbering on about the bible when i could look at actual bible scholarship. It can a little difficult to get a read on Peterson if you aren't acquainted with his topics because you can miss his Fe which he keeps under wraps due to his academic position and expresses Ti most of the time – in particular when confronting people he doesn't like (pronoun advocates, communists, etc) which is how most people get to know him. His Fe is maybe higher than even infj, too much of a showman to be a heavy introvert inxx. Definitely 1 though. Peterson not being an Fe dom just says he's not an ExFJ. "Explain yourself instead of treating me like a fucking child you rambling moron. A promise is an abstract concept - as is 'good guys' - if you will notice - this is actually NF we're seeing here, values (F) in the abstract world (N) - "seen what promises are worth" - worth - valuation - F. I actually agree with you on your problem with saying “Schopenhauer is actually a Ni type” — I was not being sufficiently precise with my language there. If you want scientific truths don't look at mbti. The functions are a theory. What are you talking about. That the hedonism argument isn't self-masturbatory internet INJs trying to rationalise why they're fat and ugly and somehow Jung himself said it's "inferior Se". I'm merely pissed that these people don't think like me, can't see that he's an INTP, so they're pretty much a bunch of confident idiots, except for that one guy whose not even confident yet says I'm wrong and shares his opinion anyway. "good guys" - good, value, F, 'good guys', abstract concept - N. His Fe is skilled enough for effective communication otherwise his lectures wouldn't as engaging as they are. He seems to obviate some of the implications of what he says even if it´s contradictory. They'd reject the values of Jungian archetypes right away. Explain yourself instead of treating me like a fucking child you rambling moron. You speak like these traits necessitate a particular outcome with unrelated traits with any particular correlation below 1, a leap which would transcend empirical data and create a link without any real theoretical reasoning to back it up—unless you have any. It's like those guys who look at a painting and start rambling on about all it's obscure deep meanings without any clue of what they are going on about. They can be assertive given their competence with Fe but thatis not the same thing as disrupting a social scene (or interupt as you said). (I already wrote a comment sort of like this but whatever) you and other people associate him with "Fe" because of his "cult following" and other stereotyped associations and not because he shows any identifiable traits of a strong (extroverted) feeler, if he doesn't fit into Te neither does he fit into Fe, and since when are T types incapable of rambling. Your anti-Te argument is not an argument against him being a type with Te, it is an argument against him being a Te dominant (ExTJ). Even if not directly tested, public voting can provide good accuracy regarding Jordan Peterson Myers-Briggs and personality type!. He will *always* enunciate his points when explaining something and will try to explain enough of the technical details of the topic to give you a good idea of what he's saying or at least get you interested. No, not exactly. But there are different descriptions for different types. Not to mention this involves typing their philosophical approach rather than the actual people as human beings which is certainly something that MBTI authorities would not consider to be a legitimate use of MBTI. ISxJs appear submissive but that's a result of their introversion and generally lesser tendency to be assertivebut I've already argued that submissiveness/assertiveness is not necessarily the same thing as being a people pleaser - that's more in a dimension of agreeableness which I've stated before that Peterson does score higher than average on. , thing further to the given material. Despite the abstract and idiosyncratic nature of his viewpoints, when someone asks him to justify them he utilizes factual information and justifications founded upon logical standards, and does not attempt to build empathic bridges with his questioners. He knows the Communist nightmare it could potentially draw Canada into. Where did this magical link come from. You gave me many reasons why specific things about my ideas on certain types and functions are "wrong". Wouldn't it make more sense to type him as something like Ji-Se-Ni-Je in that case. I don't think he'd have the same reception if he were an xNTJ or INTP. It's a complicated phenomenon and you can't associate it with a single set of MBTI types. Regarding the MBTI questions you can read them yourself and see if you think there are these hidden methods of trying to measure Jungian concepts. I agree that he plays on emotions more than the average INTJ, but INTJs have tertiary Fi and thus it is not beyond them to utilize pathos in their argumentation style. Te types on the otherhand are more concerned with the implementing a set of personal objectives based on practical rules (if you will). He's just making shit up to promote his stupid survivalist stance. But apply it on a bigger scope and you're left with a pretty useless tool. Theories are fun. They have contradicting traits you know. The problem is simply trying to type people you don’t know requires you to work off of limited data sets and utilize a lot of induction and inference. Discover Array, and more, famous people, fictional characters and celebrities here!. Disclaimer: I've seen a lot more of people talking about him than actually what he says first-hand. He is using Ni and Fe to project what the outcome and intention of the specific set of mindset that Peet is arguing for. I understand that typing systems can have overlaps and one type isn't going to perfectly translate into an equivalent type on another system. Being an agnostic doesn't make you a Ni-dom and neither does this almost stereotypical INTP behavior. It's a good thing to be able to differentiate from common tendencies of certain the functions and stacks of MBTI types and how they manifest in the behavior of real life individuals. He knows the Communist nightmare it could potentially draw Canada into. Yes I type by letters and think that ISxP is as far from reality as you can get but I'm just trying to piece together how you view functions and I really don't even get how the hedonism thing would work. Introverts are more reluctant to deny social harmony than extraverts. INFPs, like most introverts, are quiet and reserved. They prefer not to talk about themselves.. //"INFJ would make him Canada's national superhero, of course dude. It may seem likes Peet is concerned with moral obligations but given his lack of seriosness and respect towards Peterson, it doesn't seem to be the case. //"There is no correlation between the Big 5 and the Myers-Briggs strong enough for it to "spell something out". Really wanna hear the reasoning behind typing him as a 1. I think you’re misunderstanding what I mean by the “ethics etc. To there's that for him being an INFJ. It's not enough. Some of his justifications are not even rooted in logic but instead take the form of impassioned moral imperatives. I'm just asking you to be consistent in the way you type. Maybe it was more useful for his own purposes (leading to a bias behind his categorical system) to basically just consider intellectuals as T's and that way he could focus on E vs I. Both INTJs and INFJs are prone to that disconnected-from-reality-and-existing-data style of discussion and perception because that is how dominant Ni works, being a subjective (introverted) Perceiving function that absorbs information and subjects it to the abstract and synthesizing insights of the psyche. He can come off as argumentative but his motivation are solely by moral concerns for his people and his Ti is used to argue for and about his concerns. I don't think that's the case at all. Carl jung is a kantian. The more you delve into him the more you see that his underlying cognitive orientations are centered around ethics, conscience, society, and human nature — and the brand of logic he employs is more Ti than Te. Cause if so, you're right, I've got some learning to do. be/v76nSSGpACo yeah the more i think about him the more he reminds me of the enfj I know. while I won´t discard INTP or INFJ I´m giving him INTJ. //"What are you talking about. It's not about personal depth but about the depth of the idea. Am I supposed to realize that caring about a country getting fucked up is somehow correlated with a cognitive function. It is absolutely true that Jung himself classified most complex abstract intellectual thinkers as T (especially Ti) types. You came this close to understanding how Peterson is an Ni dom and you fucked it all up because you were molested my some tumblrite when you were a kid. He's obsessed with symbolism and meaning. Pay close attention to the way he delivers his message. I should also point out I'm not a particular fan of his and I disagree with a lot of his beliefs. You can see this type of analyses in pretty much all of his lectures when he isn't dealing with hostile forces. Majority of what I see here is "more likely" or "less likely", instead link me a lecture where he explains that his motivations stem from his desire to "analyze people" or "protect Canada" or anything else you claimed and not from being a completely reasonable person who specialized in the right area. What is the best option for the MBTI type of Jordan Peterson? What about enneagram and other personality types?. But I haven’t enountered one. Okay brilliant, so we're seeing something that helps identify which way the letters are - here, you're basically saying you like to project how you imagine an idea might play out into the future (N) - evaluate it's efficiency/effectiveness (I'd like to know according to what, exactly. Also Dario Nardi's work is biased trash. On this basis specifically and in accoradance to MBTI functions, the presence of Extraverted Sensing, or Se, would explain why. It's associated with Extroversion and given his ability as an expert communicator you can see why. Specifically INFJ since his other functions are dominant Ni and inferior Se. I don't see why an INFJ can't do both especially given their Fe is closer to their Ti given their aux-tertiary positioning. Jung theorized that the dominant function acts alone in its preferred world: exterior for extraverts and interior for introverts.. I think we've spoken before about this. He is clearly a Si dom who makes gullible people think he's sooo smart, and maybe he truly is but at the end of the day he is just an intellectualy fraudolent 6w5 isxj that just makes shit up. //"INFJs have auxillary Fe and unrepressed Ti, they are actually masters at wording their views in a manner that keeps them relatively intact while also soothing the listener. He doesn't want his home country to be dragged into a Communist nightmare that's why he's battling the left up here in Canada. Again, it's complicated. I made that comment to show that above all else Peterson is an Ni dom to clear any misconceptions of him being an xNTP. How does Fe even have a role in your argument. Jung also proposed that in a person one of the four functions above is dominant – either a function of perception or a function of judging.. He's anything but an easy person to type. If an INFJ relies more on comparing and relating different factors than they do on understanding and analyzing people then that means one of three things: either the INFJ is not an INFJ, the whole looping thing (which is probably a load of shit) that would make him nihilistic, neurotic and biased by definition is going into effect or function stacks are just wrong and everything this site is about is a giant fad. Hahaha you're such an idiot, you can't see his Si hahahah. A sizable percentage of them are morally aphoristic and a few of them adopt explicitly Fe attitudes even when a T-like answer would have been perfectly legitimate. He is obviously an INTP. It's more that his drinking came when he was stressed and started to take over his life. Ok I'm sorry for the attacks. There's a difference I'm hoping you'll catch on to here. How did you rediscover the site in its new incarnation. You can see it in his lectures. It's me trying address your deficiency in knowledge. He also have the tendency to being highly argumentative which looks more like Te to me. High in openness, neuroticism, conscientiousness and, as an intersting surprise, "above-average" in agreeableness. Nobody who types him as INTP can utilize evidence from any aspect of his life besides his debating style, because once you do that you will find that he does not in any way resemble a P type. *more of a f thing*dammit The problem with disscerning whether Peterson is an INFJ or not has to do with the inability for common typists to understand how Jungian functions might manifest in real life beahvior and so most are left with bare bones logical descriptions to argue on about. MBTI a whole, including letter MBTI, is a dismissed by the psychologists as a big pseudoscience. Philosophers have theories. And that's what he was doing for decades before he turned into a Youtube celebrity. Please appreciate it. Could be ENTPHis Ti Ne is through the roofThe once-in-a-lifetime INFJ who doesn't happen to be a hard liberal. You pick my words to twist and flip them around, the only thing you're arguing here is semantics. Submissiveness is not the same thing is caring to soothe the tensions of another person. Ventus, you're like, coming back from Iraq only to discover that you're country's been trumped. Ironically if that was your only data point, you *would* classify Peterson as a “vessel of pain and emotion” even if you were going off of simplistic stereotypes. //" and watch this video of him explaining his stance towards religion (which I'm assuming is what you meant with mythicism), dude keeps rambling on going off on tangents and questioning"//. It's as if Fe is superior to his Ti but his Ti is strong enough that it's not an inferior function but it's still under his Fe. Here you can explore of famous people and fictional characters.. A lot of it really fits into the 5's integration and disintegration. @doodlepoodle - Agreed. I'll go for INTJHis Ti and Te are both very developed. Peterson described his troubles through college causing him stress out and begin acholism and other unhealthy Se activites. @scotty - You raise some interesting/good points. tl;dr: I really don't think these little differences in philosophical approach have much place in MBTI discussions (even true Jungians would be using a very low-definition classification tool, as most people would be IT or ET types), except to hypothesize correlations, and that's mainly because what MBTI offers isn't inherently a classification system for philosophical approaches, unless you want to bend it around. And when you do this, he stops resembling an NT and instead resembles an NF with an argumentative streak. Tl;dr Peterson is an INFJ who poses as an INTJ and when doing so exudes some INTP communicative characteristics. a rational who prefers Thinking) above all. In common speak (I hope you understand what that means, we're Westerners after all, we're all socially capable individuals - I hope) or when we speak of things in a conventional sense, hedonism is usually associated with indulging in external sensory activities. lol bruh stop using enneageam Granted, I will say Peterson won the debate. As in this hedonistic drive was too prevalent until he learned how to develop his tertiary function which he then worked on to arrive at where he is at now. For someone driven enough to consider a politcal career and had worked for the NDP party in Canada in his teenage years (he left by18) Peterson's seemingly uncharacteristic lack of control during stressful times and in indulgence in sensory activites seems to indicate he has inferior Se and thus has to have dominant Ni. It's ridiculous mental gymnastics used by people who want everything to be related to functions because they're so messed up MBTI has become their world view, it's not grounded in anything. I'm just asking you to be consistent in the way you type. But the impetus driving his “logical” nature is not an a priori cognitive bias toward reason and logic, but his own values, social perceptions, and conscience. That is why I attempt to strip away the “of course they would be like that” traits from their profession. Which is why I don't mind stuff like functions or Enneagram or other non-empirical personality models - they each create their own universe which you can have your fun with, but when it comes to actually saying "I am looking at their cognition" then all these systems which aren't backed up by evidence are pretty useless to me for that task. Also, Peterson himself doesn't actually approve of MBTI. On the other desire for social harmony or Fe is associated with Agreeableness which Peterson scores above average on (for a man). Over indulgence in senory activities to the point of being irresponsible is conventionally defined as being hedonistic. You don't know how to define human traits and I had to put it in order by defining assertivenss, submisiveness, and it's relation to capacity for social interaction in a consistent manner with MBTI functions. #Knowledge is half the battle. I explained he is being disagreeable out of moral concerns for his country that makes him a feeler - or INFJ specicially if you go by functions. Something someone on Personality Cafe wrote out to try and create a magical link between Myers Briggs and Jung’s functions. We can see this in his his concern for Canada being driven solely about it's moral decay in the future. He is a Te user for sure though. I voted INTP but I can see why others voted INTJ. Because INFJs have auxiliary Fe and unrepressed Ti, they actually are masters at wording their views in a manner that keeps them relatively intact while also soothing the listener. People are so gullible to type him as intx in my opinion. Something Myers mentioned in the MBTI manual. I gave you my reasons for what I think, so give me yours or fuck off, you're a brick wall at this point. Yeah, Teru, why can't you see Peterson's an INFJ. Find the video and you'll see a heavy Ni process most likely Dom. Please appareciate it. Please spare me your function magic here. INFJs use teriary Ti to operate when Ni and Fe aren't doing to the job. I'm just saying if we are to follow what Jung writes about he'd be a Thinking type (i. You haven't made a single argument for what you think is Peterson's type after I made the comment about Fe doms. It's after all his effective communication of logic that backs fairly meanstream ideas and shared frustrations which has launched him into the spotlight. This doesn’t make sense since “feeling” is more intrinsically harmony and tact oriented than “thinking,” which explains the moderate correlation between “feeling” and “agreeableness. Isabel Briggs Myers, a researcher and practitioner of Jung’s theory, proposed to see the judging-perceiving relationship as a fourth dichotomy influencing personality type.. What a gay ass debate you guys are having about this individual who I struggle to find something interesting. If we're saying people like Peterson, Schopenhauer, Wittgenstein, and Bohr are "INFJs" that's fine (outside of the nomenclature which is counterintuitive imo) for a single-purposed classification system geared toward philosophers and scientists. Thinking – Feeling, represents how a person processes information. Thinking means that a person makes a decision mainly through logic.. It seems you know more about Jordan than I do. Dafuq are you people below me even talkin about. Again if you look his analysis of is heavily based upon Fe judgement and Ni projection of outcomes. How do you expect me to argue against that. Fi types in particular would be very averse to believing that human beings are inherently more similar than they'd let on, given they're so invested in individualism. The imperatives you speak of sound more like an unconscious pull involving low-level Feeling alongside an influence from the "subjective factor" and "primordial image/archetypes" that Jung talks about, than an actual Feeling preference. You can clearly see Peterson's Ti poke hole at it. You go around typing everyone you remotely like or agree with as an INFJ, stop the self-masturbation and lay out your reasonsOh yeah, given his approach to the whole gender scenario he seems comes of a pretty disagreeable thinker. Most people rely heavily on one over the other cause they don't really feel they need it. At least letters just measure tendencies for a given time and person. ” comments. However, in the real world, IxFJs are capable of combativeness and disagreeableness if they mature and develop their Fe and Se/Ne along with their Ti - like INFJ Peterson or (maybe) ISFJ Roger Scruton. It's like an intelligence ego boost for them even though they've produced nothing of value. He looks more like a Ni dom to me, he has insights and knows a lot of cool stuff about the things he studies but his logic seems cuestionable at least. You spent so much of your time trying to explain the difference between the ExxJs only to conclude that yes, there is a difference, but I didn't say there isn't, nor did I say that it's completely unlikely for an introvert to deny social harmony or that it's impossible for certain introverted types to be more or less likely to do so than others, just that, on average, it's less likely for introverts than extroverts (but let's ignore that and write an entire thesis on the definition of submissive. If you're upset that certain aspects of the MBTI uses theories that aren't founded on evidence then you shouldn't be wasting time arguing about MBTI (especially, when you guys get off to nonsense like Enneagram). The other thing I’ll say is I actually agree with you about typing people as human beings and not as examples of their profession. If not, guess it's your problem, but I won't be convinced. Rather, I mean that his ethics and conscience are a far more integral component of his underlying cognitive psychology than any of his logical justifications. I'm trying to fix that. Because since INFJs have Ti and not Te, when they attempt to be more logical, i. A Te aux or dom type is more likely to analyze the short comings of Communism/Socialism as an inadequate economic system but wouldn’t dabble much on it’s moral short comings like Peterson does almost all the time. A good place to start if you want to see where INFJ is coming from (I actually forgot to mention this in my original arguments) is his answers on Quora. An equally assertive IxFJ is less caring about social harmony relative to an equally assertive ExFJ. If Peterson took the MBTI test, he probably would test as an INTJ. When I look purely at it I think he is just insane and cannot be typed. Everything I have seen of him is him being strongly argumentative about something without using that much logic. I'm telling you to fuck off because you can't type worth shit. Grips are retarded, loops are retarded. I feel like using stuff like the presence of aphorisms to type people as F is more of a reaction to the lack of definition MBTI has for being used as a tool to categorize philosophical approaches (let's be honest, almost all these people would get NT, specifically leaning to INTJ in MBTI), so if you want to somehow divide philosophers up into different buckets rather than type them as INTJ, then you have to start creating your own rules artificially for sticking people in groupings that don't even reflect their MBTI type (see: CelebrityTypes/IDRLabs). His analysis of neo-Marxist arguments focus his judgements on the people who make them and the outcomes of their mindset (Ni-Fe). There is a fairly strong correlation between “intuition” (especially together with “perceiving”) in MBTI and “openness to experience,” a similarly strong if not stronger correlation between “extraversion” in MBTI to “extraversion” on the NEO-PI-R, a far weaker correlation between “feeling” in MBTI and “agreeableness” on the NEO-PI-R and a similarly weak correlation between “judging” and “conscientiousness. He's not an aimless rambler analyst like an xNTP. As for your comments about differentiating philosophers, I guess we are approaching typology differently. His refusal to conform to the gender pronoun demands can seem inferior Fe or insterestingly Fi which is why people think he is probably an INTJ or INTP. This man has absolutely no Te, he literally just projects all his stupid shit theories into whatever his object of discourse is. In every interview I’ve seen of him he utilizes an assertive and surface-level-objective reasoning style that while generally civil also seems to be marshaling and direct, and unconcerned with packaging its message to soothe or appease its listeners. I don't see F/high Fe because repeatedly denying social harmony in favor of logical consistency does not fit into F/high Fe, nor does hedonism say inferior Se (though please do try to rationalise that in a way that actually holds up), that's the end of it You guys are such retards. And thus you end up with problems like his Introverted Thinking type being INTJ, his Introverted Intuitive type being INxP, his Introverted Sensation type being IxxP, and his Introverted Feeling type being INFx. As for submissiveness, that has more to do with the inability to assert oneself and not necessarily caring to please someone else. This is even true when Peterson is speaking about his ethical values (he effectively says “wait a minute, tough-minded truthfulness is a higher form of kindness than kindness”) and when Peet is speaking about practicality (he effectively says “wait a minute, the pronouns solution IS practical because it’s not that hard and it helps you treat trans people with respect”). First of all, it's a very complex topic and Peterson actually had to make a series of two hour long videos on YouTube dedicated explaining God and the Bible in his Jungian-Campbell mythological way. If you go over the descriptions for individual types in letter MBTI there are contradicting traits and overall demeanors that wouldn't make sense for a personal to have all at the same time. There is no correlation between the Big 5 and the Myers-Briggs strong enough for it to "spell something out". Consistently define Peterson not being a feeler under Jungian functions otherwise there's not much merit to this claim. neither does accusing me of being insane you blithering idiot Oracle, which transgender professer interviewer were you speaking about. He explains how he had strong hedonistic tendencies, problems with alcohol and smoking, even how he had obsessive intellectual pursuits that have taken up most of his life. Peterson is essentially on the attack that's why he's gets as agitated and logical as he does. Again, not necessarily. It's a pretty good example of his Fe coming and being served by his Ti when he tries to deconstruct the intentions of people. Those are two different things you have to understand. It can even seem at times as if Peterson is rambling if one doesn't understand the context he's speaking about, but also very it's step by step because Peterson's other goal is also to be an expert communicator (as he thinks Universities should be place where people come to train their ability to voice their opinions). Peet continually references things like sympathy, tolerance, kindness, and decency while Peterson references practicality, truth, efficiency, and past precedent. I cannot equally be the warm and wise INFJ and be the cold and socially-retarded INTP or the party animal ESFP at the same time. This is why Peterson is an FJ. Thus if they were both Fe types I would expect to see similarities in their underlying cognitive assumptions, despite their differences on the political spectrum. He knows the Communist nightmare it could potentially draw Canada into. They want to bring people together or create a harmonious or morally good society. It makes the most logical sense when you consider his work, motivations, and tendencies as a whole. @admin Why would he score I on the MBTI test. His Fe is skilled enough for effective communication otherwise his lectures wouldn't as engaging as they are. Being asertive and being socially interuptive are not the same things. I feel like for the purpose of making typology meaningful when approaching philosophers, people like CT/IDRL basically created their own rainbow inside of indigo. Yeah, that is what actually happens for inferior Se types. no offense, but Peterson is a totally obvious 1. Simply speaking, dominant Ni/Si makes them trend seekers of society and people. So ENxJ makes the most sense, not ISxJ. Capacity for Extroversion will determine whether you're driven by an introverted or extroverted function, Openness will determine whether you're a sensor or intuitive, Conscientiousness to determine if you have an extroverted judging function in your dom or aux stack, and Agreeableness determines if you have an Fe-Ti stack or Te-Fi stack. If a well-reviewed personality biography of Peterson came out I would value its evidence higher than the interviews. I'm genuinely interested now. It is possible that we are operating under differing assumptions as to what the T/F distinction is. Saying that Schopenhauer is "actually" an "Ni type" presupposes that one classification is correct and Jung is wrong, when no evidence has been produced to give replacement systems (such as one where Schopenhauer is INFJ) any relative legitimacy. I love how this guys idea of "slaying the dragon" is getting a fucking girlfriend,cleaning your room and getting a job promotion. The foundation for the function theory is carl jung. That probably was the source of the confusion. And you're doing it again. It might be because you've already failed trying to assert your position and failed and fighting back will only damage your reputation (if you're a Te-Fi or any other Thinking type for example). You people will find a way to dance your way around any argument made against you using the mental gymnastics of a tumblr kid, claiming shit like "hedonism is inferior Se", as if INxJs are the only types to be able to be hedonistic when things don't go their way, or judgers are even more likely than perceivers to give into hedonistic tendencies (again, explain this). Are you an idiot. I would still type him infj because he definitely seems to view this whole post-modernism as a "disease" and not a normal academic development of things, it's something that is disruptive of the social order which is something that he cares about above even truth, and that's more of a t thing. The fact that you specify his letters means you probably don't type by functions so we're already looking at this from two differing viewpoints. This is maybe the first time I’ve heard of people connecting function stacks to Big 5 traits and you’ve done it in such a way that makes me feel skeptical of how you’ve personally reconciled the relationship between Big 5 traits and the functions, so would you care to explain where you’ve drawn out your claims from. I have seen a clip where he debates a transgender professor on the pronouns issue and the professor actually attempts to build emotional bridges with him and appeals to his sense of sympathy/ethics/properness. His recent debate with Matt Dilahunty pretty much proves Peterson hasnoTe. I doubt most of the people typing Peterson as a T type have seen the video where Peterson starts talking about how his ideas are helping disenfranchised boys and literally bursts into tears. He get's pretty passionate about it and you can really see his Fe come out facially – and it’s not self-expressive like an Fi type but more communicative, accusing, and purposefully subtle like an Fe type might otherwise would. He's an expert communicator but appears to be rambling to everyone who doesn't understand his Ni Vision, of course, and if xNTPs are rambler analysts who never make a point, INFJs are holier-than-thou deluded schizophrenics (hint: they're not). And hedonistic. Hedonism just says inferior Se, really. There’s also the problem of people working off of limited data sets. @Lono so basically you categorized some people as Ni and he reminds you of what they do. There are aggressive Fe types and placid Te types (I’m actually an example of the latter). Stop talking about them. He sees it as some sort of truth instead of an interesting appraoch to reality that an Ne user might demonstrate. Or is he an INTP who's not a total dork. I don't even have a type in function magic lol. //"Introverts are more reluctant to deny social harmony than extraverts in the first place, this as been empirically backed by studies. Why can't you see it. That's why he's such an expert communicator and why his lectures are so enjoyable to watch. I think everyone here knows that about MBTI and I've acknowledged it once before, again in this post, and again right now. Since they are debating decisions (which uses the T/F axis) and are not primarily interpreting, differences between introversion and extroversion would not play a significant part here. If you want to translate that into MBTI you could say he is introverted, an intutive for his openness, a "doer" due to his concientiousness, but also a feeler due to his agreeableness. It makes the theory more consistent under different applications. Can you believe this guy. How INTJs and INFJs differ is how they augment these insights. Because of that, I never think it’s enough to say that a philosopher is a T type because philosophy is a T discipline and he’s really good at it. He was always a future driven intellectualbut I think it shows an inferior function when it starts to hinder oneself. But as I saw more of him, I noticed several inconsistencies with the (I)NTJ hypothesis, which I outlined and addressed above. It makes the most logical sense when you consider his work, motivations, and tendencies as a whole. It's not semanitcs. You're using hoping back and forth from MBTI functions, MBTI letters, and non-MBTI sociological studies. I don't see the ponderous and contemplative energy of an Enneagram 5 in any way whatsoever. I'm trying to enlighten you with my Ni-Fe magic goodness about your emotional issues. They would actually ramble on about the technicalities of their ideas than explain the most important ones and getting to the gist of them like Peterson does. You can see it in the link >https://www. His combativeness driven by his moral concern is an example of a strong Fe being fed by a strong Ti but being lead by a strong Ni. It's as if you don't really get the difference at all. I'm obviously not going to lecture you on who he is or isn't. get off this website boi Really. Having "moral concerns" of a country's future is not correlated with a cognitive function, that's ridiculous. Neuroticism; capacity to fall into negative emotion is something exclusive to Big Five but it's somewhat linked to Agreeableness. And ultimately a lot of it is Jung's "fault" for sort of intermixing social roles and his conception of types. Not only is it unlikely, it goes directly against what Fe in an auxiliary position is supposed to be about, by definition. Also Peterson’s high Big Five Extraversion is mostly due to Assertiveness and not the other traits associated with MBTI E types. Even in function models though, why would someone start from their inferior function and work backwards. Your analysis of E types (not ENFJs since you didn't consider functions) is based off the general assertive nature of extraverts and you confusion of assertiveness with social disruptiveness and concluding the same would apply to all E types regardless of function dynamics. However, only INFJ accurately describes his underlying cognitive orientation. They're not as driven as Fe doms to create a stable system of ethics for a group of people. Peterson sees truth in them through some Ni-Fe justification and thinks Jungian-Campbell mythological archetypes are cross cultural means of expressing ideas and creating lessons regarding the human conditions. Please appreciate it. Why do you consistently try to explain the entire theory instead of simply giving your reasons for typing the guy. So I understand perfectly why people think he's an INTP or INTJ. Since the MBTI is a psychometric assessment used to approximate one’s cognitive functions (and not a simple behavioristic exam like the Big Five), I don’t think it’s enough to notice that philosophers generally exude NT behavior. ExTJs are the most combative extraverts they care the least about social harmony. Anti-communist sentiments can done by many types of individuals, in particular by more conservative SJ types but also other NT or SP types as well (the least by Fi dom or aux types). ExTJs assert their own desires to attain what they want. It's about, as strawberry said, "just logial consistency between how you decide someone's MBTI type and the means you use to get there". INFJ by function undoubtly. It’s of particular note because the transgender professor (Peet) approaches the interview in the way a typical Fe type would. You observed Peterson being disagreeable and assumed that makes him a "Thinker" (or a type with Te/Ti in their dom/aux position). i don't know why some people can believe he is a Te aux or even a thinker. Peterson is not. INFJ seeming like an INTP/J or ISTP). He, like most ideological advocates of "trans-rights" are referring to "kindness, tolerance, and decency" to try and guilt-trip people into adhereing to trans-pronouns laws. @scotty - ah I see what you are saying. Inferior Se, because it's less developed than dom/aux/ter Se is most likely manifest unhealthily and therefore be described as hedonistic. It doesn't proof anything and I'm sorry to tell you but 'ad hominems' are as much used for idiots as by idiots. They are far more likely to fight and disrupt social gathering. And no, Peterson, unlike an xNTP, isn't interested in exploring subjective impersonal ideas as signified by Ti and Ne, but instead uses Ti as a means to analyze people and derive lessons to teach to his audience; his capacity to compare and contrast with Ti *serves* his Fe desire to analyze and understand people. They're very analytical and goes from point to point. Ni tries to get to the core of Fe ethics and behavior to descern it's meaning and intentions and thus it's poential consequences. It defeats the point of having one type. "His crusade against non-gender pronouns isn't actually a result of not wanting to be conform due to inferior Fe or impeding agianst his values of an Fi but very an Ni-Fe drive to protect Canada from what he envisions as a terrible Marxist dystopia in it's future. Jung used the words "concrete" and "abstract" to describe E and I respectively, but then MBTI asks "solid" vs "abstract" as an S vs N question. It is clear that there is a subjective buffer between Peterson’s own psyche and reality, in that he subjects reality to his own internalized impressions rather than the other way around. Are you real Trying to type this man can only bring us madness. dichotomies are for dich suckers How do you net see his Fe. He wouldn’t need to be a T type to enjoy uncontroversial academic success in this field. Annoying* @Ventus about differentiating philosophers, didn't they find their way into the philosophy discipline though. He also is very argumentative and blunt and does not seem to be concerned with tact. All you can back up in this entire mess of an analysis is that "Fe users are concerned with harmony" which Peterson isn't, and that "Te types are concerned with implementing a set of personal objectives based on practical rules", which doesn't even apply to his type, since you're not using it to argue for it. It's has all the indicators inferior Se manifesting as it comes out during stressful times and shows up as unhealthy habits. And for those that see Ti, that is not unusual for INTJs, in fact it's pretty common for types to be good at their 5th and 6th function. Its not much but enough to atleast justify using it and taking it into consideration. I know it's not a 1 to 1 match but ENTJ is a way better guess than INTP based on "INTPs you know". I’m not only using it to refer to ideas directly put forward by Jung himself. And if you claim Peterson is an INFJ because he sees that PC culture isn't exactly taking society in a positive direction, then how do you back it up when applying it to other people who share his beliefs. Peterson roundly rejects all of these overtures and plows on unwaveringly with his arguments rooted in logic. No, the presence of extraverted perceiving functions would (start to) explain why, there are hedonistic intuitives who don't even have Se in their stack. He sees what the university intellectuals and government officials want to do with restricting free speech and he's simply putting his foot down to do what is thinks is in the best interest of Canadians. He appeals to the object quite well, maybe not in the "appeal to the intellectual process" sort of way that Sam Harris does but I do think overall there's a pretty strong case to be made for him having a good amount of Ti but not in a way where the subjective factor predominates in a way actually seen in IT types. He had to summarize his beliefs by saying "I act as if God exists" to cut across the complexities of the intentions and lesser understandings of atheists and agnostics who might try to use his belief in God to discredit him. //"I score extremely similar to Peterson (and my girlfriend, who's an actual INFJ), does that make me an INFJ. The pressures of school started to deeply affect him and a life of partying numbed him and made him unhealthy. However, for the modern conservative rebel, Peterson is seen as a father-figure and a savior of the Enlightenment values that made the West what it is today. Keep in mind MBTI was not made by Jung but two women who tried to find ways of organizing women into specific jobs during WWII, neither of whom I believe were Ni-Fe users (I believe Isabel Meyers was INFP but I don't remember Catherine's). ENFJ, being an extroverted judger, is more likely to interrupt social gatherings to forward themselves than an INFJ is. Is he not careful to avoid presenting things that may lose him some of his following. Kant is a philosopher. His books are a joke. Same somewhat applies to lower Ne in xSFJs. Teru, you don't really understand functions. He's demonstrated a pretty hardcore Ti and is one of the reasons why his lectures are so enjoyable. I don't care about your deluded bigger picture, I made that clear from the start, I think he's not a feeler and you're not making sense. //"It's not grounded in anything"//. He firsts his vision first and foremost and puts social harmony second that's why he's an INFJ. This is why I have break down my thoughts so precisely. The reason why Peterson is not an extravert despite his relatively high Big Five Extraversion is because he does not fit the Jungian/MBTI definition of extraversion.

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MBTI enneagram type of Jordan Peterson Realm:

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TOTAL MBTI VOTES: 61


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TOTAL ENNEA VOTES: 24


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Jordan Peterson most likely MBTI type is INFJ, while enneagram type is 5W4.

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