J.R.R. Tolkien Myers-Brigs type - MBTI, enneagram and personality type info
Tolkien is defined by his personal emotional convictions, whimsy, relatively unstructured nature, and vivid, expansive imagination, all of which are more often INFP traits than INFJ traits. Regardless of his MBTI, I think he's enneagram 6. Coming back to it, I think in the 4 function model this guy had to be ISFJ: Si-Fe-Ti-Ne. I wrote about this in the J. For INFJs ideas come first then social graces. Ugh, he's one of those difficult types. His ideas are also heavily based on mythology and history (interests that suggest Fe in the first place) rather than Ne. None that I ever knew. INTJs are interested in ideas and theories when observing the world.. Intuitives focus on a more abstract level of thinking; they are more interested in theories, patterns, and explanations. They are often more concerned with the future than the present and are often described as creative. I do admit I might be a little out of my water here if you've had a long and detailed discussion already. To a lesser extent, no way near close to Tolkien, GRR also made Dotrakhi(. I still see INFP above INFJ. Doesn't really work simply because their interests are not similar. That said I agree with Ventus413. As has been mentioned before he was prone to conservatism and elitism. He also said that ''Spiritual principles are corrupted by attempts to mechanize and formalize them. Tolkien's imaginary work is very "straightforward" and "solid". You can have fantasy writers of any type. @Ventus413 @impeccable: Convincing arguments. Right, I agree. It's true, not all INFP are good at writing complex characters, but even than they still try to focus on the internal emotional reactions of the characters (Edgar Allan Poe) or the effect that world has on the character's psyche (Kafka), Tolkien just puts some character in a world and doesn't seem to be about their internal state. And inferior Ne makes little sense given quotes like "a single dream is more powerful than a thousand realities. That is actually an argument I would use for my perspective. Yes and INFPs can appear SJ at times due to their tertiary Si, which further supports that he was INFP, not INFJ. Beliefs, rituals, lifestyle and such sort has nothing and I repeat nothing to do with Jungian types and cognitive functions. Fe is not a behavior; it is a cognitive function. INTP would make more sense than INFJ. There's nothing you said that wasn't combated below, and your just repeating. he was patriotic, an opponent to modernism, to freedom of thought, to free will, for divine right of Kings, against technical progress. Lewis about writing fantasy was more important to him than actually writing it. His personality was anti-Ne. GRRM actually just made up select phrases when he needed them for the plot. (Ni+Ti) Compare him to GRRM or Neil Gaimain's twisting, surprising stories. *detailed writing prioritized over anything else /I think an ISFJ under the influence of inferior Ne would superficialy resemble an INFP, since they're both IxFx but the unnatural Ne gives superficial NP characteristics. But you're correct that he's a feeler. And yes Tolkien is an INFP based on his emotional conviction and amiable personality however what defines INFPs along with their strong emotional convictions is their intrinsic strength of creating such worlds with such strong imaginations. If you enjoyed this entry, find out about the personality types of Writers characters list.. What would you say against that. Discover Array, and more, famous people, fictional characters and celebrities here!. I don't see why inventing languages can't just be Ne, specially when you mention he did those thing just for fun. Tolkien's genre doesn't allow for overly complex individual characters even though his world is Ne-Si and the man himself is brimming with deep feelings. Tolkiens Ne-Si seems to be at work here. More likely an INFJ, with strongs SFJ leanings. So I don't see why an INFP fantasy writer can't put that kind of Fi emotionality in his works. " On the other hand Tolkien seems to have tempered C. I would say Tolkien is more INFP because the language he made is for his personal satisfaction than Martin who uses it primarily for plot :pHe wrote 'slowly' because every time he should have given the book for publishing already, he wanted to add something more to it. whats the rationale behind it. I agree that he seems to have a lot of Si but that too isn't uncharacteristic of many INFP authors. is the clear Ni-dom and Tolkien the non-Ni dom. Anyway, the issue with INFJ vs INFP debate is that no one gave a convincing argument either for Ni-dom or Fi-dom. From what I understood, he over-does with detail. he was very patriotic and sociable, he liked social events and team sports, he was paternalistic and wrote santa claus lettets to his children. Lewis, who wrote similar stories but was an INTJ: much more focused and forceful. How does all that explain INFJ. That sounds more Ne, not knowing when to stop. Overall, I don't see any strong argument either for Ni-dom or Fi-dom yet, so I'm pretty much lost when it comes to him. org/wiki/Dothraki_language#DevelopmentINFPs can be very idiosyncratic and eccentric in their pursuits. Lewis's haywire Te and converted him to Christianity (Fe). I think having tavern talks with C. '', which goes contrary to the INTPs rational approach to value judgements issues, so I don't see INTP. Even if not directly tested, public voting can provide good accuracy regarding J.R.R. Tolkien Myers-Briggs and personality type!. I also don't think Tolkien is very Ne. He also created entire working languages based on the worlds he had created because he was so emotionally attached to his ideas. ) getting up in the middle of a church sermon and chastising the priest for talking in English so that the other people in the church can understand. Nothing pinpoints INFJ. Just because right now I am disagreeing with you doesn't mean you aren't right. Keep your assessments coming :p I like your ideas. I also recommend reading about C. The only real issue is like you say his simplification of morality. I've never read a biography by Tolkien, and I haven't touched his books since my early teens. Rowling thread, but I believe Tolkien was INFJ. I'm surprised people think C. It's even a little mean for a language professor with Fe. This right here is how typology should be discussed. I wouldn't count out INTP though. And you are totally avoiding Tolkien's emotional involvement with his work. How does all that explain INFJ. ] disliked the Narnia series, feeling it was both theologically heavy-handed and artistically slapdash [. And how and why is an INFJ technophobe. INJs and ISJs don't really fit. Here you can explore of famous people and fictional characters.. Te-aux makes little sense when you contrast him with his actual Te-aux contemporary C. INFJ authors usually tend to focus on human society, its complexities and effects on humans and all that interplays and while they might enjoy LOTR very much, it's unlikely they'll create such a broad world and big world, it sounds like unrepressed Ne-Si. Disagreement happens. None of the evidence you've given proves Fe or a lack of Ne. This personality type is highly individualistic and Champions strive toward creating their own methods, looks, actions, habits, and ideas!. Quoting an online article: "Tolkien [. I pretend to be no authority on his MBTI, lol. Yeah, I see that, the thing is an argument often given against INFP and one that I haven't found any counter-argument for yet, is that his characters are not very complex, they're the good characters and the bad characters (maybe one or two except, but that's the rule) while an INFP would see the bad and good in most and thus write more morally complex characters. Ne and Fe are cognitive functions, not behaviors. Fi-Dom, period. Honestly I don't understand why anyone would think he was an INFP aside from the assumption that all fantasy writers are INFP. BUT, I just can't in my wildest imagination imagine an INFP (. A lot of them play technical board games, etc. While ISTJ would be my second choice as he exhibits both strong Fi and Si, I don't see how one could justify either Te-aux or inferior Ne for him. "I think Si-dom is not impossible for him, when we take into account that studying mythological legends was one of his specialities, and he basically put what he knew inside an idyllic ISxJ like fantasy world. One thing I feel is important that I forgot to mention: It might very well be very Ne to go, "Hey, I'm going to make my own fictional language. His real life was church, his job, etc. ) language and that language (with some help) is also pretty developed. You are in the best place to test MBTI and learn what type J.R.R. Tolkien likely is!. Quotes are not conclusive to determine one's type but they sure are persuasive. The languages used in the television show were made by professional linguists hired by HBO https://en. Cognitive functions are not behaviors and can't explain everything. Si: excessively detailed writing trump over anything; Fe: his world seem to be about a perfect rural community (the Hobbits) faced with threats to its idylic life-style; Ti: creating an invented language with it's own set of rules. When their Si is strong, which usually is in many INFP authors they can come up with such elaborations. His characters and morality is also rather simple and straightforward for an INFP, clearly derivative of his community's belief and presented with little hesitation or willingness to explore the dark side in any serious manner. Though I do agree that on a macro level, Fe types are as a whole the most stereotypically kind and sociable. NJs are purposeful, and NPs more likely to engage in useless endeavors. INFJs aren't conformists, they just accommodate opposing ideas easily. To find out what your MBTI personality type is you need to complete the MBTI questionnaire and take part in a feedback session from a qualified MBTI practitioner.. Tolkien is an INFP because he exhibited strong emotional convictions and was quiet, kind, and relatively unstructured. I have to admit I didn't read the previous comments very closely either, but just gave reasons I thought he was an INFJ. Yes what is purported to be reasons for INFJ are explained by Fi-Si in an INFP. Si-Ne would make most sense, but like Ventus quoted, he put imagination above reality so that doesn't sound like an SJ, who pride themselves with being realists (even when they live in a fantasy world made from myths and tradition, they actually pride with being 'realists'). In this site you can find out which of the 16 types this character 'J.R.R. Tolkien' belongs to!. Lewis was Ni-dom (heavy symbolic meaning) and Tolkien was not (opposition to anything but ''telling a story''), were far stronger than ''interest in mythology''. Finally Tolkien has that "Fe" Jane Austen/Rowling/Dickens thing where he depicts big parties and gives you a fuzzy feeling in your tummy because it feels like you're a part of a big family for a while, etc. The fact that he wrote imaginative and idiosyncratic stories is more circumstantial evidence than direct evidence. INTJs or other types can do the same however it comes naturally to INFPs and ENFPs. Lewis (Fi) was religious after all. I am more interested in why Tolkien wrote what he wrote and his emotional connection with it all. Fi types can choose to religious, spiritual and even dogmatic, the only difference is they choose to do so on their own wish instead of societal pressure. What you explained here generally relates to SJs typically. Welcome to MBTIBase - PersonalityBase, here you can learn about J.R.R. Tolkien MBTI type.. I'd have to agree with Ventus413 on this one. Maybe it was a conscious decision. In return Lewis is said to have inspired the talking trees (a very Fi idea). Lewis's (INFP) and Tolkien's relationship, which seems to me the typical kind of "hot and cold" relationship this pairing will tend to have. and a quick Google search on Tolkien's quotes and ideas will prove that he wasn't as closed minded as you mentioned instead he sought adventure. A Ni-dom would probably have some idea in his mind of the book he wants to write and the way he wants to finish it, and thus be sure that he wrote is good at is without further changes. And being anti-progress and anti-modernism could just as easily be a result of his inferior Te as it could be a lack of Ne. But you are right that he was INFP. But maybe it's a Si things as well, Si is more about creating a personal framework of one's life, and since he always dealt with mythology, it eventually came to make up his personal life style so much that he identified with myths as something real in his life. Introverted Intuition is all about symbols and abstract ideas and we know Ni is the most abstract of all cognitive functions. But like bobnickmad the only thing I am sure of is NeSi, with respect to LOTR. " To sit there for hours, days, months tinkering with made-up grammar and obscure etymologies. He was too absorbed in the world he made, he was emotionally indulged in it. Lewis who was more focused, rigid, and forceful than he was. Ti-heavy hobbies like this are fairly common among INFJs in my experience. INTP would be possible, but in some quotes he says that feelings makes more sense than logic for him, so I guess that means he is a Feeler, and therefore a INFJ. To Tolkien it seems to me to mostly have been just a game (Ni+Ti), judging from how slowly he wrote, how little he cared about being published, etc. Fi with Ne makes idiosyncratic and imaginative stories like Lord of the Rings. I wouldn't expect all INFPs who set out to write fantasy epics to end up writing morally complex character studies in the process, so that's not a definitive point against INFP. @butterfly, no you're providing an interesting perspective, something worth looking into. Though Fe types would be more likely to do the things you mentioned, maybe, none of that evidence is direct Fe evidence and certainly is not enough to preclude INFP. The only issue is him talking about dreams over reality. He has reportedly said that his work is important to him more because of his emotional attachment to them than of the idea behind it. Tolkien mentions that he dislikes allegories. He was routine bond, extremely conservative, and clearly Fe. It seems to me like his world is mostly derived from him playing around with myths, old stories, etc. Lewis (Fi) was. And clearly more Fe than Ne. If we have to somehow stereotype the things you have mentioned then they only point to SJs (Gross generalisation Btw. He said he is more concerned with his feelings than gis ideas. The fact that Tolkien doesn't focus on the depth of characters but rather how they play in the mystical world is causing doubts on his INFPness but it is even more unlikely for an INFJ to create a big fictional world just because they love it. So he was INFJ, not INFP. Just maybe he wanted something big and close to him but yet separate from his own sensitivities. The thing is that I don't think Tolkien was very passionate about his writing the same way C. Maybe because he didn't choose to write a tragic story. (Fe) That is my *impression* of him. Also conservatism and religion isn't just Fe. And as you've all been saying there is little Fi in his books. Kindness and sociability have little to do with Fe specifically, and both Fe and Fi can explain why someone is kind and sociable. INFJs engage in the general human complexity while INFPs make individual characters with alot of depth and nuance. The problem with comparing Kafka and Poe to Tolkien is they're really not similar in terms of literary style/genre, it's like trying to type George Lucas by comparing his films to David Lynch's. Jung theorized that the dominant function acts alone in its preferred world: exterior for extraverts and interior for introverts.. Most INFP authors show similar tastes in their fiction writing. Anyway, I will discuss the points you make against my post. Fi doms are circumstantially the most creative and "weird/strange" types. Thinking – Feeling, represents how a person processes information. Thinking means that a person makes a decision mainly through logic.. Function wise, ISFJ make much more sense than either INFP (no Fi-dom characteristics in his writings), INTP (no detached system analyst) or INFJ (detail over abstractions). Ni-doms are unlikely to create fictional worlds for their own sake, they're more purpose-full. Though I agree Tolkien was INFP, I disagree with your rationale. What is the best option for the MBTI type of J.R.R. Tolkien? What about enneagram and other personality types?. As for conservatism and religion, I agree. SJs types are generally more patriotic on average than other types but nothing precludes an INFP to be a patriot, or value tradition (Fi-Si). Plus Ne is evidently there. I was saying it's not enough evidence alone to make Tolkien unequivocally an xNFP (he seemed pretty certain in his original post). Certainly not an INFP.
. I think Tolkien's aim was to write a fantastical story dealing with the subject he liked, the mythology. I don't think his feeling was suppressed like in INTPs, he was either Fe-aux or strong Fi tertiary, but Fi-dom doesn't really seem like it. The arguments giving here why C. I wouldn't say that's an argument against INFP though. It's just that Martin is less interested in that. As for a clear INFP fantasy writer in my mind: Hans Christian Anderson, stories bleeding with tragic/romantic feeling with crazy and unique imagination. Lewis is INTJ, because that's not my impression of him at all, but honestly it's been too long since I was into him and I don't feel confident defending my INFP typing. Tolkien was also a man who would would make up fictionalized languages and background stories he wouldn't necessarily use, just for fun. It's not necessary for an INFP with complex psyche to write overly complex characters especially when writing something like LOTR. If he's an INFP, then that could explain why his Si was so strong.
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