Lou Reed Myers-Brigs type - MBTI, enneagram and personality type info
No INTP ever would put forth something as lacking in substance and thought as art, except for in a parodical sense. I would have really liked to have met him. ISTP 6s are so serious they don't have a sense of humour. Also it stems from him being an Enneagram 5. His score on agreeableness on the Big Five would be like 0. They're mind-numbingly boring people who like to work a lot and love routines. ll play, and I. 6-4-8: the truth teller. (This is Andy). He was way too concerned with how his music was perceived and always trying to make a statement with his music interacting with the outside world. One of us was even here on the Leonard Bernstein Scholarship. Also TJ if you know anything about him. @scotty Also, the ENTJ's sense of humor is almost as dry as their usual conversations. The idea that he is ExFJ is frankly comical to me. Metal Machine Music is a perfect example of why not. The idea of him talking about how he learned from his professor "with the simplest language imaginable, and very short, you can accomplish the most astonishing heights" shows that those aspects of his interview demeanor that you mention can't be seen as evidence of his natural personality, but also that he thought of his communicative strategy very strategically. Maybe I should've said the ideal *popular* musician. He would be low conscientiousness even though he seems to extrovert judging on MBTI scaleLou Reed paid a lot of attention to social norms and was bothered by that and used his music as a medium for expressing that. He had addiction problems as well as huge neurotic issues - depression and anxiety. Though even within function theory I can still make a better case for INTP than ENFJ. t know what to do. But if you listen to his solo career, his music sounds modern. He had that neuroticism underneath, but type 7 makes more sense regarding the fact that he was involved in so many different projects. s weird the way things work. I'm not saying necessarily he's an INTP, but your argument as it stands is highly flawed, bud. I think he fancied himself as a thinker but was really a feeler. You're jumping in at the wrong time here. ll show movies. Discover Array, and more, famous people, fictional characters and celebrities here!. And "Hey babe, take a walk on the wild side" is essentially an anthem for Se. Totally opposite. t get jobs anywhere, but we had this material, and eventually we played a dive. Even if not directly tested, public voting can provide good accuracy regarding Lou Reed Myers-Briggs and personality type!. I have a week at the Cin. But why should he give off that message with his verbal language and body language. I also feel like type 7 ISTPs are the ones more likely to enjoy crude humor, the way Lou did. You are in the best place to test MBTI and learn what type Lou Reed likely is!. T is by far his strongest letter, and while I once thought INTJ was possible, I see that P is likely his second strongest. You fancy yourself an INTP, right. I think you're making some (hilariously off base) claim based on a personal attitude, and projecting that as far as the eye can see. Not saying that you wouldn't have some points for your case, but a lot of what you said was fallacious. I really can't see how Lou could possibly an INTP. He tried to capture the raw emotion of performance in the studio, rather than focus on composition and construction of something with fascinating structure by itself. ' "typo: *Notice how in the quote he doesn't deludeNotice how in the quote he doesn't elude to his getting recognized being due to "hard work" and "perseverance". He *learned* how to project the image he wanted to project. xNTPs are known as the ultimate trolls for a reason. Here you can explore of famous people and fictional characters.. Not all, not most of them, but definitely not something unheard of. Now that I think about it, INTP is a possibility. Even still, there is evidence to believe Metal Machine Music was a ironically a parodic work, which would contradict your logic. He was just a really cool guy. I also am not convinced that he didn't "literally not care" about social norms, because I don't think he gave a flying fuck and have never seen a shred of evidence that he did. I'm with idlebody herr. Even in his worst times, his Te still wouldn't let go as he made stuff happen. He's also clearly intuitve. Loyal to their peers and to their internal value systems, but not overly concerned with respecting laws and rules if they get in the way of getting something done. Detached and analytical, they excel at finding solutions to practical problems.. We played these dives like no one else. His actual behavior, rather than his stage demeanor, are what reveal that he is an ENTJ 8 above all though. I watch this video of Lou and it immediately reminds me of bigol and pikup. What is the best option for the MBTI type of Lou Reed? What about enneagram and other personality types?. Metal Machine music wasn't a parody. This isn't authenticity that you're looking at. He was obsessed with aesthetics and essentially replacing thought and structure with raw feeling by taking a barebones primitive approach. INTP generally just don't care. It will be obvious. Honestly your typing is a painfully obvious example of someone confused by a misunderstanding of the already unreliable and quacky function theory and missing the mark big time as a result. Lou was definitely an INTP. John Cale: "Lou was a lot of fun. And 3 out of 4 of us were college graduates, of all things. I know tons about him. " So you agree Lou was an INTP then. No way he was an INTP. INTP generally just don't care. His parents could not control his ambitions as a high school teenager to play in the city as a musician. in Classical English Literature. I'm talking about putting on an act that gets through to people. I don't get INTP at all. s what I have been doing since I was 9. Three chords and you're into jazz. Go read some anecdotes from people who knew him. " This seems to be him throughout his life when he was healthy. 7s like to try new things. v=goneaNUv-ScAs shown by all his neurotic traits, he was clearly someone who did care, and did give a fuck, about basically everything. Introverts generally aren't impulsively-acting-out jerks for no reason. The main reason I think he has no chance of being INTP is because his approach is the antithesis of precision and also not a more constructional approach to composing music. Let's put some mittens on to prevent you from typing for a second. I had read somewhere that ostrich feathers were supposed to be popular, so I wrote a song called The Ostrich. He was just a guy who liked to jam with his friends and he met the right person at the right time who made him get noticed. "Not all ENTJs are like that. @scotty I'm not sure about his tritype, but I agree with bigol that it's more likely Lou was 7w6. In this site you can find out which of the 16 types this character 'Lou Reed' belongs to!. Lou Reed was as far from an "Fe Dom" as humanly possible - that is, a To dom. You gave me a headache. Two chords are pushing it. I have a week. He shouldn't be judged as an introvert by his anxiety. ISTP that I know are nothing like that and kind of nerdy, if anything. ENFJs are by the way probably one of the most agreeable, expressive, enthusiastic and friendly types so. In the words of his sister "His charisma, his charm, his wit, his intellect were undeniable and seductive to everyone who knew him well. I still can't see him as anything except ENTJ, and probably a phobic 8 too. On the other hand, my best friend is an ISTP and I know and am related to several other IxTP types. Oren Ambarchi, Kevin Drumm, John Wiese, Jorge Luis Borges. Lou is much, much closer to them in every way. Reed is a weird case in comparing MBTI and big 5. So much so that some times I feel like I can even re-experience the early-70 with him. They're the type of people that love to talk about work. I think that introverts are likely to shine in the studio and extroverts on the stage. most ISTP i know in irl are the chillest and the nicest people I know ofGood quote idlebody, he was definitely a P type and ISTP fits the most. Lou Reed, on the other hand, has a very ISTP sense of humor. When he got to college, he had mostly recovered although he continued to use drugs. Nothing beats 2 guitars, drum and bass. Andy adopted us. It was a troll move because Lou didn't give two shits about what anyone thought and deliberately was hostile towards his fans. He seems like a pretty obvious Ti-dom in interviews, but I can't see the Ne. Dick, David Byrne, both guys from Autechre. And he was the antithesis of the "ideal popular musician. All of this is unnecessary and redundant (victory by induction and all that), as a single INTP would undo your far too black and white generalization. While I was writing this crappy stuff, I was also writing my own stuff. we needed a drummer. Sterling was going for his M. The opposite of dominant Fe.
. Did I hope to get recorded. And if this isn't the most xSTP thing I've ever heard. htmlCompelling argument REALBIGCHEEKlou reed is definitely not INTP. Jung theorized that the dominant function acts alone in its preferred world: exterior for extraverts and interior for introverts.. " He was iconoclastic, intellectual, detached, withdrawn, eccentric, impulsive, cold, hard, and had a dry/witty/twisted sense of humor. He learned a lot from Warhol (likely another Fi dom)I think he's an INFP. Welcome to MBTIBase - PersonalityBase, here you can learn about Lou Reed MBTI type.. When ENTJs talk, they sound like textbooks. We get a much more accurate reading of who Lou was by simply saying he was an introvert, open/intuitive, disagreeable/thinking, and perceiving/low conscientiousness. They seem more serious and purposeful than that. If you want to hear what ENFJ music sounds like, listen to fucking U2. He relished chaos and intellectual novelty. That was the end of it, but by then we had become a. That means he's ENxx. Very likely a 5w4 iconoclast as well. Because if you are using that statement to argue Lou is an ENFJ, then you prove you know absolutely fuck all about Lou Reed. I think recollecting your thoughts might help. I just mean any trend setter who gains a following such as Reed. Also his charisma he transmits in his music is a very "I don't care, I don't give a fuck", cool but laid back, not trying too much, kind of way, not the forcefull and purposfull Te charisma. What trytipe do you think he was. But I'm interested in hearing your views on the matter (perhaps use Reed as an illustrative example so the thread stays on topic). And this is all assuming that MBTI function theory is valid of course. Lou Reed interview from 2002: "They needed other members to say it was a group and that. To start with your claim about INTPs and art: No. ENFJ is a far more ridiculous typing for Lou than ISTP by the way so. Also, Metal Machine Music WAS DEFINITELY parodical. That makes him an extrovert. They are as far from Lou Reed in demeanor, behavior, and thought process as possible. And I don't particularly fancy myself to be any type except xNxP; I just told people what I got on test results. If you enjoyed this entry, find out about the personality types of Music and Music Industry characters list.. Was there any plan. I'm going to go with ENFJ. Not Se, Te: taking control of the environment and shaping it as he wanted to. INFJs are visionaries and idealists who ooze creative imagination and brilliant ideas.. LOU REED as an F AND a J type. But when he was there, he was a very busy student who juggled so many things - he started his own band, his own radio show, was involved in a lot of subversive stuff on the side, but still found a way to graduate with honors. im INTP lou is definitely notAlso this whole idea about ISTP "coolness" - the way I see it, it's just rooted in fictional portrayals of Clint Eastwood types.
. But he was such a domineering perfectionist. Yes it is well known that he was very neurotic with a lot of anxiety issues, but I think that could've been a reaction to how he was bullied in a really rough junior high school. Lou is NJ with his own vision of where he wanted to see his musical career go, so he "talked like an ISTP" to make it happen. They are extroverted, idealistic, charismatic, outspoken, highly principled and ethical, and usually know how to connect!. called The Velvet Underground. Really just like more practical minded INTP. When ENTJs figure out that they can get what they want using a certain method, they will continue to use it. Not sure if an INTJ would release Metal Machine Music just to screw with people. Someone asked me a question and I answered it. And there we were. He's intuitive, and Se user but not inferior (or maybe Ne dom who can look like Se users). Even his music is a reflection of his ENTJ concerns (the dangerous consequences of technology on mankind): https://www. In his own words, "One chord is fine. I think INTPs make great musicians in their own way, but it's just not in the way Lou Reed made music. Then I ran into Sterling Morrison on the subway. He had that inferior Fe which made him not very talkative, always keeping his answers to interviewers short and blunt. s when we found John Cale. James, Thomas Pynchon, Vladimir Nabokov, David Cronenberg, Philip K. He emulated a few older R/B styles, like "I Found A Reason" or certain riffs that can be heard on "White Light/White Heat". s a weird conglomeration. the feedback made the people at radio stations think the record was defective and they sent it back. And his VU songs were some of the earliest examples ever of pushing the boundaries of "appropriate" song lyrics, not to mention songs like "Heroin" simply described things in a very objective manner without making a judgment one way or the other on them. His withdrawn nature comes from his Fi and distaste for journalists in general. "ENFJ are one of the most aggressive types at defining social norms. How does he use Si. Dominant Fe conforms to social norms. Being an intuitive, the ENFJ type also has nothing about being "appropriate". There are plenty of INTP artists, and INTPs frequently value art. Why would Lou Reed continue pretending to be an ISTP long after becoming famous. que (which is now the Anthology Film Archives on Second Street). You really think there are many INTP-testing people that would have his temperament. ISTP fits him better than anything else. ENTP is somewhat possible, but I seriously doubt it. Oh right didn't even think about that. Even in the midst of his high school struggles, he was observed to be a very focused person and formed his own bands. Was there any goal. ENFJ may actually be the most ideal type for musicians, but nobody ever types them as such because all musicians are somehow introverts no matter what which leads to ridiculous typings like ISTP for Reed. No translating to Big Five he is INTP, because he also would be ridiculously low conscientiousness. Let's assume at least one of these guys isn't "parodying" art. INTP fits best, followed by ENTP, INTJ and ISTP. I don't know much about Reed himself but @Scotty, why do you say ENFJ is the ideal musician type. Lou ReedDespite what Scotty wants you to think, ISTPs can be quite notorious for their bad temper and impulsive actions while under the influence of their repressed Fe. I would have thought Fi doms would be the ideal musician types because of their focus on inner, sincere, individualized emotional expression. " Then I really just see the same trends continuing throughout his musical career. He doesn't refer to those other projects as "work" either, just stuff he felt like doing for fun. The way he speaks in interviews is very ISTP, concis and aphatic, he doesn't feel the need to explain himself or his project too much. The T vs F dichotomy still doesn't really make sense to me so I'm just going to switch to ENTJ and shrugAlso I have to ask: Have you ever actually MET an Fe-dom. He was no Jz and sure as fuck was no FJ. Yes he was blunt, but bluntness with a purpose. com/2015/11/01/fashion/who-was-the-real-lou-reed. Close call between those two, but no way was he ISTP. While definitely an accomplished studio musician, Reed still seems to me to have been more of a "performer" even in the studio. Clearly you know very little about Lou. A good example of an ENTJ is Damon Albarn. ISTP are very chill, but when unhealthy xSTP (and maybe SPs in general) might enjoy starting fights to ''cool off'' or something. He just did what he wanted to do, regardless of how it was perceived or what anyone thought about him. I literally just laughed out loud when I read that. ENTJs are "no nonsense" people. I was just writing. I also don't know why you seem to believe he extroverts judging and is an Ni type. Are you SURE you're not confusing Lou Reed for Bono. They are so different than ISTP 7s they should be a different type entirely. Because based on what you have said I really don't think we're talking about the same person. At the very least he's obvious an Ni type (xNxJ)if you're going to define the T/F paradigm as "Agreeableness" then yes Lou would be a T, but that is not what it is on the MBTI scale even though the correlation may be high. ll get lights. Overall, he embodies that ultra-cool, not give-a-fuck attitude in music better than anyone else. An INTP wouldn't get 2 minutes into recording something like that. Complete and total opposite of Lou Reed in every way. He enjoyed taking situations to extremes you couldn't imagine until you'd been there with him. If you were to translate big 5 categories he would be an INTJ. Not really, just playing. As for typing Reed as a J, maybe you can look at your ever-so-confident declaration: "Also TJ if you know anything about him. And, yes, his rage was lethal and unforgiving. and his friend Jim Tucker had a sister named Maureen who loved to play drums and had a car, and that was it: The Velvet Underground. "He was definitely NOT an INTP. He had no big vision he wamted to fulfill, no grand scheme he sought to complete, no social change he wanted to bring about. v=qm8n0vhVJcg@scotty I can't see that at all for Lou. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. I remember an interview when he said he was shy. ENTJ musicians are very much like chameleons, and you can spot them not by their demeanor but on how they live their life. Lou did work hard, he was always trying to reach high make something happen rather than just have fun, but that was difficult for him so he turned to a lot of destructive behaviors. ENFJ are one of the most aggressive types at defining social norms. Then it went from there. He never really gave a shit about how anyone perceived his music at all; again, see Metal Machine Music. He would befriend a drunk in a bar and after drawing him out with friendly conversation, suddenly ask 'Would you like to fuck your mother. Just read this in New York Times. Everything he did, he was making a large impact, in his own words he had learned "with the simplest language imaginable, and very short, you can accomplish the most astonishing heights. Just putting forth constructive criticism for your argumen--"No INTP ever would put forth something as lacking in substance and thought as art, except for in a parodical sense. When I say "don't care" I mean literally "don't care". Once, somebody brought Andy Warhol in, and the next thing you know, he said,. Whoops my comment below was directed at bobnickmad, not scotty. You can also look to the underground, e. Total opposite of an FJ type. Thinking – Feeling, represents how a person processes information. Thinking means that a person makes a decision mainly through logic.. And he was not likely an extrovert. He did not care at all about what was popular or socially acceptable, he openly defied conventions, wrote about taboo subject matter and changed how rock music was perceived and influenced its future. But Lou actually fits that well, and he certainly fits INTP in Big Five dichotomies too, without a doubt. The way he bulldozed through expectations in the name of his passion really screams Te 8, and yeah then he became reclusive, but why. That makes no sense, scotty. It was a sloppy presentation of an aesthetic. " This kind of attitude shows his preference for feeling which makes an inferior feeling typing seem crazy to me. Look Scotty you usually have some good arguments and I agree with you more than I do with most it seems, but Log Reed as ENFJ is easily one of the single worst typings I have ever seen anybody make period. A lot of constructive criticism. If he pushed social norms for the sake of doing so, that would be a sign of LOW ORDER Fe. What shall I do. That doesn't the fact that he was TP as idlebody quotes show. Now THAT is rich. I know several ExFJ types, some confirmed and some whom I have typed, VERY well. In a more mainstream setting, there are INTP artists like Richard D. He didn't just "fancy himself" as a thinker; he really was one. Keep reading to learn more about what goes into your Myers-Briggs personality type—and maybe discover what yours is.. I probably used the wrong word choice when I said "popular musician". Reed seemed to push social norms for the sake of doing so.