Lou Reed Myers-Brigs type - MBTI, enneagram and personality type info
Let's put some mittens on to prevent you from typing for a second. I literally just laughed out loud when I read that. But why should he give off that message with his verbal language and body language. It will be obvious. Loyal to their peers and to their internal value systems, but not overly concerned with respecting laws and rules if they get in the way of getting something done. Detached and analytical, they excel at finding solutions to practical problems.. And he was the antithesis of the "ideal popular musician. I remember one time at a restaurant or lounge of some kind, he punched David Bowie in the face, lol. Once, somebody brought Andy Warhol in, and the next thing you know, he said, ‘I have a week at the Cinémathèque (which is now the Anthology Film Archives on Second Street). Yeah I pretty much agree with your typing. Very likely a 5w4 iconoclast as well. The main reason I think he has no chance of being INTP is because his approach is the antithesis of precision and also not a more constructional approach to composing music. @scotty Also, the ENTJ's sense of humor is almost as dry as their usual conversations. Lou Reed, on the other hand, has a very ISTP sense of humor. And I don't particularly fancy myself to be any type except xNxP; I just told people what I got on test results. com/2015/11/01/fashion/who-was-the-real-lou-reed. He was no Jz and sure as fuck was no FJ. Because based on what you have said I really don't think we're talking about the same person. I know tons about him. You can also look to the underground, e. Maybe I should've said the ideal *popular* musician. Oh, I don’t know what to do. Welcome to MBTIBase - PersonalityBase, here you can learn about Lou Reed MBTI type.. It’s weird the way things work. What trytipe do you think he was. I could see a case for either 3w4 or 4 as his heart fix. Sterling was going for his M. I would have thought Fi doms would be the ideal musician types because of their focus on inner, sincere, individualized emotional expression. Even if not directly tested, public voting can provide good accuracy regarding Lou Reed Myers-Briggs and personality type!. ENFJ are one of the most aggressive types at defining social norms. Being an intuitive, the ENFJ type also has nothing about being "appropriate". I just mean any trend setter who gains a following such as Reed. Really just like more practical minded INTP. Lou ReedDespite what Scotty wants you to think, ISTPs can be quite notorious for their bad temper and impulsive actions while under the influence of their repressed Fe. No way he was an INTP. 8 disintegrating to 5 (Lou Reed's pattern under stress) is actually part of official Enneagram theory. ENFJ may actually be the most ideal type for musicians, but nobody ever types them as such because all musicians are somehow introverts no matter what which leads to ridiculous typings like ISTP for Reed. Here you can explore of famous people and fictional characters.. " Then I really just see the same trends continuing throughout his musical career. ’ (This is Andy) ‘Oh, I know. Dick, David Byrne, both guys from Autechre. Are you SURE you're not confusing Lou Reed for Bono. htmlCompelling argument REALBIGCHEEKlou reed is definitely not INTP. Honestly your typing is a painfully obvious example of someone confused by a misunderstanding of the already unreliable and quacky function theory and missing the mark big time as a result. Lou did work hard, he was always trying to reach high make something happen rather than just have fun, but that was difficult for him so he turned to a lot of destructive behaviors. They seem more serious and purposeful than that. They're the type of people that love to talk about work. He had no big vision he wamted to fulfill, no grand scheme he sought to complete, no social change he wanted to bring about. He had that neuroticism underneath, but type 7 makes more sense regarding the fact that he was involved in so many different projects. I'm also unsure of his heart-fix. He enjoyed taking situations to extremes you couldn't imagine until you'd been there with him. He relished chaos and intellectual novelty. He would befriend a drunk in a bar and after drawing him out with friendly conversation, suddenly ask 'Would you like to fuck your mother. He was way too concerned with how his music was perceived and always trying to make a statement with his music interacting with the outside world. Everything he did, he was making a large impact, in his own words he had learned "with the simplest language imaginable, and very short, you can accomplish the most astonishing heights. A good example of an ENTJ is Damon Albarn. In this site you can find out which of the 16 types this character 'Lou Reed' belongs to!. He's like an ENTJ that disintegrates to INTP. Did I hope to get recorded. No INTP ever would put forth something as lacking in substance and thought as art, except for in a parodical sense. He's also clearly intuitve. INTPs are well known for their brilliant theories and unrelenting logic, which makes sense since they are arguably the most logical minded of all the personality types.. He was just a really cool guy. He never really gave a shit about how anyone perceived his music at all; again, see Metal Machine Music. And, yes, his rage was lethal and unforgiving. He had addiction problems as well as huge neurotic issues - depression and anxiety. And there we were. I'm not saying necessarily he's an INTP, but your argument as it stands is highly flawed, bud. Dominant Fe conforms to social norms. He shouldn't be judged as an introvert by his anxiety. That makes no sense, scotty. INTP generally just don't care. I also don't know why you seem to believe he extroverts judging and is an Ni type. He *learned* how to project the image he wanted to project. Was there any goal. Just read this in New York Times. But Lou actually fits that well, and he certainly fits INTP in Big Five dichotomies too, without a doubt. I don’t know why. I watch this video of Lou and it immediately reminds me of bigol and pikup. One of us was even here on the Leonard Bernstein Scholarship. "Not all ENTJs are like that. You fancy yourself an INTP, right. xNTPs are known as the ultimate trolls for a reason. v=goneaNUv-ScAs shown by all his neurotic traits, he was clearly someone who did care, and did give a fuck, about basically everything. In his own words, "One chord is fine. Metal Machine music wasn't a parody. The second letter in the personality type acronym corresponds to the preference within the sensing-intuition dimension: “S” stands for sensing and “N” stands for intuition.. That doesn't the fact that he was TP as idlebody quotes show. Yes he was blunt, but bluntness with a purpose. Though even within function theory I can still make a better case for INTP than ENFJ. Andy adopted us. And he was not likely an extrovert. Why would Lou Reed continue pretending to be an ISTP long after becoming famous. Also his charisma he transmits in his music is a very "I don't care, I don't give a fuck", cool but laid back, not trying too much, kind of way, not the forcefull and purposfull Te charisma. I think you're making some (hilariously off base) claim based on a personal attitude, and projecting that as far as the eye can see. So, it’s a weird conglomeration. We couldn’t get jobs anywhere, but we had this material, and eventually we played a dive. To find out what your MBTI personality type is you need to complete the MBTI questionnaire and take part in a feedback session from a qualified MBTI practitioner.. I probably used the wrong word choice when I said "popular musician". He emulated a few older R/B styles, like "I Found A Reason" or certain riffs that can be heard on "White Light/White Heat". Discover Array, and more, famous people, fictional characters and celebrities here!. I'm fairly certain his instinct stacking was sx/sp. Lou is NJ with his own vision of where he wanted to see his musical career go, so he "talked like an ISTP" to make it happen. John Cale: "Lou was a lot of fun. Not saying that you wouldn't have some points for your case, but a lot of what you said was fallacious. not really sure about the heart type tho andy was his "mentor" and the factory was his "support network" i feel like he was very phobic in his teens, but then turned into a very counterphobic person. Then I ran into Sterling Morrison on the subway—we needed a drummer—and his friend Jim Tucker had a sister named Maureen who loved to play drums and had a car, and that was it: The Velvet Underground. The way he bulldozed through expectations in the name of his passion really screams Te 8, and yeah then he became reclusive, but why. Oh right didn't even think about that. His withdrawn nature comes from his Fi and distaste for journalists in general. We’ll get lights. I would have really liked to have met him. They are so different than ISTP 7s they should be a different type entirely. Even his music is a reflection of his ENTJ concerns (the dangerous consequences of technology on mankind): https://www. He was just a guy who liked to jam with his friends and he met the right person at the right time who made him get noticed. ISTP 6s are so serious they don't have a sense of humour. " He was iconoclastic, intellectual, detached, withdrawn, eccentric, impulsive, cold, hard, and had a dry/witty/twisted sense of humor. T is by far his strongest letter, and while I once thought INTJ was possible, I see that P is likely his second strongest. Go read some anecdotes from people who knew him. When he got to college, he had mostly recovered although he continued to use drugs. I have a week. ' "typo: *Notice how in the quote he doesn't deludeNotice how in the quote he doesn't elude to his getting recognized being due to "hard work" and "perseverance". Also it stems from him being an Enneagram 5. Even in his worst times, his Te still wouldn't let go as he made stuff happen. ISTP that I know are nothing like that and kind of nerdy, if anything. Overall, he embodies that ultra-cool, not give-a-fuck attitude in music better than anyone else. I also feel like type 7 ISTPs are the ones more likely to enjoy crude humor, the way Lou did. @scotty I'm not sure about his tritype, but I agree with bigol that it's more likely Lou was 7w6. The T vs F dichotomy still doesn't really make sense to me so I'm just going to switch to ENTJ and shrugAlso I have to ask: Have you ever actually MET an Fe-dom. You really think there are many INTP-testing people that would have his temperament. When ENTJs figure out that they can get what they want using a certain method, they will continue to use it. At the very least he's obvious an Ni type (xNxJ)if you're going to define the T/F paradigm as "Agreeableness" then yes Lou would be a T, but that is not what it is on the MBTI scale even though the correlation may be high.
. I think recollecting your thoughts might help. ISTP fits him better than anything else. I think that introverts are likely to shine in the studio and extroverts on the stage. As for typing Reed as a J, maybe you can look at your ever-so-confident declaration: "Also TJ if you know anything about him. 7s like to try new things. Not sure if an INTJ would release Metal Machine Music just to screw with people. Someone asked me a question and I answered it. The opposite of dominant Fe. If you were to translate big 5 categories he would be an INTJ. No translating to Big Five he is INTP, because he also would be ridiculously low conscientiousness. His parents could not control his ambitions as a high school teenager to play in the city as a musician. What shall I do…. I don't know much about Reed himself but @Scotty, why do you say ENFJ is the ideal musician type. Reed is a weird case in comparing MBTI and big 5. You’ll play, and I’ll show movies. INTP fits best, followed by ENTP, INTJ and ISTP. And 3 out of 4 of us were college graduates, of all things. He didn't just "fancy himself" as a thinker; he really was one. I haven't seen a similar case. " This seems to be him throughout his life when he was healthy. He had that inferior Fe which made him not very talkative, always keeping his answers to interviewers short and blunt. He doesn't refer to those other projects as "work" either, just stuff he felt like doing for fun. So much so that some times I feel like I can even re-experience the early-70 with him. His score on agreeableness on the Big Five would be like 0. Complete and total opposite of Lou Reed in every way. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. v=qm8n0vhVJcg@scotty I can't see that at all for Lou. Look Scotty you usually have some good arguments and I agree with you more than I do with most it seems, but Log Reed as ENFJ is easily one of the single worst typings I have ever seen anybody make period. I don't get INTP at all. Just putting forth constructive criticism for your argumen--"No INTP ever would put forth something as lacking in substance and thought as art, except for in a parodical sense. And this is all assuming that MBTI function theory is valid of course. On the other hand, my best friend is an ISTP and I know and am related to several other IxTP types. Yes it is well known that he was very neurotic with a lot of anxiety issues, but I think that could've been a reaction to how he was bullied in a really rough junior high school. But I'm interested in hearing your views on the matter (perhaps use Reed as an illustrative example so the thread stays on topic). ENFJs are by the way probably one of the most agreeable, expressive, enthusiastic and friendly types so. He definitely had his mental difficulties and often went through periods of overwhelming anxiety, but his general motivations do not seem to be in line with 6 at all: looking for a support network, security, etc. Lou Reed asked Bowie for help producing his next album and Bowie said he'd only help if Lou gets his excessive drinking under control at which point Lou lost his shit and punched Bowie in the face. All of this is unnecessary and redundant (victory by induction and all that), as a single INTP would undo your far too black and white generalization. ISTP are very chill, but when unhealthy xSTP (and maybe SPs in general) might enjoy starting fights to ''cool off'' or something. I'm with idlebody herr. It was a troll move because Lou didn't give two shits about what anyone thought and deliberately was hostile towards his fans. Even still, there is evidence to believe Metal Machine Music was a ironically a parodic work, which would contradict your logic. Not all, not most of them, but definitely not something unheard of. ’ So I said, ‘Okay, fine. And he was definitely counterphobic (and sometimes phobic). I think INTPs make great musicians in their own way, but it's just not in the way Lou Reed made music. People have said earlier that he can't be a 6 because "where's his support network", but sx/sp 6s look for security/attachment in their relationships/romantic partner. Clearly you know very little about Lou. Also, Metal Machine Music WAS DEFINITELY parodical. I really can't see how Lou could possibly an INTP. And his VU songs were some of the earliest examples ever of pushing the boundaries of "appropriate" song lyrics, not to mention songs like "Heroin" simply described things in a very objective manner without making a judgment one way or the other on them. I'm talking about putting on an act that gets through to people. The idea that he is ExFJ is frankly comical to me.
. Lou Reed interview from 2002: "They needed other members to say it was a group and that’s when we found John Cale. How does he use Si. I was just writing. I think he fancied himself as a thinker but was really a feeler. What is the best option for the MBTI type of Lou Reed? What about enneagram and other personality types?. Not Se, Te: taking control of the environment and shaping it as he wanted to. That means he's ENxx. ’ Then it went from there. To start with your claim about INTPs and art: No. 6-4-8: the truth teller. Also TJ if you know anything about him. most ISTP i know in irl are the chillest and the nicest people I know ofGood quote idlebody, he was definitely a P type and ISTP fits the most. A lot of constructive criticism. Oren Ambarchi, Kevin Drumm, John Wiese, Jorge Luis Borges. ENTJs are "no nonsense" people. That’s what I have been doing since I was 9. In the words of his sister "His charisma, his charm, his wit, his intellect were undeniable and seductive to everyone who knew him well. ENTJ musicians are very much like chameleons, and you can spot them not by their demeanor but on how they live their life. He did not care at all about what was popular or socially acceptable, he openly defied conventions, wrote about taboo subject matter and changed how rock music was perceived and influenced its future. There are plenty of INTP artists, and INTPs frequently value art. He just did what he wanted to do, regardless of how it was perceived or what anyone thought about him. Lou Reed was as far from an "Fe Dom" as humanly possible - that is, a To dom. We get a much more accurate reading of who Lou was by simply saying he was an introvert, open/intuitive, disagreeable/thinking, and perceiving/low conscientiousness. That was the end of it, but by then we had become a “band” called The Velvet Underground. ENTP is somewhat possible, but I seriously doubt it. You gave me a headache. Nothing beats 2 guitars, drum and bass. The idea of him talking about how he learned from his professor "with the simplest language imaginable, and very short, you can accomplish the most astonishing heights" shows that those aspects of his interview demeanor that you mention can't be seen as evidence of his natural personality, but also that he thought of his communicative strategy very strategically. When ENTJs talk, they sound like textbooks. James, Thomas Pynchon, Vladimir Nabokov, David Cronenberg, Philip K. INTP generally just don't care. ENFJ is a far more ridiculous typing for Lou than ISTP by the way so. The way he speaks in interviews is very ISTP, concis and aphatic, he doesn't feel the need to explain himself or his project too much. We played these dives like no one else. When I say "don't care" I mean literally "don't care". If he pushed social norms for the sake of doing so, that would be a sign of LOW ORDER Fe. His actual behavior, rather than his stage demeanor, are what reveal that he is an ENTJ 8 above all though. He's intuitive, and Se user but not inferior (or maybe Ne dom who can look like Se users). Now THAT is rich. Close call between those two, but no way was he ISTP. An INTP wouldn't get 2 minutes into recording something like that. It was a sloppy presentation of an aesthetic. He would be low conscientiousness even though he seems to extrovert judging on MBTI scaleLou Reed paid a lot of attention to social norms and was bothered by that and used his music as a medium for expressing that. Metal Machine Music is a perfect example of why not. But if you listen to his solo career, his music sounds modern. Let's assume at least one of these guys isn't "parodying" art. And "Hey babe, take a walk on the wild side" is essentially an anthem for Se. "ENFJ are one of the most aggressive types at defining social norms. In a more mainstream setting, there are INTP artists like Richard D. That makes him an extrovert. Lou was definitely an INTP. But when he was there, he was a very busy student who juggled so many things - he started his own band, his own radio show, was involved in a lot of subversive stuff on the side, but still found a way to graduate with honors. LOU REED as an F AND a J type. Lou is much, much closer to them in every way. Lou left the venue immediately afterwards and Bowie went after Lou to his hotel to confront him, but Lou wouldn't come out of his hotel room. Because if you are using that statement to argue Lou is an ENFJ, then you prove you know absolutely fuck all about Lou Reed. He was obsessed with aesthetics and essentially replacing thought and structure with raw feeling by taking a barebones primitive approach. I know several ExFJ types, some confirmed and some whom I have typed, VERY well. I still can't see him as anything except ENTJ, and probably a phobic 8 too. He tried to capture the raw emotion of performance in the studio, rather than focus on composition and construction of something with fascinating structure by itself. Not really, just playing. In that case it'd be like typing anxiety as 6. Reed seemed to push social norms for the sake of doing so. While I was writing this crappy stuff, I was also writing my own stuff. Intuitives focus on a more abstract level of thinking; they are more interested in theories, patterns, and explanations. They are often more concerned with the future than the present and are often described as creative. in Classical English Literature. Entj or istp with very underdeveloped Feistp 6w5-8w7-3w4 sx/sp. They are as far from Lou Reed in demeanor, behavior, and thought process as possible. I remember an interview when he said he was shy. Two chords are pushing it. Introverts generally aren't impulsively-acting-out jerks for no reason. Counterphobic 6. Totally opposite. But he was such a domineering perfectionist. Whoops my comment below was directed at bobnickmad, not scotty. Three chords and you're into jazz. I had read somewhere that ostrich feathers were supposed to be popular, so I wrote a song called The Ostrich—the feedback made the people at radio stations think the record was defective and they sent it back. Was there any plan. " This kind of attitude shows his preference for feeling which makes an inferior feeling typing seem crazy to me. He seems like a pretty obvious Ti-dom in interviews, but I can't see the Ne. While definitely an accomplished studio musician, Reed still seems to me to have been more of a "performer" even in the studio. This isn't authenticity that you're looking at. They're mind-numbingly boring people who like to work a lot and love routines. I also am not convinced that he didn't "literally not care" about social norms, because I don't think he gave a flying fuck and have never seen a shred of evidence that he did. You are in the best place to test MBTI and learn what type Lou Reed likely is!. You're jumping in at the wrong time here. He learned a lot from Warhol (likely another Fi dom)I think he's an INFP. im INTP lou is definitely notAlso this whole idea about ISTP "coolness" - the way I see it, it's just rooted in fictional portrayals of Clint Eastwood types. "He was definitely NOT an INTP. I'm going to go with ENFJ. If you enjoyed this entry, find out about the personality types of Music and Music Industry characters list.. " So you agree Lou was an INTP then. Total opposite of an FJ type. Counterphobic <---> Phobic. Even in the midst of his high school struggles, he was observed to be a very focused person and formed his own bands. And if this isn't the most xSTP thing I've ever heard. INFPs, like most introverts, are quiet and reserved. They prefer not to talk about themselves.. Now that I think about it, INTP is a possibility. If you want to hear what ENFJ music sounds like, listen to fucking U2.