Stanley Kubrick Myers-Brigs type - MBTI, enneagram and personality type info
The thing with people Kubrick, Jobs or Lynch, it's that they won't have the same flaws as what's expected from their type, otherwise they wouldn't have been geniuses. And "Eyes Wide Shut" was criticized for not being close or authentic to emotions, kind of cold. So are other great ISTP filmmakers like Woody Allen and Ridley Scott. Bob Dylan generally wrote songs about reality. v=GSgbjhuQ4CoSomeone uploaded "Funeral Parade of Roses" in full to YT yesterday. That's why INTJ makes more sense than INTP. And INFPs can love jazz, but being a workaholic who likes playing clarinet - that's a lot of Se. So I'd rather have us discuss things meaningfully instead of going on useless tirades. I think for myself, unlike you who weight other's ideas too much without pondering if they're telling you lies and scamming you at the same time. INTPs are well known for their brilliant theories and unrelenting logic, which makes sense since they are arguably the most logical minded of all the personality types.. While I still see Lynch as INFP (although Butterfly's arguments made a lot of sense on his page), IMO Kubrick just seems to use Ti, Ni and has inferior Fe. Nevertheless I do think Kubrick is SP, but not because his movies excel visually. Though I still see INTJ, thank you Speed Gavroche for your well-reasoned rebuttals. "being into photography doesn't make you a sensing type. " As an INTP myself, I tend to be interested in conspiracy theories, fringe science, etc. Me and idlebody align so much when typing people; must be our tritype even when we're different MBTI. v=QsSV6yZZIVkI personally consider Eyes wide shut to be one of his best. The magic of this page happened. 2) Witt is an Ni-dom to say the least, again not INTP for sure. A Ni-dom would start from his overall idea he has with the movie, what he wants to accomplish in a singular but broad stroke, and then use the most efficient means to accomplish. ", "It should be a progression of moods and feelings". I think Lynch is more like, "Okay, if you eat that chicken that is going to make me feel really weird. Someone hacked my account. You talk and tallk about him and I bet you haven't watched any of his movies. It seems like an example of just trowing crazy ideas together: chicken that bleeds when you try to eat it. #butterfly, Yeah, I was thinking something thinking like that. Also too close to Nietsxzsszxzdszche. But management skills like that is more Te than anything. Se is all about action, motion, whatever. He just takes wildly different genres and gives them the regality of his style with careful visuals, sound and little, mysterious references like you see in a lot of painted art - like Raphael's painting of Athens where Plato is pointing up and Aristotle is pointing down, which symbolizes their philosophy. Also, yeah, he had a voracious intellect and all kind of N like interests. He wasn't all that focused with philosophical concepts. I've seen you make similar arguments many times, but I think that NP's are the most likely to master a craft to be used as an outlet for creativity. INTP are logical nitpicks and INTJ are nitpicky about the perception. yeah, INTPs are the most smartest most ever from the everest just that they dont like to beI don't even know where you are working from. No way he's a Ti-dom. The point is, that I don't think one can make a convincing enough claim that this guy is a Ni-dom, except that his most important movies look like being made by a Ni-dom and that he said Intuitive claims at some time or another, because when it comes to how he approaches movies, it's a from the bottom to the top approach, with an emphasis on scene accuracy and scene setting over any overall theme. I heard that despite INTPs being messy, they can be very ordered when they have to, they just would rather not be. This probably explains why it's so talked about in the history of movies. In this site you can find out which of the 16 types this character 'Stanley Kubrick' belongs to!. But we can see that he was more concrete and playful. Anyway, I read about his preparations for Napoleon, about how important is to find the right terrain and a large army and all the logistics involved etc. @bobnickmad You are my pet now. It is not anything in particular. Because, on typology, what truly matters is not the activity itself, but the way a person faces this activity. That new system of you sounds so much like trolling, to hide the fact that Kubrick was an INTJ.
. Overall, I think it can be made a good case that Kubrick showed both strong Te and Ti characteristics. Here you can explore of famous people and fictional characters.. Or watch Chan-Wok Park's Vengeance Yrilogy: 1st movie is as ambigous as it gets, 2nd is moralistic anti-vengeance, and the 3rd almost praises vengeance as some kind of necessary healing process. As such, unhealthy INxPs can get stuck in a perpetual loop of pure intuition with no sensing until their Si wakes up and snaps them out of it like a splash of cold water. So, this is what I meant by ''craft''. Then I fart myself to sleep. It is not supposed to be warm. LOL neither Kubrick or his movies are childish at all. It's about a man wandering through New York at Christmas and seeing all kinds of ways to organize love/sex and eventually realizing that he prefers the simplicity of married life with his wife simply asking him if he "wants to fuck" as the happy ending. Except that he's not a Ni-dom, so why bring the 6th function, when you can't prove that Ni is is the first one. It's like when a thing or place has a certain "feeling" to it. I know this isn't really orthodox when it comes to functions but something I've noticed in people. Ideally it's like math/science. Insn't that the coolest thing in the world. His focus seemed more to make a point with this picture than to display something physically interesting. Kubrick didn't make that many movies, it took him forever to achieve a project. In A Clockwork Orange, he'll show the downside of free will and morality and then flip it around to show the opposite. Woody Allen is not ISTP but INFP. Also, as to the photography thing, again David Fincher (INFJ) was making films even as a little kid and he doesn't seem to have been bookish, also, anecdotal: I know a tested adult INFP who never has read books for pleasure. Jung also proposed that in a person one of the four functions above is dominant – either a function of perception or a function of judging.. Excuse my redaction tonight, but I was thinking this. It should be a progression of moods and feelings. *"Anyway, I can just make him fall on his head after the chicken and wake up in the factory since the randomness does not break from the weirdness aesthetic I'm developing. And the INTP I know goes a step further and says: "I don't understand why people take photographs". I'm not really sure what kind of nitpick he was based on reading anything, but saying that he wanted things a certain way is not evidence for Ni at all. sooooooooooooooooo @bobnickmad After all your confusing babbling what do you think his type is. The best I can do is to say I just fell in love with the stories. He display a lot of the same childishness about love that Kubrick does in Eyes Wide Shut, for example. A certain color scheme or choice of lightning, a certain type a story and characters, gives a certain feel that gives that work of art it's identity, and ISTPs are fully capable of thinking of art like that. And it never was. #Scotty, It's the fact that INTPs aren't very focused, they're shooting in different directions which can very peculiar movies (Cronenberg) but would probably lead to wasting resources when it comes to making movies like 2001, and seeing that Kubrick was a full on auteur, I'm not sure he could have afforded this. Basically, you can have those people but it can easily resolve into chaos unless there's someone offering focus among all those people, and the best way would be for someone who knows a bit from every technical aspect of film-making in order to spot what doesn't work as it should, basically an engineer like director who assimilated every aspect of movie-making. And fear of flying is very INXJ. Than again, there are INTP inventors and INTPs who build robots and all those kind of technical things so not all are lost in theory, but if he was INTP, he was a very focused one. Photos are good at evoking certain moods, which is why Si is good for photography. Kubrick went to a zoo and took the picture of a monkey behind the bars of his cage. How about we organize what we know about SK, his early life, his artistic inclination, his N-ness &/or his S-ness etc. Never changing your opinion, your tendency to declare things without good evidence (and then refuse to learn why it is not good evidence), to not do the arguments of others any favors, even to participate (. Study Kubrick alone, his persona and movies and no more. Altough the thing with multiple takes is that it was Bresson's method (likely ITJ) and it was in order to make the actors more robotic. com/48425421Don't know, but honestly if someone could prove he's INTJ it'd be more than happy, the whole "every great director who seems IN is actually genius ISP" started from him. His lovely Fi shines through in his interviews. Just speculating, and not being sure I understand the wavelength you're on here, speaking both from experience and reading about NPs - I think NPs are the ones who tend to have the great elevator pitches. Any type can be bookish, as types don't define broad interests and behaviors of individuals. 2001 is simply an "unclear", mysterious film, and if there is something directors like James Cameron (ENTJ) and Park Chan-wook (INTJ), even Godard (INTJ) have in common, it's clarity and directness. And ISTP directors like Woody Allen or Clint Eastwood are some of the most prolific directors you can think of. And SK's Ni is obvious. Still, as I've written a lot about before, I think the total impression clicks better with ISFP. " No, but when at the same time you reject theory and books, that make you a Sensor. I also don't see why it's easier to make appeal to a 6th rather than a very well 3rd function. From what I understand from his interviews, Kubrick's process is different though. And then I have this idea for a factory scene which also makes me feel weird. For example Tim Burton (even to a fault) is someone who seems to have a pretty good handle of Si as he, almost to a fault, has developed a formula to keep himself in check. Other explanation would be that because INTPs don't like positions of leadership, we tend to not be aware of how an INTP with good leadership qualities would be like since their natural tendencies is to flee away from such things. But if you buy this argument, you need to take into consideration that, when Kubrick was younger, he was as much into photography as he was into chess. He is almost certainly an ISTP. Going beyond that is a bit like trying to explain why you fell in love with your wife: she's intelligent, has brown eyes, a good figure. *I shouldn't have said ''any SP'', I should have said ''strong aesthetics doesn't imply Se necessary''*I shouldn't have said ''any SP'' as you didn't imply that, I should said visual proeficiencyWhile do agree that overall photography is more SP than N (and N might find it creatively restricting), saying that any SP must have strong aesthetics -potography or not- and N types not, it's just putting SPs on a pedestal. R Scott is 100% ISTP tho. And INTPs are not less bookish than INTJs by any mean. This personality type is highly individualistic and Champions strive toward creating their own methods, looks, actions, habits, and ideas!. I mean people like Woody Allen (ISTP) are extremely productive, but Fe as a weakness means you're going to have trouble with the people skills part of movie-directing, I guess. I still see him as a bad-tempered perciever. Most INFPs would be horrified, lol. v=xa-KBqOFgDQI have seen the movie and I think it's quite INFJ-ish. The thing is, INTP have a kind of strong grid through which they asses the truth quality of ideas (think Einstein) meanwhile Kubrick was interested in stuff like whether ghosts exists and all kind of crackpot ideas exposed by the kind of people who wear tin-foil hats, so while his movies were shaped around his intellectual interests, it's not in intellectual throughesness that his strength lie, but in the kind of practical intelligence that is very good with using material resources to put together all those props and set designs that make a movie like 2001 put to shame productions made in. Like I know someone who you can really just see Fi-Ni but they're definitely a P-type in every definition of the word, and thus is an INFP to me. Also I think 5w4 is attracted to this kind of ambiguity as opposed to let's say a 1. You could argue for example that his aesthetics are very Ti-Ni, in the way they put an emphasis on Precision in shots (Ti) and a Mystical, harmonious kind of feeling (Ni). In INxPs, this manifests as a Ne-Ni feedback loop, which is why so many INxPs are great at storytelling and worldbuilding. The point is: he was very resourceful. If former he is more likely an ISTP, if latter he can be an INTJ. I'm still leaning towards ISTP, but I could see INTP with developed 6th-place Ni. In this and other interviews (such as for Barry Lyndon) the way he looks at film-making seems to be: take the material, reduce it to the essential structure by throwing away all it's irrelevant, and then find the best why of doing the movie scene by scene. Are you going to keep repeating the same thing about books. Some times I think I am 92 year old gay Armenian man. < Anyway, I definitely agree that Lynch *may* still be an INFP. As for the Playboy interview, imo Kubrick sounds very similar to Woody Allen (ISTP). But yeah I am quite sure he is a T. Textbook ISTP. His conclusion: "His focus seemed more to make a point with this picture than to display something physically interesting. page=5 Here he talks about Fullmetal Jacket, a very S movie compared to high N of 2001 or Clockwork Orange. There's a reason why "production designer," "set decorator," "cinematographer," and "crew" are listed in the credits of every movie. And the kind of skill that requires to use the limited amount of time and use of materials that can be afforded to basically construct elaborate scenes, you need a more practical kind of intelligence. I also disagree Allen's necessarily Ne, though I see how it might seem like it at first. I thought this was Te, but actually it's pretty ST. However Ni, Ne deal with mental framework and not content so different types can be creative in their own ways. More than Kubrick I blame ice queen INFJ Nicole Kidman for making "Eyes Wide Shut" feel cold. Too intelligent, creatively independent and knowledgeable to be ISTP. has to be a master of one, jack of one type of person, so maybe those are the ISPs. I'm still leaning towards ISTP for Kubrick because he seems to have too much Se (as butterfly pointed out) for it to be his PoLR, but I'm not ruling out INTP. INTP can be extremely nitpicky about wanting things a certain way, and it's from a different basis than INTJ. You can hear Kubrick in The Shining "Rare Behind The Scenes Footage" saying to top actress Shelley Duvall: "IT LOOKS FAKE, IT REALY DOES. After revising the MBTI function order and getting some input from Scotty, I renounced thinking in function axes, I got to the conclusion that the function most likely for an INTP to display are Ti, Ne and Ni. I remembering there was a quote in which he said he doesn't make his movies with a particular theme in my, but I can't find it. It may seem cold at first, but there are occasional moments of Fe melodrama (e. 3 days ago it was 48 votes ISTP and 44 votes INTJ. Anyway, the way he talks about movies scenes and photography seems to be a Ti aesthetic, rather than Se or Si: the way something is positioned in the picture, getting the perfect balance between the elements, stuff like that. Out of Ti, Te, Ni, Ne the one function I really think that he lacks is Te. of personality, Enneagram with the Why. Study ISTP Ridley Scott then. I don't know where you are getting S/Se from that. Anyway, I can just make him fall on his head after the chicken since the randomness does not break from the weirdness aesthetic I'm developing. The theme, what's behind the emotion, the meaning, all that comes later. I know one INFJ and one INTJ, both afraid of airplanes. If anything, an INTP would generate and fine-tune the ideas while the INTJ would take the ideas to the next level, as Ni is the function most focused with implementing abstract ideas. Like I had this idea about the interstellar psychedelic drive, where all the pyschedelic imagery is actually information transmitted toward Dave's unconscious, in order to prepare him for the transformation. Hence why I believe Stanley must have been INTP. I've seen a video where he is filmed with Jack Nickolson (ESTP) they actually seemed very similar, but SK just being more introvert. @scotty: The two most bookish people I know are INTP and ENFP, so I'm not so sure that's accurate. Nowadays, everyone can make a big budget movie if they're supported by a big studio and they use the same stock blockbuster formula, because you take the special effect used countless times, but in order to make something as unique at the time like 2001, you entered in unknown territory, meaning that someone like Kubrick had to involve himself at the lowest level of production and offer advice on anything, which means solving all kinds of difficult problems as they appear, something ISTP tend to be better at. So you still think he's ISTP. It's not Fi, just a need for truthfulness that Ti-doms share as well. com/2016/06/08/6th-function-of-introverts-visual-reading VIDEO: https://www. Gink has the best post in this whole page (I haven't seen him elsewhere, a true one hit wonder it seems). has, which requires a very imaginative kind of logic. Because if he really set out making the best movie in every category, I can only see an NTJ having that kind of ambition, and that could be his Ni vision. There's clever Ni symbolism in there: such as the monkeys throwing the bone followed by the space ship, which in a quick sequence describes the advancement of humanity through its tools, and its used in documentaries about space or development of humanity because its makes its point so well. @thedude "apart from Bonita's ridiculous rant about Allen being INFP which is a joke" If you call me ridiculous then you're calling ridiculous to everyone who has their own theories about typing. It's like he's going over the set saying, "Let's do this, and let's turn that around, and let's throw a bucket of paint on that wall. @Speed Gavroche: I agree that Eastwood isn't the "stereotypical cowboy" but is interested in making movies more meaningful and spiritual than that. Fi: "I just fell in love with the stories. Lower Fe and Fi can look very similar. It's likely the best photographers will be SP types. i crossed the line there XDHe's pretty clearly both N and PAn ISTP could never EVER pull off a movie like Dr. No, I meant with someone like David Lynch, when making Eraserhead, he was into the more ''physical'' aspects of movie-making, such as building the sets and prop, plus having an eye for how lightning would create certain effects without needing to use expensive special effects.
. The issue here is Ni-dom. I tried to say something about that earlier but you really explained it much nicer. It's all about Si. Have you really said anything. com/culture/news/the-rolling-stone-interview-stanley-kubrick-in-1987-20110307. Like "let's do a dream heist movie" or "Johnny Depp with scissors for hands finds love with Winona Ryder". But the context of accuracy is bigger: he spents allot of them on researching the more concrete aspects of that movie, the whole context in which the movie is made has to be accurate. When he chose The Shining to film he had a lot of trouble finding the right book to film, and he kept throwing them against the walls (according to witness) frustrated, angry, AKA EMOtional. "WWOOW Just chill, maaan. What happened. So according to bobnick, INTPs can't make grand scale movies or something, because what exactly. He cares about being emotional authentic and that sounds indeed like Fi on the surface, but I think this is just part in a bigger context of making the movie accurate: since ISTPs don't like bullshitting with emotion, yet they understand that emotion is important in a movie, so of course they don't want to bring fake emotionalism. It’s about living that moment. A Ti-dom would be far too lazy to achieve nearly as much as he did. Def an INXX: too muck liking of INXX writers (Nabokov, Burgess, King). People who have Ti are the type who want to do things effectively for the least amount of work. Si isn't about "remembering the past" or whatever. I agree with that, but he was still involved in all those aspects more than your typical director, and it was this involvment that can explain why he had such elaborate sets in his movies compared to the budget afforded. It's like he doesn't care what his movies are even about. 1) Niels Bohr isn't even Ni-Ti loop, he is a perfectly Ni-Fe-Ti INFJ. most of which have to do with the human psyche. The fact that by starting from the little things he managed to make something so visionary that the most acclaimed Ni-dom directors can't even hope to aspire to, it's a testament to how he managed to over-come his type limitations, more than his type, but also to how dedicated he was to each project in particular and it's own specifics. " I think the challenge for the NP will be to balance their "idea machine"-like quality with routine (Si) and see-through (Te). Take "The Shining" for example. He truly started reading books at 19, when his Ni was growing. For example, think about an N who is into photography. I don't think an SPs work will necessarily look coherent and an NPs work necessarily look improvised though. Though, being playful and energetic in his childhood point SP, not NJ. com/r/intj/comments/2zscbj/what_do_you_intjs_think_of_morality/I was leaning towards INTJ because of the themes he was attracted to. What I'm sure is Ti-dom, it's clear when you read more interviews that for him what matter was accuracy in presenting one's material, and he didn't care about having an unifying theme for his movies, he just liked making movies about things he thought were interesting and wanted to present things truthfully+the whole IxxP thing about respecting viewer's autonomy. I think you can compare Kubrick to someone like Michelangelo for example. But Lynch by comparison doesn't seem like Kubrick. Cheaters in his movies has nothing to do with him being INFP or not. At the same time, I'm still open to him being ISTP, but if you don't think in terms of functions axes, INTP seems more like it. 3) You have been biased for NTPs on more than a few occasions which is fine but would be better if you actually argue your case instead of sour comments. Also, Clint E is an 8w9 Sp/Sx while SK was a 5w4 So/Sx, and that change a lot of things about how they can think, act and look superficially, even if they share the same MBTI type. You may have read Arthur C. What I found in that quote it's that he said meaning and theme comes latter. ") and even the visuals will tend to be very "wacky idea"-based like when you see the charmingly, disarrayed colorful visuals of for example a Dario Argento movie. I don't talk to trolls. Since I am currently going through the process of trying to decide what film to make next, I realize just how uncontrollable is the business of finding a story, and how much it depends on chance and spontaneous reaction. I didn't know about that photography example but that would show Ne, as well as how he was ideologically non-imposing with his works, leaving things more open to interpretation. ISTP just fits perfectly. What I disagree is that INTP artist wouldn't be an extreme perfectionists, I think every self-respecting artist is a perfectionist. I told in my previous post that later I found someone else online saying the same about many other ISTPs. (I thought I was about to make friends with Scotty again, but I think he must really be annoyed with me now). INTJ with a strong P preference. Also, remember that Kubrick did not build his own sets himself. To me this is N really. do you know who Peter Sellers is. I'm not saying Kubrick was as unhealthy as Dick, I was just using Dick as an example of my theory. Compare with films by INTJ directors such as Robert Bresson or David Fincher, in which there's very little outward emotion even during dramatic plot points. Why, he might ask himself, should he bother to write a great symphony, or strive to make a living, or even to love another, when he is no more than a momentary microbe on a dust mote whirling through the unimaginable immensity of space. You just need to have a certain ability. Actually, you could say MBTI deals with the How. But again, I guess that's what movie directors say to all their actors lolThere is indeed a certain overall view towards humanity that might be Fi , that's one of the better comments you gave. ''moods and feeling'' sounds indeed like higher F than inferior one on a surface reading, but you should take into account that there are ISTP musicians among other things, so they understand that moods and feeling matter in art. Discover Array, and more, famous people, fictional characters and celebrities here!. You can't type someone based on what they look in a partner. No I am wrong. Imo, all this only makes sense with Kubrick being a Inferior Fe user. Regardless, Kubrick's behavior seems more P than J, which is why I think ISTP is more likely. On the other hand you have someone like GRRM with Si-problems (just adding and adding new stuff) and Nicolas Winding Refn with Te-problems (a nervous wreck). He's like: let's take this story/book and reduce it to its basics (Ti) + let's make this basics great through ''the language of cinema'' (Se+Ni). You can ctrl+F to find his post but Kubrick is just plain intuitive. So, he's a P type. Never, ever go near power. I never claimed it's anything but a personal solipsistic interpretation, it's just helps me understand this people behind the limitations and somewhat mechanical nature of MBTI. Versus INtuitive Kubrick, writer of most of his movies. When the NP starts working though, they can't keep focus and continue adding and adding new cool ideas within their cool idea. ISTPs aRe usually laid back and seem unconcerned but when it comes to the craft or art they like, their perfectionistic instincts kick in. It’s true that, on average, those are more Se traits. Kubrick is hard to type at the very least, and this impasse is indicative of that. Introverted functions are the nitpicky ones so it's Ti-nitpick vs Ni-nitpick. Se is good at being in the moment and noticing the full picture sensory wise, but it doesn't give one aesthetic sensibility -like being Ti doesn't make one smart, or Fi doesn't make one a poet. check, I know, a woman signing from inside an radiator. INTPs aren't able to solve all kinds of difficult problems. So because one ISTP you know doesn't like photography, what exactly are we supposed to think. But that's what the critics said. I have a much better imagination than that :D How do you hack everyones accounts. I don't think I will argue more until I have some other insight or see something truly new on this page. '';''There is no deliberate pattern to the stories that I have chosen to make into films. I'am an ESTP and I'm quite bookish mmyself. Have you watched his stand up comedy on YT. The issue is with lack of evidence for Ni-dom and ISTJ is out of the question, he was no N inferior. And he's really concerned about that. If anything, imo, he shows Inferior Fe in his last movie, Eyes Wide Shut, as I was writing before, which is his first movie that doesn't seem to be completely in quotation marks emotionally. What it's more interesting question to me is: how does an SP approaches film-making compared to an NP. Strong argument here. Since he's been brought up a bit recently, thought it'd be worth rehashing this discussion. I imagine being me. @HDr have you watched the movie. I think that is very telling in how he took such an absurdly Ne approach to photography even in his teenage years. On the other hand, of course, you have someone like Stanley Kubrick who compares his actors to cattle and is infamous for being incredibly demanding. Man, these sensations of weirdness are interesting. Strong F too; very sensitive. Kubrick also doesn't seem like the kind of person walking around day-dreaming about people heads falling and being taken to a pencil factory, and then thinking he should make a movie from this. I admit that's atypical for a N type but you can't call the S/N on that alone. Total clusterfuck of moral ambiguity. But because Dave can't comprehend all that amount of information specially because of its alien origin, it's transmitted in a way that it goes straight in his unconscious mind. Like with the monkeys and monolith scene. A lot of critics have accused it of being a childish treatment of the topic whereas I've heard it said that Kubrick thought of it as his most important movie or something. ” So, this go along the way that for him is the Ni idea that leads the movie, but rather Ni adds to the movie. @bobnickmad, if you take an ISTP and give them intellectual interests beyond what is normal for ISTP, wouldn't you kind of be talking about an INTP. lol, so much bickering about whether an INTP is an ISTP or INTJ. However, because the Ni is externalized through another perceiving function (Ne) instead of a judging function (Te/Fe), its abstract ideas are not turned into concrete plans that can be executed, as they are in INxJs. In my opinion type doesn't become clear until roughly age 15-20 (since Erikson's identity stage isn't over until then) but that's merely speculation on my part. This very interesting discussion (apart from Bonita's ridiculous rant about Allen being INFP which is a joke) has led me to consider INTP over INTJ as a second choice. But all the functions can have their aesthetics, all types can be interested in visuals the same way any type can be interested in music and thus excell at it if they develop their skill. Taking complete control from the fiscal aspects to set and ligthning to where and how the movies must be distributed is seen a sign of ST but it could rather be Te instead. Kubrick's movies aren't really like that. Can you at least try to respond to my post. I find all this so funny because. They are extroverted, idealistic, charismatic, outspoken, highly principled and ethical, and usually know how to connect!. are you an iNtuitive. He took a step by step approach, dealing with each scene in a perfectionist manner, and than arriving at the end result. Even his interest in photography was expressed intuitively. Watch the rest too. SJ's generally take the most photos though, then post them on Facebook as if anyone caresOmg. Then he went inside the cage and took the picture of the visitors staring at the monkey outside the cage, but because he was inside, the bars appeared in front of these people. I think a good real-life example of an INTP in a Ne-Ni feedback loop would be Philip K. Stanley Cube-Brick is no squareWoody Allen is still INFP to me no matter what you say and/or accomodate. Also, Leon Tsao explains in this video how your 6th cognitive function is strong. If we're going letter-by-letter I think it's clear that he's very J in his directorial approach and very N in that he's highly abstract and conceptual. He failed there becaue tertiary Fi is not his forte, but he's obviousy interested in people, relationships and humankind as a whole to make those deep and political movies. "You don’t stop being concerned with man because you recognize his essential absurdities and frailties and pretensions. The detachment and contemplative tone of his movies is probably a 5w4 thing. "Then this is not the place for me. If you haven't already, i recommend you to watch this interview of him :. Most of his films are so morally ambiguous. To be the debate remains between INTJ and ISTP with arguments weighing in favour of INTJ. You don't understand suppress Fe do you. I agree that aesthetics is not S over N (you'l find many SPs not giving a shit about it and N who do), for example I think Chan Work-Park is INTJ and his movies have some of the best cinematography ever, and I woul put him over Kubrick. And Woody Allen is playful not childish, and clearly a Ne user too. Thinking more about ISP art and INP art. Is the first 19 years of his life your only argument. Now, it's easy for a movie director with colossal budgets to hire the people that do all those things, but Kubrick tried to get involved in those things himself, because he couldn't afford the kind of budget someone like Nolan has. I also don't believe this whole "Intuitives can't have aesthetic" nonsense. I mean, think of all the big budget SF movies and how few of them achieved what 2001 achieved. It's about what typing is most reasonable and has the strongest arguments. You can capture the feeling ''motion'' in a photography, if you're good at it I guess, the same way you can do in sculpture, painting or other static arts. Also I kinda disagree with the notion that INTJ ignore details and are not through, it seems to me that a type that's focused on making his vision a reality can't afford not being through and perfectionist. I don't even know where you are working from. And no Ni isn't particularly associated with creativity but Fi is. ESFJ is a safe bet. So, his method is not top-down, but down-to-the-top: take each scene and find the best way of building it while being accurate to the time period and what you liked in the material. Was Kubrick more concerned with the craftmanship of his film making and thus sought perfection in film making or he sought perfection in delivery of message he meant to relay. @scotty -_- His voice, spirit and intelligence turn me on, so he must be an INTJ. This person will have little interest in taking pictures for aesthetical reasons, but will prefer to take ‘symbolic’ pictures, pictures that lead to speculation rather than contemplation of physical features, pictures that communicate something beyond what you see with your eyes. @bobnickmad Photography has jackshit to do with Se. He tethers the line between nihilism and absurdism. What you posted is all Se though. Still, I wanna know better how an SP and an NP would differ in how they approach film-making itself. Anyway, this is one of the reason I once thought he must have been INTJ. You mean workaholic as in insanely creative. So he from the trees to the forest (as opposed from the forest to the trees INTJ), and perfectionism over efficiency. NP prefer shiny objects, but not as much as SP. But ISTP makes more sense than INTJ. You can read my descriptions of Eyes Wide Shut on this page, and it was to demonstrate this "childishness" that I brought up the cheating. Contrary to someone like Tarkovsky, Stanley Kubrick is also someone who enjoys to pick topics that have very little to do with him as a person, like Clockwork Orange, The Shining, 2001 etc. ISTP hate phony fake emotions as much as Fi users due to the negative relationship they have with Fe. Are there no moderators on this site. The 100% certified INTJ I know is fond and somewhat talented with nature photography. INTJs can sometimes be ridiculously black-and-white about moral and ethical issues which is why Kubrick's moral ambiguity keeps me wondering. But ISTPs are. ISTP director Ridley Scott: writer of ZERO of his movies. He was striving for authenticity (Fi). and then dismantle it and look at it with another angle without preconceptions. I could have searched for it below but the admin deleted my older posts. @Speed Gavroche: I couldn't play the video. He once said, "Be suspicious of people who have, or crave, power. There's no way Kubrick was unhealthy like Dick, he had his quircks but in interviews he sounds very sane. Also, while I have Kubrick as a Thinker-Aesthete, due to his detached reasoning for choosing his movies, 2001 is the movie where his Sage aspect got more to the surface. Or was it just something others said about him due to how accomplished he was. I am confused here. Se in general IS a lot less abstract. So he's either ISTJ or INTJ. I guess it's almost like it converges aspect of MBTI and Enneagram. I've watched The Kill, Paths of Glory, 2001, A Clockwork Orange, Barry Lyndon and Fullmetal Jacket. He doesn't at all care about doing things as quickly as possible. But Stanley K was focused on sensory things with a distaste for books in his prime youth. It's like a orchestra director vs player in the orchestra thing, they don't necessary need to have the same set of skills, the director needs to have an overall view of things, the player needs to master a specific instrument. And this seems to be Kubrick’s case. He's pretty clearly INTJ. Making a movie like 2001 requires really having your stuff together. Kubrick isn't like that. Dick in his 1970s period. And chess is, by far, more an N thing than an S thing. v=QsSV6yZZIVkAlso, ultra-developed Ti can sometimes seem like Ni from an external perspective. They may not like doing it, which could be where his asshole attitude comes from, but capability. In Strangelove, I was dealing with the inherent irrationality in man that threatens to destroy him; that irrationality is with us as strongly today, and must be conquered. It's TJs rather than SPs who are seen as being responsible and in full control of everything like that. An ISTP who picks up a camera is also likely to be considered more "talented" than an INTJ who does, because photography is a very Se-heavy thing to be doing. Really there's no message or vision put forward with that movie, and even there's one, it's very subtle. And let's this, let's that. Yeah, good point Butterfly. What is the best option for the MBTI type of Stanley Kubrick? What about enneagram and other personality types?. People might claim Ti-dom detachment, but ISTP art is not really detached, since Se is physically direct in response, it's INTP art more likely to be that. What are you talking about. Funnily enough, I also know a really bookish ISTP. #idlebody Te is focused on efficiency, not Ti who's more individualistic and thus highly perfectionistic. , and my system tries to give some approximate answer to both. Similar kind of perfectionism, but a much more bussiness-like attitude with more focus on efficiency. Anyway, I get the impression that Kubrick wanted to be a film-maker all along, he just thought doing photography is a good way to start, because it helps with framing the scenes of a movie later, so it's good practice. "Replace "visual" with "graphic" ^_^@bobnickmad It's the visual definition of healthy Ni. v=FR-loS9MHww In his childhood, SK was playful and energetic, and also cerebral and analitycal. If you enjoyed this entry, find out about the personality types of Acting and Movie Industry characters list.. Te requires efficiency but Kubrick seems to sacrifice efficiency in favour of rigorous perfection. So, I can see a genius SP making very good use of its Ni, like in the case of Michelangelo and others. The 'fell in love with the stories'' in the context I think indicates that for him it's mainly a question of interest firs and foremost, rather than a more pre-well thought thing. Just answer the four letters. In making a movie, you don't need that, because you don't need to explain stuff, you need to show it. Keep reading to learn more about what goes into your Myers-Briggs personality type—and maybe discover what yours is.. edu/krb5476/wp-content/uploads/sites/8471/2014/04/etc_woody26_950. Ti can only grow by seeking out the unexplainable, thus increasing its learning. And it explains better shining Fi. I take hundreds when on vacation. In the deepest sense, I believe in man’s potential and in his capacity for progress. I think the frustration of looking for that quote messed me up or something. Reading it all, it seems that what matters for him foremost is ''accuracy''. Because of that you may say this person is N. This has nothing to do with IXTPs not being talented filmakers, but photography pure and alone. For example, I know a ISFP who is a voracious reader. it's a minor detail but it's very telling. Also agree with Scotty that Te doesn't seem fitting with Kubrick. Also Enneagram type can't explain away everything related to Ni dominance, an ISTP 5w4 might have more developed Ni and perhaps even a Ti-Ni loop but will still be Ti-Dom, and I don't see Kubrick as Ti-Dom. So there's bound to be plenty of high-concept segments ("let's do several layers of dreams with action scenes going on in all of them at the same time. Actually, I take my last comment back. But from interviews with him and people that worked with him, that's not Kubrick. There's so many different people who can be categorized as introverted, intuitive, thinking, and perceiving, and not all of them are awful at that kind of stuff. So all of that is purely anecdotal with possibility of error in perception. "I wanna know better how an SP and an NP would differ in how they approach film-making itself". His voice and spirit, I meant. Ti-dom but where is this Se. It's all so complicated with him. INTPs are logically through, but the kind of rigor that's helpful in putting theories together, it's not really what's helpful when it comes to putting huge production after huge production together, while maintaining your artistic independence. It's mostly about how unnatural and unaccomplished the relationship between Kidman and Cruise - in the movie - was portrayed. @bobnickmad "Kubrick // One-Point Perspective" https://vimeo. Well that makes it easier for me. Again, I'm thinking Michelangelo and people like that. So Kubrick being INTJ has strong Ti (6th). * Also it should go without saying that any comments of mine in disagreement with you aren't an attack on you. Sure, an INTJ could think like that but in the context of some greater concept for the movie where the scene it's relevant in the context of a the overall concept, for Kubrick the method is more down-to-the-top than top-to-bottom. @bobnickmad And it's amazingly stupid to say let's compare SP to NP or NT director because no one can tell you they are those types. The role of the director is to figure out how to put together the input of all those people, eg. Despite his perfectionism with every single aspect of his movies (more of a J trait, very common in INJ filmmakers like Cameron and Fincher and uncommon in ITPs like Eastwood and Woody ) which leads to aesthetically pleasing images, his films followed the same path of prioritising speculation. I think Se is more direct in effect, Se is like direct sensation, that is, ISP art leaves you a clear immediate impression. " or something like that. You're too easy to sway, which is a higher sin than having and ruling a personal stance like I do. Eyes wide shut is adapted from Schnitzler's Traumnovelle. It seems that he actually knew very well what he needed in his movies, which makes me think that the whole shooting a scene after scene might have been copying Bresson's method (IxTJ) whose scope is probably making the actors fully under his control like puppets, rather than him being P. Next time you try to be a smart-ass, make sure you're at least smart, otherwise you're just an ass. jpegYeah, he just moves from one hectic production to the next. He's going on about the fact that we're going to die and how religion can't do anything for us in a rather straightforward way. Did my video go over your head @bobnickmad. Welcome to MBTIBase - PersonalityBase, here you can learn about Stanley Kubrick MBTI type.. Just look at the words in the first 30 seconds of documentary Kubrick INTJ A life in pictures: https://www. It has nothing to do with Se. A lot of people were offended by the almost childish treatment of these heavy topics. And it's a very faithful rendition of Schnitzler's story too (unlike The Shining). specifically *because* they're "crackpot ideas" with no clear answer. IT LOOKS PHONY". And INFPs love jazz too. Even a S like movie such as Barry Lyndon (who he made because he couldn't make a movie about Napoleon), compare to your typical period movie, it feels somewhat disembodied. This is something you would expect more from an SP because they're more hands-on, but if Lynch is an NP, he was one really well learned in the more SP aspects of film-making, one usually leaves for others (thus being able to create such a visually accomplished movie like Eraserhead without a very large budget). "Oh and in my previous post when I was talking about Si and Te as a weakness for NPs, that's just for NFPs of course. No, it's not, it's independent of MBTI, the same way Enneagram is independent of MBTI. About the only factor at work each time is that I try not to repeat myself. You know the arguments are getting really good when we type based on laziness. OoooppsI hope you won't be mad at me, Bonita^^, but I think you are focusing on small details that could be connected to almost any type. That's something of a physical feat. I don't know for sure so please share your views. 4) You show clear bias against Ni in your second comment which I fail to understand. But the ISTP I know never takes photographs, literally never; doesn't even like to carry stuff around. I think talking about on which types are more likely to be photographers is getting us sidetracked, since it doesn't have much to do with Kubrick as a person. I know that Kubrick doesn't use introverted thinking. 6) I appreciate if your replies are devoid of sourness and concern with topic at hand. Nooo, but I've watched a ton of his movies, documentaries, read about his life, quotes, etc. And although it would logically make sense for the 3rd function to be stronger than the 6th function, many people have written about the phenomenon of having a strong/developed 6th function and relating strongly to descriptions of one's 6th function. *''that for him it's NOT the Ni idea/theme/concept that drives the movie''. I think STJ are more likely to be black-and-white due to Si-Fi but Ni-dominance can give plenty of ambiguity. NJ's are much more into pleasure reading than NP's from what I've seen. Arguments for INTJ because "not lazy" seem as bad as arguments for INTP because "genius". There's also the thing that when you need different skills in writing a book that's a SF masterpiece, and making a movie that's a SF masterpiece. I thought this is a bit random; but no, because then I found someone online saying the same about ISTPs, that they never take pics. the famous typewriter scene). @bob, what does being "good at your craft" or "craftsman" have to do with SP over NP. I agree with the perceiver arguments but I'm not seeing Se at all. Can't refind it. But reading for this ISFP has nothing to do with speculative thinking; it’s a compulsive activity, similar to physical exercise. Kubrick started as photographer, an excellent ont. I could see him as ISTP. Napoleon is a big historical figure and of universal interest. Photography as in taking pictures of your life to commemorate it, is a very Si thing, but that wasn't what he did. Don't become friends with anyone who has real power. 2001: A Space Odyssey it's an ''interactive movie''. Watch this, he is clearly INTP, Ti-Ne, intuitive, perceiving, however you want to look at it: https://www. Is it true that he wanted to make the best movie and every category. So, Ti and Se, and by the age of 19 he started reading books and develop his Ni. But what those three have in common that Kubrick does not is a down-to-earth, adaptive attitude and flexibility/openness to others' (valuable) modification of their vision. I don't pretend those quotes are conclusive, but together they show a certain direction that fits with arguments give below. I think Fullmetal Jacket is a good example, because it's a late period movie, yet devoid of most of the high caliber Ni we find in his golden period (Strangelove, 2001, Clockwork, Orange). v=dobNhGq2RkEI think his most Ti-dom movie might be Barry Lyndon. Look at Wong Kar-Wai films. I have a theory that the 6th function serves as a sort of "wall" between the top and bottom halves of the function stack, and as such it sometimes takes over the third function's duties. I've read about it and it's complicated. It's interesting that a movie director can be a ''Jack of all trades, master of none'' type of person, while a cinematographer, set designer etc. Just listen to it and change your votes:. I went on the INTJ reddit and found some morally ambiguous INTJs. Kubrick: "We’re fortunate, in a way, that our body, and the fulfillment of its needs and functions, plays such an imperative role in our lives; this physical shell creates a buffer between us and the mind-paralyzing realization that only a few years of existence separate birth from death. And his obsession with Napoleon the ENTJ. Proceeding, his movies are very heavy on Se (it's all about the visuals) with lots of Ni-type mysticism like the monolith in 2001. Though, it was interesting; I'm honoured to have crossed the sword with you gentlemen. It does look amazing. I had this idea about 2001 and wanted to share. @gink, good that you brought up the photography thing. For example David Lynch almost feels improvised a lot of the time whereas Tim Burton movies are usually very coherent. doesn't seem much concerned with message of his films. You are getting smaller and smaller, I guess my INTJ arguments are winning lolISTPs don't give a fuck about emotions unless it affects them personally. Kubrick also makes it clear in interviews that the point of 2001 is that is a visual experience that is supposed to have a visceral affect on the one watching it, not to explain stuff to the audience. Not only with his movies, but in his photographic works. I think an NP would be bored thinking about things that are as incredibly nonsensical as what you describe all day long. They may not like doing it, which could be where his asshole attitude comes from, but capability. The problem with this argumentation is the ‘on average’. ) in spamming. I have in my computer, but I can’t find it online, so I’ll have to describe it. After watching 2001 you remain perplexed, which seems to be more INP art. Hmmmm, I've never really thought about this, but it's an interesting question. Just look at Ridley Scott's (ISTP director) wife. He's also a pretty cynical, pragmatic workaholic who plays clarinet as a hobby and believes in Freudian psychoanalysis (Tertiary Ni). Check it out, Alex. Look, everyone can make a movie provided they have the ambition, work ethic and skill necessary. Anyway, maybe that's one difference: both types would relay on deviations from what was intended in the beginning, but an NP work would carry its improvisational nature on its face, while an SP work will end up looking effortlesly coherent, like giving the impression there was no improvisation in the first place. On the other hand you will likely find plenty of INTJs who are not interested in photography. I disagree with you on just a couple of instances otherwise I admire most of what you post here. A true master. @bobnickmad Can I call you bobovska from now on. Intuitives focus on a more abstract level of thinking; they are more interested in theories, patterns, and explanations. They are often more concerned with the future than the present and are often described as creative. Photography is NOT Se. ARTICLE: http://leontsao. I know an INTP afraid of flying. Obvious Ni is obvious, cunt. It's similar to Michelangelo style, such as God pointing his finger at Adam. '';''“A film is - or should be - more like music than like fiction. ISTP is a very directive type, so ccan look J, and the Ti-Ni loop can make them look N. And I agree with impecable: INTJs (but also ISTPs) are more driven and focused than INTPs. have you ever met true ISTPs in REAL life. The happy ending of this movie, which otherwise has a Christmas setting to stress the family theme, ends with Kidman saying, "Do you wanna fuck. " This seems like more of an xxTP thing to say because an xxTJ would be more intent on gaining personal power (Te) at the expense of others (Fi), whereas an xxTP would be more suspicious of power (Ti) and would warn others about the dangers of power (Fe). I mean, I can't see Eraserhead being done like that. On the other hand, you can gradually see him getting more and more socially concerned/emotional - ending with Eyes Wide Shut which is about a man trying out different forms of love, in the end finding out that what he knows (normal marriage) is best. Photography is totally static. One's attitude to photography shows their preference for intuitive or sensing perception preference. Moving beyond the anecdotal, I think using someone's bookishness as evidence for a particular typing is circumstantial at best. I think an INTJ would make a more 'forceful' in meaning movie than that. Childish about love/human relationships. Maybe we make too much of a case for how Ni should be presented in an artists work, rather than look at the artists overall goal -not by movie case-by-case but his all work. INTPs aren't able to solve all kinds of difficult problems. I've never been bookish, am over 19, and I'm an INP. Not the ''depth'',''meaning'' and stuff like that, which is frankly very subjective and can make us look silly, but the way they bring all those elements that make a movie together in a whole. So, I guess he's Thinker-Aesthete-Sage. A lot of people think that Ti-doms like to think in terms of algebra and stuff, but that kind of pure logic became very boring to me at a young age, and I soon became more fascinated by things that my Ti CAN'T easily explain. The reason is that there is no Fi in his films. : that person is good at this, this one is good at this, together they can help me create this scene; that is: to see how all the pieces fit best together. "mechanical nature of MBTI" HAHAAAAAA True INFPs don't see MBTI as mechanical, fake INFP. :P He's just straightforwardly telling exactly what happened. You are in the best place to test MBTI and learn what type Stanley Kubrick likely is!. For this person, it’s not interesting to think extensively about what was said, to extract meaning of the book, to reach ‘the point’. A movie director is ultimately a leader kind of person. What I mean by this, it's that it's not a complete movie, but the skeleton of a movie. Didn't read through all of the discussion so far, but I think Kubrick is ISTP. I know one ESFP afraid of flying and he has beard and bushy eyebrows just like Stanley had so I think ESFP. If you disagree with any. Compare with an INTJ like, say, David Fincher. XDNietzsche is the posterboy of morally ambiguos INTJ for example. INTJs highly appreciate intelligence in a partner more than looks: "why you fell in love with your wife: she's intelligent". Yes, I agree too. But he's a P type anyway, so there's no point. That is, you're given some basic element and you can make your own movie out of it. This discussion is a muddle now. #Bonita, No, I just didn't find it very helpful, sorry. But then at the same time, I don't know about INTJ. Instead it's all about how the scenes are constructed. Even if not directly tested, public voting can provide good accuracy regarding Stanley Kubrick Myers-Briggs and personality type!. MBTI is not politics or religion though. About your copy/pasta:. I haven't yet worked out how dom-tert loops would occur in this system, but I plan to develop the theory further. " Yes, exactly. Who knows, maybe among INTPs, there are some who have a very strong J side developed and are much better at dealing with huge projects, but they would have to overcome many of the typical problems that come with being an INP: too many ideas but little focus. All of these things makes it hard to take anything you say seriously. N types, on the other hand, face activities in an opposite way. Some people use the "coldness" of his films as evidence that he's INTJ, but I'd argue that his films are cold in a Ti way, not a Te way. This in itself I think is suggestive of the same kind of detached pragmatism you see in your ISTP friend not getting the point of taking pictures. < I guess NTP directors, who have Ti, are a bit better than NFPs directors in seeing things through. By contrast Kubrick is much more rigid, inflexible, and symbolic/mystical to the point that he's not down-to-earth or realistic, in fact he said magical realism, mythology, and fantasy capture his sense of reality better than realism does. But I even knew an ISxJ with whom I could discuss about all kinds of nerdy, science stuff, so it's impossible to have an ISTP, who are Ti-doms, really into that kind of stuff. But a recognition of insanity doesn’t imply a celebration of it – nor a sense of despair and futility about the possibility of curing it. "This discussion is a muddle now. A lot of people forget that despite his perfectionism, he liked to take his time on projects and not rush things. Just wanted to add my sweet discovery. He's definitely an INTP. ST-s are the best at dealing with whatever material resources they have, among the NTs, ENTJ succed as well but INTPs are far from it. :( But if what you describe is accurate and there are no contradicting signs of INTJness, it's a good point in favor of ISTP, though not a dealbreaker because young children tend not to embody a single type very strongly since their brain is still maturing. If anything your first interpretation makes more sense (it being more of a J thing), but Kubrick is clearly intuitive in so many ways, and also a low conscientiousness guyThe eternal back and forth of this site, goes back to ISTP. The question is if he is more S or N, and more P or J. Kubrick was obviously a very strong introvert, and he could be an INTJ whose Te has taken on traits of Ti, or an INTP whos Ne has taken on traits of Ni. If man really sat back and thought about his impending termination, and his terrifying insignificance and aloneness in the cosmos, he would surely go mad, or succumb to a numbing sense of futility. I give up on you. They get angry and demonic but they always keep cool no matter what, unless they have a gun near lol. I could go on. The same way Lynch is Dreamer-Aesthete-Sage I guess. Like bobnickmad said, having aesthetic/visual interests doesn't necessarily preclude one type over the other. There i said it. To me, the only real immorality is that which endangers the species; and the only absolute evil, that which threatens its annihilation. Several years ago I downloaded a pdf with some of these works and there is one picture there that stuck with me over the years. So, either we sub-estimate how intellectual and imaginative an ISTP can be, or we sub-estimate how an INTP with good leadership qualities + technical knowledge looks like. This discussion has turned into reiterations at this point. There's no immediate impression, the point is to raise in the viewer lots of questions about what is that he's seeing. About Eastwood, keep in mind that as ISTP as he is, he doesn't relate to the cow-boy caricature he played in movies, and was interested with making movies more spiritual and meaningful than that. Your way of arguing however insists that all creative types must be Ne types, which is true in many instances but not all. And it's not a joke because I've spent my time thinking about it and taking my time posting my thoughts here; briefs but mine after all. Whatever his type, he remains one of the most important geniuses in film-making, and an example of someone who created worlds, not just movies. It's dangerous. He's a very hard case. Saying that photography and distaste for reading books points to Se is not a very good argument. His characters will cheat a lot, but have this one person they keep coming back to or something. Then Kubrick placed the caption “How a monkey looks to people” in the first picture and placed “and how people look to a monkey” in the second. My point was that he was too practical at gathering and managing resources to make the grand scale movies he did in order to be INTP. I've written before here why I think Kubrick is INTJ. Honestly I'm not sure if you're serious most of the time myself. This ISFP reads only for the pleasure of briefly picturing the images literally described in the book. INTPs may be more through when it comes to theories because they're theory first, but INTJ are probably more through when it comes to making their dreams a reality. But look at this vid: https://www. *that for him it's the Ni idea/theme/concept that drives the movie but Ni adds to itDidn't find that one but I found some to go somewhat in that direction:''I can't honestly say what led me to make any of my films. Do ISTPs behave like that. So, Lynch could still be an NP even if they both make very well crafted movies, but just one who really learned his craft. And what if we talked about Fi vs Fe with Kubrick. This might explain why many directors who otherwise seem rather clearly, imo, to be INTP (like Peter Jackson and Christopher Nolan) are still "a bit too warm to be INTPs" just like FP directors (like David Lynch and Nicolas Winding Refn) may seem a bit "too fierce" to be INFPs - successful people are usually very balanced examples of their type. Clarke's (INTP) novelization, but it's not considered the same story by Kubrick. But depending on the type they'll approach movie making differently. bobnickmad: I agree with most of what you said, except for: "INTP have a kind of strong grid through which they asses the truth quality of ideas (think Einstein) meanwhile Kubrick was interested in stuff like whether ghosts exists and all kind of crackpot ideas exposed by the kind of people who wear tin-foil hats. I don't think you have to strain your brain too much to figure out that an introverted intuitive (IN) is likely to show usage of introverted intuition (Ni). In a way, you could say that Thinker-Aesthete-Sage explains why Kubrick made the movies he made, while ISTP explains how he made them. 2001 A Space Odyssey was like a anthropological study on mankind and human behavior. He makes his film crew and actors redo scenes about a hundred times, he makes them do everything the long and hard way. See, this is why this movie rules. But a lot of that could be to something I've noticed in how the E/I nature of auxiliary functions can partially flip in stronger cases of E or I. He had obsessive compulsive disorder, wanting things to be done over and over again until he felt they were perfectly organized which again hints at Te. But in those 19 years, he was doing intuitive photography, exploring the world of intuitive modern art, and playing the intuitive game of chess, and like a lot of INT moreso than ISTP, a social outcast. And a few ENFP who seem to use Fe as much as Fi, but again clear perceivers. For me INTJ are Ni-Te-Ti and INTP Ti-Ne-Ni, so having strong Te and Ti characteristics fits INTJ. I'll give him that he has very strong Ni, but I think it's easy to underestimate how intuitive a well-read Sensor in their 40s-50s can sound. There could be cases -especially if we talk about visual artists where Ni is more useful than Ne- where Ne and Ni might start to be indistinguishable. But yeah, different types would be into photography for different reason. Because STs are more resource oriented, while INTPs are ideas oriented (ENTJ would be the ideal combination of both), and in order to make a movie like 2001 you need to be resource oriented, that is, making best use of the budget and resolving technical problems as they appear. Also, Woody and Clint are ISTP which is why their focus is on aesthetic, so I don't think that goes against INTP. You could think ISTPs because of Se would like it, but no; they don't have that drive at all. The point is, just because someone is ISP it doesn't mean he can make conscious use of its intuition, just that he's over the average. From what I can tell there is very, very little sincere emotion in his movies. In writing the kind of books that Arthus C Clarke (INTx, not sure if INTP or INTJ) writes, you make your world believable by writing in depth on the kind of implications of the technology etc. 5) On topic: I would like to see how you define Ne against Ni and how you see Kubrick as an Ne type and not an Ni type. But I'm not sure, it could be a 5w4 trait. As insane as all this sounds I wanted to post it. he's like the perfect man for me, all 4 INXXs blended in one perfect human being. He has made about a movie every year since the 60s-70s. There's also this subtle irony going through all of the movie. Also, because they have chaotic life INTPs aren't give much credit for, but there are also INTJ with chaotic life for the simple reason that they find every-day businesses platitudes. I'm starting to appreciate the ISTP argument a bit more from a certain functions perspective (one which I don't agree with, but the reasoning is sound enough once you start there)@Ventus, I do think that his "directive" style (not directorial really) leans to J (not ISTP) Which is why I can't say he's a sure INTP. It's just me with my mental disorders. The more I read about Kubrick, the more INTJ he gets. And it's all about trying to make the movie as accurate as possible, over being concerned with an overall view point. Sometimes I think you're just really young though.